<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">@ Ndemo,<br><br>I hear you. We must also find a way to educate our Cabinet that the phrase "1 day in Politics is a long time" does apply more in ICTs than in politics...If they endorse an ICT bill discussed four years ago, the ICT terrain would have changed significantly to warrant a review of the earlier discussions...<br><br>walu.<br><br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <i><bitange@jambo.co.ke></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill?<br>To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com><br>Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br>Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 4:03
PM<br><br><div class="plainMail">Walibengo,<br>I am equallly frustrated because it takes at least four years to go<br>through Cabinet, AG's office and Parliament. These are processes beyond<br>my control.<br><br>Iy you recall, we merged the two FOIs, the Prof. Nyongo one and our own<br>draft. We indeed agreed that I send to Cabinet. I have promised<br>practically anyone I meet that the bill will soon be out of Cabinet soon. <br>I am confident that it will happen one day since FOI for example is an<br>agenda 4 item.<br><br>Regards<br><br><br><br>Ndemo.<br><br><br><br><br>> Bwana PS,<br>><br>> true that these drafts were debated and i recall attending the forum at<br>> KSPS. Problem is this was a while back (2006-7) but the problem has always<br>> been that you never get to know what part of non-government stakeholders<br>> contributions were taken on board (went to the cabinet) and which parts<br>> were
ignored.<br>><br>> Eventually ofcourse one will get to know the details when the Bill gets to<br>> the floor of Parliament. And then the real challenge starts in that if<br>> other stakeholders think that what is before parliament is not "inclusive"<br>> enough, they will try to influence MPs to change it accordingly. At that<br>> level ONLY the big "influential" stakeholders (read: donors/private<br>> sector) can get the attention of the MPs; let alone their "buy-in" to make<br>> changes (read: forget our famous wanjiku's input at this level)<br>><br>> Finally, even if the big stakeholders do get their changes in, if at all<br>> the Executive feels that those changes significantly alter their original<br>> policy objectives, they can always play the red card (veto) and take the<br>> whole process back to square1.<br>><br>> So in short, my submission is that it is always cheaper to build and<br>>
probably more importantly confirm consensus at the beginning of the policy<br>> process rather than towards the end.<br>><br>> walu.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --- On Sat, 7/24/10, <a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft<br>> DataProtectionBill?<br>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a
ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:17 AM<br>><br>> We debated the FOI and Data Protection at School of Monetary studies. We<br>> shall as public have another go at it when it is published and gone<br>> through the first reading in Parliament.<br>><br>> Ndemo.<br>><br>><br>> Sent from my BlackBerry®<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: David Otwoma <<a ymailto="mailto:otwomad@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=otwomad@gmail.com">otwomad@gmail.com</a>><br>> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=<a ymailto="mailto:jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:52:40<br>> To: <<a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke"
href="/mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data<br>> ProtectionBill?<br>><br>> Dear Edith,<br>><br>> Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in<br>> Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued<br>> by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to<br>> Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per<br>> Parliamentary procedures.<br>><br>> Enjoy your Furahi day all.<br>><br>> Kind regards<br>><br>> David<br>><br>> On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <<a ymailto="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke"
href="/mc/compose?to=eadera@idrc.or.ke">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>>> Dr Ndemo,<br>>><br>>> Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a<br>>> participatory<br>>> process followed to draft it?<br>>><br>>> Edith<br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=<a ymailto="mailto:idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=<a ymailto="mailto:idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On<br>>> Behalf<br>>> Of <a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a><br>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:03 AM<br>>> To: Edith Adera<br>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions<br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data<br>>> ProtectionBill?<br>>><br>>> The draft bill is in Cabinet.<br>>><br>>> Ndemo.<br>>><br>>> Sent from my BlackBerry(r)<br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: Walubengo J <<a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br>>> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=<a ymailto="mailto:jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:57:59<br>>> To: <<a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
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