Dear Listers,<br><br>Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to a boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say? Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the discussion is open<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Barrack Otieno <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Thanks Walu for providing insight in so far as capacity building is concerned. Grace, your compliments are appreciated, i would also like to acknowledge the fact that you ably represented the youth in the last IGF at Sharm El Sheikh as one of the panelists in the Social Networking session. We shall be discussing e crimes, privacy and Data Security on day 6 and your input is welcome.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Grace Bomu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nmutungu@gmail.com" target="_blank">nmutungu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Dear All, <br>Let me start by congratulating the choice of moderators for this year. It is heartening to see the youth in action because today is the leadership platform promised to us yesterday. I hope the discussions shall be as interactive as in the past. <br>
<br>I believe we need the Kenya IGF as a learning, lobbying process. While I cannot say the duration it should go on for, for sure it is a current need, and we should keep having it as long as the need exists. <br><br>Looking at the suggested topics and those that were discussed last year, it is apparent that the issue of (internet) <b>rights </b>keeps coming up. I hope that since it is a cross cutting issue, we shall discuss it in more detail and even add a voice to the main IGF on these issues. <br>
<br>Looking forward. <br>Regards, <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div>On 5 July 2010 15:32, Solomon Mburu Kamau <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com" target="_blank">solo.mburu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On 5 July 2010 14:39, Judy Okite <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:judyokite@gmail.com" target="_blank">judyokite@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Thank you, Gentlemen,<div><br></div><div>However, my question still remains, does or should KI-IGF have a stipulated mandate/time...where its tasks can be evaluated? has it been instrumental in achieving something to/for the stipulated Multi-stakeholders mentioned?</div>
<div><br></div><div>can K-IGF be part of Kenya's vision 2030?</div><div><br></div><div>????</div><div><br></div></blockquote></div><div><span style="font-family: georgia,serif;">Interesting thought here. KIGF's mandate should go beyond the EAIGF and as you've suggested, be part of Vision 2030, since this is the only document that has long term priorities for making Kenya a middle level society by 2030, or earlier, of course, unless, politicians mutilate it as they did with our beloved proposed new constitution of Kenya.</span><br style="font-family: georgia,serif;">
<span style="font-family: georgia,serif;">In addition, what does the East African Community Protocol have in store for the EAIGF? I see situations where we can exploit opportunities for strengthening the forum in line with the protocol for the betterment of the citizenry. I wouldn't like to believe that the Protocol is just limited to products and not services!</span> <br>
</div><div><div></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div></div><div>your thoughts are welcomed and appreciated.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Kind Regards,<br>
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On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com" target="_blank">solo.mburu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div><div></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On 5 July 2010 14:18, Barrack Otieno <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Thank you for raising this interesting perspective Judy. In my humble opinion there is a local perspective to Internet Governance Issues and a Global Perspective to the same. The Local initiative is not tied to the global one and i suppose this might give us some leeway to review whether we need to continue with it or not. In my opinion, i do feel with or without the global initiative we have to carry on with our local version of the Internet Governance Forum. I might not have an authoritative opinion in so far as Internet usage statistics are concerned but as far as i know we still have less than ten million Internet users which leads me to ask the question why? to attempt to answer myself i will attempt to identify the various constituencies on the Internet<br>
Children<br>Youth<br>Small and Medium Enterprises<br>Banks<br>Academia<br>Technical Community <br>Governmnet<br>all this are sources of income for the governmnet and if we are to grow our GDP it is imperative that we get all this stakeholders together and identify their priorities in so far as Internet Usage is Concerned. </blockquote>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Why should education be expensive with e-learning?, why should healthcare be costly with e-health, why should banking be costly with e-banking?</blockquote>
</div><div><br><span style="font-family: georgia,serif;">It think the main issue here is the classified into two aspects: the willing buyer versus the willing seller (as-is) and the imposed buyer.</span><br style="font-family: georgia,serif;">
<span style="font-family: georgia,serif;">Logically, the reason as to why we find anything e-something is costly than physical appearance, is because the society has not fully appreciated and acknowledged the need for adapting to change. </span><br style="font-family: georgia,serif;">
<span style="font-family: georgia,serif;">In essence, mass education can work well in changing the mindset. </span><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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, i hope this makes a case for the vailidity of the Kenya IGF forum, differing perspectives are invited though :-)<div><div></div><div><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Judy Okite <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:judyokite@gmail.com" target="_blank">judyokite@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Dear Barrack,All, <div><br></div><div>thank you for this introduction and I look forward to these deliberations, however my question is </div><div><br></div><div>"how long is the mandate for the Kenya IGF?"</div>
<div><br></div><div> this year's focus on the global event is reviewing their 5year mandate and look at its possible extension and why.....having borrowed the 'not a decision making ,model' from the global event, are we looking at a possible time lapse as well?</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind Regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>Dear Listers,<br><br>Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues.<br>
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