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<DIV>I think the proposed Constitution, on any issue of particular interest to any Kenyan, can provoke concern. My issue for example is Executive/Presidential control. I note for example that although freedom of information is provided for as a right, no legislation has been prescribed. As I mentioned earlier, the President will still have a free hand with the police. However, when I step back and look at the broad thrust of the document particularly on the separation of powers in the arms of government (and the independent Commissions), I conclude that overall the President will have to be a lot more accountable than he is today. So I prefer not to look over, around, under, within, between and behind clauses to confirm my fears of dictatorship.</DIV>
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<DIV>On homosexual relationships I think the Committee of Experts was clear that they cannot legislate matters where there is wide disagreement in Kenyan society. Although the homosexual community and rights advocates may have tried and will try in the future to legalise gay marriages, the Committee unequivocally took the position of the majority. However, the Committee is clear that no one should be discriminated against or persecuted for any reason - including homosexuality. Homosexuals are human beings too and we do not want to see them bloodied by extremists and other fundamentalist people.</DIV>
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<DIV>Please note, as with abortion, no society can legislate against these things. When one has an abortion or keeps a same sex partner, it does not infringe on the rights of anyone else. So the choice is a private matter that laws for or against can do little to change. </DIV>
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<DIV>As a Christian, I will be happy to see more more faith, prayer and love and less activism in our Christian community. Those are the primary tools for us in creating the societies we seek. The law however important can never be our primary tool. We should also be equally outraged by extreme poverty, inequality and corruption that the proposed Constitution is trying to eliminate - I find that we Christians are overly interested in sexual sins more than other sins.</DIV>
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<DIV>regards,</DIV>
<DIV>Wamuyu</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Anne Mbugua <anmbugua@musyimilaw.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> kikuyusforchange@googlegroups.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, 28 July, 2010 18:55:32<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> my concerns<BR></FONT><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Book Antiqua" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'">I have been very burdened by the gay rights debate. Can somebody help? Here are my observations.</SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><B><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">Article 45 – The Family</SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">Kenyans had asked during the constitution-making process that there is a clear prohibition of same sex marriages, as a way to defend our families. </SPAN></FONT></LI></UL>
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">Both the Bomas and Wako drafts therefore had a clear provision stating, “<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">A PERSON SHALL NOT MARRY ANOTHER PERSON OF THE SAME SEX.</SPAN></I>” Why was this lost in the Harmonization process? </SPAN></FONT></LI></UL>
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: red; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"> PCK</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"> states in Article 45 (2) that; “<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">every person has the right to marry a person of the opposite sex, based on the free consent of the parties.”</SPAN></I> It just </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">declares</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"> a right but does not bar other unions. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">So it is true that gays as of today cannot marry. But can they have unions awaiting declaration of rights by the court or embracement of
the same through treaties and conventions?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"></SPAN></FONT></LI></UL>
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: #33cccc; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=#33cccc size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">There is also no definition of MARRIAGE.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"></SPAN></FONT></LI></UL>
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">Article 19 (3) states that the rights and fundamental freedoms in the bill of rights<FONT color=red><SPAN style="COLOR: red"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#ff6600><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">do not exclude other rights and freedoms not in the bill of rights</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=red><SPAN style="COLOR: red"> </SPAN></FONT>but recognized or conferred by law except to the extent that they are inconsistent with this chapter. That means we can declare or acknowledge other RIGHTS.</SPAN></FONT></LI></UL>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face=Wingdings color=fuchsia size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: fuchsia; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings"><SPAN>§<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">Would sexual minorities rights be inconsistent? In my view NO! Article 27 forbids discrimination on <FONT color=#ff6600><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600">ANY GROUND</SPAN></FONT>. So is sexual orientation! Sub article 5 states that a person shall not discriminate on the grounds specified or <B><FONT color=#666699><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; COLOR: #666699">contemplated </SPAN></FONT></B>in clause (4). The current constitution states all the ground. PCK has <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">included </SPAN></B>all grounds! This is a very
fundamental departure. I agree that nobody should be discriminated on any ground. I question is, do Kenyans understand that this will capture all grounds including sexual orientation? If they did and still voted for it, that is ok. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=fuchsia size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: fuchsia; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face=Wingdings color=fuchsia size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: fuchsia; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings"><SPAN>§<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">In article 20 the courts have been empowered to <FONT color=purple><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">develop the law to the extent that it does not give effects to a right or fundamental freedom.</SPAN></FONT> Same article states that in<FONT color=fuchsia><SPAN style="COLOR: fuchsia"> interpreting the Bill of Rights</SPAN></FONT>, a court or tribunal or other authority shall </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=fuchsia size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: fuchsia; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">promote the values that underlie an open and
democratic society… </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">Do Kenyans know what is an open society?<FONT color=fuchsia><SPAN style="COLOR: fuchsia"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: red; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">Article 56 mandates the states to put in place affirmative action programs to ensure that minorities and marginalized groups develop their cultural values, language and PRACTICES. Minority groups are not defined. However, marginalized group is defined in article 260 page 171 to mean a group of people who, </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=#33cccc><SPAN style="COLOR: #33cccc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">because of laws and practices before</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">, on, or after the effective date, </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=#33cccc><SPAN style="COLOR: #33cccc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">were or are disadvantaged by discrimination </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Gill Sans MT" color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">on one or more of the grounds in Article 27(4) . Article 27 (4) forbids discrimination of a person on <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Any Ground</SPAN></B> including those stated and those contemplated. The ones stated in this article are not all inclusive. Among the relief the court can give in Article 23 is</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">DECLARATION OF RIGHTS.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"></SPAN></FONT></LI></UL>
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: red; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=red size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">The manner, in which Article 45 has been worded, opens a loophole through which </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">the</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"> Courts could interpret the constitution in light of international practice, and recognize sexual minority’s rights. Note that article 27 (1) states that </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">EVERY PERSON IS EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW AND HAS THE RIGHT TO EQUAL PROTECTION AND EQUAL </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">BENEFIT</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"> BEFORE THE LAW. Exact clause used in South African ca</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">se of MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS VS FOURIE</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"> through which the gays right to marry was pronounced. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"></SPAN></FONT></LI></UL>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=red size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Gill Sans MT" color=#993366 size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'">How about international treaties and conventions. Are there some that as of today recognize the gay rights? </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Gill Sans MT"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Gill Sans MT'"> Have you read the Hague Marriage Convention? What treaties will be there after august 2010? <FONT color=#993366><SPAN style="COLOR: #993366">How about in 2025? 2040 etc</SPAN></FONT>. <FONT color=#993366><SPAN style="COLOR: #993366">Would we want </SPAN></FONT>all those future ones ratified without representation<FONT color=#993366><SPAN style="COLOR: #993366"> to become part of the law of Kenya UNDER THIS CONSTITIUTION?</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=#993366 size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'">The family clause falls under the protected clauses. If amended is to be done, it must go through a referendum. Note that amendments </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Book Antiqua"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'">under article 257 <FONT color=#993366><SPAN style="COLOR: #993366">can only be after 2012 when counties are constituted.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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