<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>The recent 3g debacle, where one provider paid certain amounts for what the media refer to as a 'licence' and other are resisting paying is actually misreported.</div><div><br></div><div>The payment was for allocation of radio frequencies which would be used for delivery of 3g services. The providers involved have already been licensed under the unified licensing regime for the services that provide, regardless of technology, as Joe pointed out.</div><div><br></div><div>Wheter or not the fee is high is another question, but obviously the most critical issue is to provide a platform for competition and fair play.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Mblayo<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Mar 26, 2010, at 1:53 PM, "Harry Delano" <<a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Thanks Joe, and Sammy G,</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Am actually wondering, how we can engage both the
ministry(policy), and CCK (regulator) on this very </font></span><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">pertinent
issue...?</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Are the wrangles over licensing stifling rollout in any way,
and in turn denying the sector the much needed competion,</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">which ultimately would drive down pricing for mobile
broadband..? If so, then it needs to be sorted now..</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Clearly for over a period of time now that
this debate on broadband has raged, it has been met with
</font></span><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">a "studious" deafening </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"></span><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">silence.
</font></span><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Is it not time, we asked the Kictanet secretariat </font></span><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">to
</font></span><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">some form of RFC -"Request for comments" from both
offices..? </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Walu...?</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">There are very valid points, being raised
here..</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Regards,</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="343304110-26032010"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Harry</font></span></div><br>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b>
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[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Joseph Mucheru<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 26, 2010 12:37
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke"><a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a></a><br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Revisiting The Broadband Debate in
Kenya<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>Sammy, Listers
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<div>I am curious about certain regulations in the market. I am aware that CCK
is issuing technology neutral unified licenses. So what is the big debate about
3G licenses. Can someone shed some light? Why did CCK charge Safaricom a fee for
a technology? Are we expecting a further license for 4G and will they cost more
than the 3G and if other players are having difficulty paying now, how will they
pay for 4G, does such a licensing framework allow for lower prices and more
capacity in future? and so on ...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Below is the CCK FAQ on their website clearly stating the unified licensing
framework is technology neutral.</div>
<div><a href="http://www.cck.go.ke/licensing/telecoms/faqs.html"><a href="http://www.cck.go.ke/licensing/telecoms/faqs.html">http://www.cck.go.ke/licensing/telecoms/faqs.html</a></a></div>
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<h5 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; COLOR: rgb(0,91,166); FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><a style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(110,112,49); TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="">What is the license and Operating fee for Public Data Network
Operator?</a></h5>
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<h5 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; COLOR: rgb(0,91,166); FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><a style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(110,112,49); TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="">Who is a Internet Gateway and Backbone Operator?</a></h5>
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<h5 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; COLOR: rgb(0,91,166); FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><a style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(110,112,49); TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="">What is the license and Operating fee for Internet Gateway and
Backbone Operator?</a></h5>
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<h5 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; COLOR: rgb(0,91,166); FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><a style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(110,112,49); TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="">What is the scope of Internet Gateway and Backbone license?</a></h5>
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<h5 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; COLOR: rgb(0,91,166); FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><a style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(110,112,49); TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="">What is the Commission's policy on use of xDSL services?</a></h5>
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<h5 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; COLOR: rgb(0,91,166); FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><a style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(110,112,49); TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="">What is the future trend of licenses verses technological
neutrality?</a></h5>
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<p>With regard to the scope of the licenses, the Commission's ultimate
objective with respect to the market categorization, as indicated in our broad
strategic statement released recently, is to adopt a unified licensing
framework that permits any form of communications infrastructure to be used to
provide any type of communications service that is technically capable of
being provided and to structure the market accordingly by<span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,102)" class="Apple-style-span"> creating
the following distinct and technology neutral market
categorization:</span></p>
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<li style="MARGIN: 0px">Network Facilities Provider (NFP) – who shall own
and operate any form of communications infrastructure irrespective of
whether it is satellite or terrestrial based and could support either mobile
or fixed applications.
</li><li style="MARGIN: 0px">Applications Service Provider (ASP) – to provide all
forms of services to end users using the network services of a facilities
provider.
