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<DIV>Still trying to see the link btwn the proposed constitution and ICT. I know there is but your discourse into abortion and kadhi's courts will surely get us into endless murky waters...</DIV>
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<DIV>If we have to talk constitution, then maybe provide the link with ICT. I know one link that puts the independence of Press Freedom into the constitution. This is likely to throw the spanners into numerous (govt+private) agencies purpoting to regulate broadcast and other media... </DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 5/26/10, Wainaina Mungai <I><wainaina@madeinkenya.org></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Wainaina Mungai <wainaina@madeinkenya.org><BR>Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Fwd: [reformsnow] If we vote YES for the proposed Constitution<BR>To: jwalu@yahoo.com<BR>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><BR>Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 6:21 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Since this has been brought up on-list, I presume we are free to<BR>comment on-list ;-)<BR><BR>My comments are on the link between;<BR>a) Abortion and 'any other written law' in the context of<BR>international law that may allow abortion or 'county law' that may be<BR>determined after we pass the draft. Will treaties of other<BR>international instruments that are automatically effected via this<BR>draft be considered 'any other written law'?<BR><BR>b) From my little reading, Kadhi courts are not 'customary courts' in<BR>the same way as native courts, which became 'magistrates courts'. They<BR>are RELIGIOUS COURTS. Let's not pretend about that. If they were<BR>similar to magistrates courts as put forward by our 'expert', then a<BR>Christian or Hindu student of Islamic law may as well qualify to be<BR>appointed as a Kadhi. Kadhi courts are not open courts the same way as<BR>a muslim or Hindu can be appointed as a magistrate or
Chief Justice.<BR><BR>A Christian or Hindu woman who proves himself in administering Islamic<BR>law cannot become a Kadhi, even if he is the financier (tax-payer) of<BR>such courts.<BR><BR>Overall, this CoE draft seems like a Yes. It is only fair if we start<BR>to identify the bits of the draft that need to be amended once it is<BR>passed. The No campaign at the previous referendum always used to<BR>remind us that one rotten potato spoils the whole sack of potatoes.<BR>What has changed? Doesn't that wisdom still apply? ;-) There is alot<BR>Banking sector is concerned about in relation to the chapter on land<BR>and manufacturers/investors have queries that have gone unanswered in<BR>attempts to avoid being branded a 'no' campaigner.<BR><BR>I say, vote for the draft on condition we also agree on things that<BR>must be amended either before or after August 2010. Even the pro-yes<BR>brigade of President Kibaki and PM Raila admit it is not perfect
and<BR>'tutabadilisha hapo pengine'.<BR><BR>Let's discuss the 'hapo pengine' today, not after 4th August.<BR><BR>On 5/26/10, alice <<A href="http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alice@apc.org" ymailto="mailto:alice@apc.org">alice@apc.org</A>> wrote:<BR>> Dear all<BR>><BR>> For those following (all Kenyans of course...) the constitutional review<BR>> process, please see below.<BR>><BR>> best<BR>><BR>> alice<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -------- Original Message --------<BR>> Subject: [reformsnow] If we vote YES for the proposed Const....<BR>> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 03:53:54 -0700 (PDT)<BR>> From: Wamuyu Gatheru <<A href="http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk" ymailto="mailto:wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk">wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk</A>><BR>> To: <A
href="http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alice@apc.org" ymailto="mailto:alice@apc.org">alice@apc.org</A><BR>> CC: <A href="http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=reformsnow@lists.reformsnow.or.ke" ymailto="mailto:reformsnow@lists.reformsnow.or.ke">reformsnow@lists.reformsnow.or.ke</A><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi all,<BR>> We are still struggling to get Constitutional reform behind us. Please<BR>> find attached a brief question and answer write out done by Njoki<BR>> Ndungu, a COE Commissioner, breaking down some issues: how muslims pay<BR>> for Christian, Hindu etc marriages, what ratification of an<BR>> international treaty means, how devolution will work...<BR>><BR>> *Today's Fact*: If we vote YES for the proposed Constitution no proposed<BR>> legislation can be delayed for longer than one year beyond the time<BR>> specified for its enactment (see the 5th schedule on legislation).
For<BR>> example, new law on Citizenship (dual citizenship, women passing on<BR>> citizenship to spouses after 7 years, law abiding residents obtaining<BR>> citizenship after 7 years...) should be in place in one year. If after 2<BR>> years this legislation is not in place, Parliament will be ordered by<BR>> the High Court to enact the legislation within a specified period of<BR>> time. If Parliament fails to obey this order, _Parliament will be<BR>> dissolved_.<BR>><BR>> regards,<BR>> Wamuyu<BR>><BR>> P/S Invite your networks to this mailing list<BR>> (<A href="http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=reformsnow@lists.reformsnow.or.ke" ymailto="mailto:reformsnow@lists.reformsnow.or.ke">reformsnow@lists.reformsnow.or.ke</A>) Facts on political reforms will be<BR>> posted regularly.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR>-- <BR>Sent from my mobile device<BR><BR>Wainaina Mungai<BR>-----<BR><A
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