On point Wamuyu, you spoke like 5 Million Kenyans.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Wamuyu Gatheru <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk">wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>Perhaps consumers can claim that they dont care who develops their solutions, but local enterpreneurs and those working for public/Kenyan interest must care. </div>
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<div>We must be wary of those who keep sending pessimistic messages. The first battle is fought in the mind. I recall years ago sitting in a meeting at a home of the then Kenya World Bank country economist. In the meeting was a person who would later become the Governor of the Central Bank. The Governor to-be empatically spoke of people not realising what it took to grow an orange that could produce packaged orange juice - it was an impossibility for Kenya in his view. Kenyan farmers were toying with the idea of replicating <i>Ceres</i> (from SA) the first packaged real fruit juice Kenyans had seen.</div>
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<div>When I walk in a supermarket today, and see all the Kenyan fruit juice varieties, I am reminded that we must listen to our positive selves. I dont think Ceres survived the Kenya juice onslaught.</div>
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<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br></div><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, 23 September, 2010 11:54:13<div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> Edwin<br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System</span></p></div>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="MsoNormal">Robert, I think you missed my point. <br><br>I wear clothes by Kenyan fashion designers, shoes made locally, use mugs made here, and I have had all my office furniture made on Ngong Road. <br>
<br>If my locally made furniture is a bit out of shape because the wood wasn't dried properly, no harm done. If a trading system messes up, potentially massive harm done. <br><br>I recall discussions a week or two ago, on this very list, about mobile operators' billing and other systems, and how people got very worked up that this wasn't working properly. And rightly so. How is this different from a trading system? <br>
<br>In conclusion: I honestly don't care where the system comes from. I need it to work. That's the beauty of a global economy: you have the choice to buy whatever works best for you. If Kenyan companies compete on that level: excellent. If they don't - I'll buy from someone else. <br>
<br>Andrea </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 23 September 2010 10:23, robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain, complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and finally burn it at the stake.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President, "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU".</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price.</p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs.</p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Andrea Bohnstedt <<a href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41</span></p></div>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="MsoNormal"><br>Hey all, <br><br>Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers. <br>
<br>I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable. <br>
<br>Have a lovely Thursday, <br>Andrea </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <<a href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 23 September 2010 08:26<br><b>To:</b> Edith Adera</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts.</p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted.</p></div>
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