</li><li style="MARGIN: 0px">Contents Services Provider (CSP) – to provide
contents such as broadcast (TV& Radio) material, and other information
services and applications such as data processing etc. </li></ul>
<p>The Commission, therefore, intends to grant authorization for the various
markets consistent with the aforementioned future segmentation without
facilitating anticompetitive practices such as vertical integration
scenario.</p>
<p>In this regard, therefore, the Commission shall continue to insist on
separation of service provisioning (provision through separate entities)
between facility-based providers such as PDNO & LLO from those of
non-facility based providers such as ISP . Consequently it will be expected
that application and content providers such as ISPs on one hand and network
providers such as Internet Gateway and Backbone providers, PDNOs etc. shall
remain in different market segments under the above-mentioned market
structure.</p>
<p><strong>** </strong>Consistent with the aforementioned, therefore,
Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators will be expected to provide national
extension facilities to link their customers being only ISPs, IXPs and other
licensed operators without the need to use third party facilities. This is
also in view of the need and obligation on the part of the Internet Backbone
and Gateway Operators to provide national Internet backbone services to enable
the widest spread of Internet services throughout the
country <strong>**.</strong></p>
<p>In this regard, therefore, Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators will not
be allowed to provide Internet access services directly to end users but
instead they will be expected to concentrate in providing backbone services to
ISPs and other licensed access network operators. Deployment of mini VSAT
equipment to service end-users will, therefore, not be permitted under this
license.</p></div>
</li><li style="MARGIN: 0px">
<h5 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; COLOR: rgb(0,91,166); FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><a style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(110,112,49); TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="">What is the Commission' policy on ownership of more than two companies
offering services in different market segments by related
directorship?</a></h5>
</li><li style="MARGIN: 0px">
<h5 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; COLOR: rgb(0,91,166); FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><a style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(110,112,49); TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="">Who is allowed to carry Multimedia and VoIP application
Services?</a></h5>
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<h5 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; COLOR: rgb(0,91,166); FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><a style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(110,112,49); TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="">Are laws on rights of way applicable to all telecommunication facility
providers or for selective providers?</a></h5>
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<h5 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; COLOR: rgb(0,91,166); FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><a style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(110,112,49); TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="">Can I be allowed to use the way leaves, as a new entrant in the
telecommunication market, of the existing facilities providers like KPLC,
Kenya railways and Telkom Kenya to construct my infrastructure?</a></h5>
</li><li style="MARGIN: 0px">
<h5 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; COLOR: rgb(0,91,166); FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><a style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(110,112,49); TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="">Do I have a right to co-locate my facilities with other
telecommunication facilities providers or service providers?</a></h5>
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<h5 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; COLOR: rgb(0,91,166); FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><a style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(110,112,49); TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="">Are there enough frequency resources for the PDNO market in the
country?</a></h5></li></ol></div></div></span></div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
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<div>Joe<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Sam Gatere <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sam.gatere@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:sam.gatere@gmail.com">sam.gatere@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Dear Listeners,<br><br>4G technology looks and even sounds
just great! but I think we ask the question to early about preparedness
locally to receive this technology. I agree with Harry D.'s point that
pressing for high quality broadband that is favorably priced would be a better
way to look at it. Currenly 3G services are not accessible to many
countrywide. So technologically speaking we are not yet exploiting 3G let
alone prepare for 4G! Once we get one thing right, that is, easy and reliable
access to broadband and good pricing then 4G will be a reality.<br><br>Looking
at pricing and licensing the challenges therein may need state intervention.
Some players paid full fees for 3G licensing yet others feel the price is too
high for them bear yet they want to offer the same service. If the later are
let off the hook that would mean creating an uneven play field with different
rules!<br><br>On pricing I think the providers are caught in a "catch 22"
Their operational costs still remain high (Especially Utilities e.g. power and
human resource) and they are forced to lower their prices. I'm sure the price
cuts we have seen in recent months have involved serious balancing acts. To
ensure people keep their jobs, and the companies still offer services.
<br>Maybe what we shall see in the very near future is value added services
such the Tripple or Quad play services. Instead of offering you just broadband
services, they may just include cable TV, Land-line phone and a family plan
Cell phone deal all for one price?<br><br><br>SammyG<br><br><br><br>
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<div class="h5">On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Harry Delano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a></a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div>
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<div class="h5"><br>Mr. Pius, et al,<br><br>I suppose we still have quite some
"unfinished" business, on the current<br>Mobile broadband technologies<br>we
have to date, the fastest being 3G.<br><br>Sometime back on this forum, an
embroiling debate ensued on the licensing<br>structure for 3G, I do<br>not
know if this has now been resolved. Some things in our setting seem
to<br>have a knack of fading<br>off into oblivion as soon as they arise and
remain open ended..<br><br>Before we talk of 4G, I think it would only be
fair for pricing on Mobile<br>broadband data on the<br>current platform to
be addressed ASAP, so that all and sundry can enjoy this<br>resource to the
maximum.<br><br>Policy makers keep insisting that competition will drive
down pricing.<br>Clearly, we've been at it over<br>time now and seems little
is happening on ground - Why..? Because there is<br>literally no competition
in<br>Mobile Broadband, where we have 2 - 3 main active players. Infact
the<br>players track each other closely<br>and prices seem to be closely
pegged.<br><br>When all the international Optic Fibre cables were being
anxiously awaited<br>for, everyone hailed the<br>advent of "rock bottom"
pricing for broadband, across board only for this to<br>become a mirage
once<br>they landed. What changed..?<br><br>Now one additional cable is
landing..? What does this herald. Downward<br>pricing..? Remains to be
seen.<br><br>I'm not sure whether the it's time for the wielders of the
"Big" stick now,<br>to deal with this once and<br>for all, including the
main broadband sector.<br><br>I suppose, let's sustain the momentum to press
for high quality broadband<br>experience at competitive<br>pricing by our
standards -
national..<br><br>Harry<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>kictanet
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