Dear Gilda<div><br></div><div>Can you please tell us what sector each person is coming from? Private sector, public sector, civil society? <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:49 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke">godera@skyweb.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi Harry,<br>
<br>
Sorry about this delay.<br>
The WG members are:<br>
<br>
- Sylvester Kasuku (OPM Member/Head of Secretariat)<br>
- Gilda Odera (Chairperson)<br>
- Nik Nesbitt<br>
- Victor Kyalo (Joint Secretary)<br>
- Sammy Burachara<br>
- Dickson Ogolla (Secretariat)<br>
- Peres Were (Joint Secretary<br>
<br>
Check gazette notice no.107 18th December for more information.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Gilda<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Quoting Harry Delano <<a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a>>:<br>
<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Gilda,<br>
><br>
> We are awaiting you to unveil the 6 gents/ladies Task force on ICT below -<br>
> specifically, their<br>
> mandate/objectives who they are accountable to, and it's scope of<br>
> participatory engagement with<br>
> the wider multi stakeholders..<br>
><br>
> When is this coming..?<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Harry<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=<a href="http://comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">comtelsys.co.ke</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry">kictanet-bounces+harry</a>=<a href="http://comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">comtelsys.co.ke</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On<br>
> Behalf Of <a href="mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke">godera@skyweb.co.ke</a><br>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:39 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a><br>
> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building<br>
><br>
><br>
> Listers,<br>
><br>
> I think this is a very healthy debate for the industry.<br>
> Esther, whereas whatever body will face the same queries over their mandate,<br>
> in my view, what is most important is that each respective body plays it<br>
> part to the full and possibly even surpass the expectations of the industry.<br>
> As long as they are all forging towards one goal (making Kenya the ICT Hub<br>
> in Africa)in all their activities, the industry will have gained.<br>
> What is important is that all these bodies do not fight each other, rather<br>
> complement one another to grow this industry.<br>
> We must all work together for good of this industry and nation.<br>
><br>
> Gilda Odera<br>
> Chair, BPO/ITES Working Group at the Office of the Prime Minister<br>
><br>
> (For those not aware, a group of 6 persons from Private Sector and<br>
> Government was recently put together for a two year term to advise on all<br>
> these issues<br>
> being raised in this list. Your views are being noted.)<br>
><br>
> Quoting Esther Muchiri <<a href="mailto:emuchiri@andestbites.com">emuchiri@andestbites.com</a>>:<br>
><br>
> > Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a<br>
> > feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face<br>
> > the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the<br>
> > direction ICT development in Kenya should follow?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=<a href="http://andestbites.com" target="_blank">andestbites.com</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bemuchiri">kictanet-bounces+emuchiri</a>=<a href="http://andestbites.com" target="_blank">andestbites.com</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
> > ] On Behalf Of Harry Delano<br>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:emuchiri@andestbites.com">emuchiri@andestbites.com</a><br>
> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<br>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Lilian,<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these<br>
> > resourceful discussions coming in.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing,<br>
> > happen to work within some form of<br>
> ><br>
> > mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates<br>
> > are competing mandates or<br>
> ><br>
> > a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them..<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge<br>
> > phenomenon, that cuts' out across<br>
> ><br>
> > the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This<br>
> > means, stakeholders from other<br>
> ><br>
> > Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy..<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which,<br>
> > each of the Govt agencies can have a<br>
> ><br>
> > representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all<br>
> > sectors, private , and govt. All interests<br>
> ><br>
> > should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for<br>
> > purposes of accountability and<br>
> ><br>
> > transparency..<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:-<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > * National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF)<br>
> > * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK)<br>
> > * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB)<br>
> ><br>
> > Other names are welcome..<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Harry<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > _____<br>
> ><br>
> > From: kictanet-bounces+harry=<a href="http://comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">comtelsys.co.ke</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry">kictanet-bounces+harry</a>=<a href="http://comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">comtelsys.co.ke</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>]<br>
> > On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja<br>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a><br>
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Yes, Robert.......I see.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you<br>
> > do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the<br>
> > context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which<br>
> > decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and<br>
> > technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process<br>
> and how the decisions are formed".<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the<br>
> > Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under<br>
> > Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info<br>
> > Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They<br>
> > (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their<br>
> > decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA.<br>
> > Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a<br>
> > KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the<br>
> institution envisioned.<br>
> ><br>
> > GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on:<br>
> ><br>
> > . Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT<br>
> within<br>
> > GoK<br>
> ><br>
> > . How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to<br>
> improve<br>
> > services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc<br>
> ><br>
> > . How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country<br>
> at<br>
> > large<br>
> ><br>
> > . The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what<br>
> > mechanism and how resources are to be managed)<br>
> ><br>
> > . The way investments are to be made and policies on realising<br>
> and<br>
> > sharing benefits<br>
> ><br>
> > . How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic<br>
> > partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc)<br>
> ><br>
> > . The principles that underlie the ICT architecture<br>
> ><br>
> > . Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT<br>
> > investment programmes<br>
> ><br>
> > . Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core<br>
> > elements of the infrastructure:<br>
> ><br>
> > o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development<br>
> > and where certain skills should reside<br>
> ><br>
> > o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management,<br>
> development<br>
> > and operations management standards should be used<br>
> ><br>
> > o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management)<br>
> ><br>
> > o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of information<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries<br>
> and<br>
> > personnel standards, etc<br>
> ><br>
> > o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards<br>
> ><br>
> > o Security<br>
> ><br>
> > o Legal<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look<br>
> > to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value'<br>
> > to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation<br>
> > towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the<br>
> > rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an<br>
> > Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need<br>
> > support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We<br>
> > can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging<br>
> > knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way<br>
> > 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are<br>
> > jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them<br>
> sufficiently.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > LILIAN<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
> > Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building<br>
> > To: "Lilian Karanja" <<a href="mailto:l_wkaranja@yahoo.com">l_wkaranja@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi Lilian,<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best<br>
> > trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted<br>
> > with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they<br>
> > are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who<br>
> > keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need<br>
> > is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of<br>
> > government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila<br>
> > has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without<br>
> > a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the<br>
> diamonds within.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for<br>
> > 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if<br>
> > you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6<br>
> > hours then that is your problem.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or<br>
> > BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo"<br>
> > (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the<br>
> > government activities.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your<br>
> > selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next<br>
> > time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name<br>
> names.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Robert Yawe<br>
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>
> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>
> > Kenya<br>
> ><br>
> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > _____<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From: Lilian Karanja <<a href="mailto:l_wkaranja@yahoo.com">l_wkaranja@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> > Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41<br>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Dear PS:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed<br>
> > in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in<br>
> > Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about<br>
> > the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in<br>
> > Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth<br>
> > and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and<br>
> > we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it<br>
> > a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be<br>
> > addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a<br>
> > town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward,<br>
> > it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how<br>
> > it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT<br>
> > management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge<br>
> > chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the<br>
> > likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their<br>
> ICT technical know-how and skills.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building<br>
> > (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and<br>
> > funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development)<br>
> > over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by<br>
> > Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy<br>
> > systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security<br>
> > (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But<br>
> > may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers<br>
> > who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all<br>
> pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part<br>
> > of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government<br>
> > Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and<br>
> > strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of<br>
> > these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the<br>
> > private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in<br>
> > ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense<br>
> > them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are<br>
> knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > LILIAN<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --- On Sun, 4/4/10, <a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked<br>
> > To: "Lilian" <<a href="mailto:l_wkaranja@yahoo.com">l_wkaranja@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> > Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM<br>
> ><br>
> > Barrack,<br>
> > Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be<br>
> > wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on<br>
> Malili.<br>
> > Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these<br>
> > agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only<br>
> > when you point out where there are gaps.<br>
> ><br>
> > The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one<br>
> > person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya<br>
> kuchongoana tu.<br>
> > Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that<br>
> > I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest<br>
> > from the membership here.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Ndemo.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > > This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions<br>
> > > are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide<br>
> > > us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we<br>
> > > can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the<br>
> > > board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we<br>
> > > need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Regards<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <<a href="mailto:volunga@yahoo.com">volunga@yahoo.com</a><br>
> > <<a href="http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com" target="_blank">http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com</a>> > wrote:<br>
> > >> There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait.<br>
> > >> What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two<br>
> > >> bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement<br>
> > >> on ICT matters?<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Regards<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Vitalis<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> ________________________________<br>
> > >> From: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
> > <<a href="http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
> > ><br>
> > >> To: <a href="mailto:volunga@yahoo.com">volunga@yahoo.com</a><br>
> > <<a href="http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com" target="_blank">http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> > >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
> > <<a href="http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet" target="_blank">http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet</a>.<br>
> > <a href="http://or.ke" target="_blank">or.ke</a>><br>
> > ><br>
> > >> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM<br>
> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Hi,<br>
> > >> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try<br>
> > >> reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do<br>
> > >> anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT<br>
> > >> which includes your microwave oven and copier.<br>
> > >> Functions of Kenya ICT Board<br>
> > >> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya<br>
> > >> Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007:<br>
> > >> . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to<br>
> > >> development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of<br>
> > >> ICT industries in the country.<br>
> > >> . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for<br>
> > >> investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT<br>
> > >> industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with<br>
> > >> associated facilities on sites, estates and land.<br>
> > >> . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out<br>
> > >> such functions as it may consider necessary.<br>
> > >> . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs.<br>
> > >> . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products<br>
> > >> and services.<br>
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