<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Daktari,<br><br>Am a little confused...how did the Bill reach that stage when not hinged on a sound policy? Just wondering aloud.<br><br>Nyaki<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> elizaslider@yahoo.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, July 27, 2010 11:23:06 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs
National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill?<br></font><br>
Hon. Rege,<br>Indeed the AG cleared the Bill only to find out that the policy that<br>developed it was not sufficient. We quickly developed the policy and sent<br>it to Cabinet. It is waiting to go through the Cabinet Sub Committee<br>Chaired by the PM before getting to Full Cabinet.<br><br>I know you can push it through from where it is at the moment.<br><br><br>Regards<br><br><br>Ndemo.<br><br><br><br><br><br>> Dear Colleagues,<br>> I have been a way from civilization, campaigning for the "Yes" katiba for<br>> sometime now. In fact I am not supposed to be in Nairobi City today but<br>> came back for the IGF.<br>> Engineer John Kariuki, please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding<br>> that it would be prudent to have FOI Act before the Data Protection one?<br>> Two weeks ago I ran into the AG in Parliament. I asked him if the FOI has<br>> been cleared and ready for presentation on the floor of the
House. His<br>> answer was that the document is with the Ministry. Dr Ndemo, please<br>> advise.<br>><br>> Kind regards<br>> Hon. James Rege, MP, Karachuonyo<br>><br>> Sent from my iPad<br>><br>> On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Walubengo J <<a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> @ Ndemo,<br>><br>> I hear you. We must also find a way to educate our Cabinet that the phrase<br>> "1 day in Politics is a long time" does apply more in ICTs than in<br>> politics...If they endorse an ICT bill discussed four years ago, the ICT<br>> terrain would have changed significantly to warrant a review of the<br>> earlier discussions...<br>><br>> walu.<br>><br>><br>> --- On Sat, 7/24/10, <a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a
ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft<br>> DataProtectionBill?<br>> To: "Walubengo J" <<a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br>> Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 4:03 PM<br>><br>> Walibengo,<br>> I am equallly frustrated because it takes at
least four years to go<br>> through Cabinet, AG's office and Parliament. These are processes beyond<br>> my control.<br>><br>> Iy you recall, we merged the two FOIs, the Prof. Nyongo one and our own<br>> draft. We indeed agreed that I send to Cabinet. I have promised<br>> practically anyone I meet that the bill will soon be out of Cabinet soon.<br>> I am confident that it will happen one day since FOI for example is an<br>> agenda 4 item.<br>><br>> Regards<br>><br>><br>><br>> Ndemo.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>> Bwana PS,<br>>><br>>> true that these drafts were debated and i recall attending the forum at<br>>> KSPS. Problem is this was a while back (2006-7) but the problem has<br>>> always<br>>> been that you never get to know what part of non-government stakeholders<br>>> contributions were taken on board (went to the cabinet) and which
parts<br>>> were ignored.<br>>><br>>> Eventually ofcourse one will get to know the details when the Bill gets<br>>> to<br>>> the floor of Parliament. And then the real challenge starts in that if<br>>> other stakeholders think that what is before parliament is not<br>>> "inclusive"<br>>> enough, they will try to influence MPs to change it accordingly. At<br>>> that<br>>> level ONLY the big "influential" stakeholders (read: donors/private<br>>> sector) can get the attention of the MPs; let alone their "buy-in" to<br>>> make<br>>> changes (read: forget our famous wanjiku's input at this level)<br>>><br>>> Finally, even if the big stakeholders do get their changes in, if at all<br>>> the Executive feels that those changes significantly alter their<br>>> original<br>>> policy objectives, they can always play the red card (veto) and take
the<br>>> whole process back to square1.<br>>><br>>> So in short, my submission is that it is always cheaper to build and<br>>> probably more importantly confirm consensus at the beginning of the<br>>> policy<br>>> process rather than towards the end.<br>>><br>>> walu.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> --- On Sat, 7/24/10, <a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft<br>>> DataProtectionBill?<br>>> To: <a
ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>>> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:17 AM<br>>><br>>> We debated the FOI and Data Protection at School of Monetary studies.<br>>> We<br>>> shall as public have another go at it when it is published and gone<br>>> through the first reading in Parliament.<br>>><br>>> Ndemo.<br>>><br>>><br>>> Sent from my BlackBerry®<br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: David Otwoma <<a ymailto="mailto:otwomad@gmail.com" href="mailto:otwomad@gmail.com">otwomad@gmail.com</a>><br>>> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=<a ymailto="mailto:jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
href="mailto:jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:52:40<br>>> To: <<a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data<br>>> ProtectionBill?<br>>><br>>> Dear Edith,<br>>><br>>> Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in<br>>> Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued<br>>> by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to<br>>> Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per<br>>> Parliamentary
procedures.<br>>><br>>> Enjoy your Furahi day all.<br>>><br>>> Kind regards<br>>><br>>> David<br>>><br>>> On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <<a ymailto="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke" href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>>>> Dr Ndemo,<br>>>><br>>>> Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a<br>>>> participatory<br>>>> process followed to draft it?<br>>>><br>>>> Edith<br>>>><br>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>> From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=<a ymailto="mailto:idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=<a ymailto="mailto:idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On<br>>>>
Behalf<br>>>> Of <a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a><br>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:03 AM<br>>>> To: Edith Adera<br>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data<br>>>> ProtectionBill?<br>>>><br>>>> The draft bill is in Cabinet.<br>>>><br>>>> Ndemo.<br>>>><br>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry(r)<br>>>><br>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>> From: Walubengo J <<a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br>>>> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=<a ymailto="mailto:jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010
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