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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=937432609-09022010><FONT color=#0000ff 
size=2 face=Arial>This is quite informative.. Please keep the debate 
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<DIV><SPAN class=937432609-09022010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>And 
all this, is development...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> 
kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke 
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <B>On 
Behalf Of </B>S.Murigi Muraya<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:45 
AM<BR><B>To:</B> harry@comtelsys.co.ke<BR><B>Cc:</B> KICTAnet ICT Policy 
Discussions<BR><B>Subject:</B> [kictanet] Reverse engineering - or patent 
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  <DIV style="DISPLAY: none" id=wpz class="e std">Results include your 
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  <DIV class=s>29 Jul 2004 <B>...</B> The settlement comes 20 months after 
  <EM>Cisco sued Huawei</EM> for allegedly using stolen Cisco's technology to 
  develop a line-up of routers and <B>...</B><BR><CITE><A 
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>---------- Forwarded message ----------<BR>From: <B 
class=gmail_sendername>S.Murigi Muraya</B> <SPAN dir=ltr><<A 
href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com">murigi.muraya@gmail.com</A>></SPAN><BR>Date: 
Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Reverse engineering - or 
patent infringement?<BR>To: Brian Longwe <<A 
href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</A>><BR><BR><BR>Well Cisco 
had sued them for ....
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Brian Longwe <SPAN 
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" 
target=_blank>blongwe@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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  <DIV>Murigi,</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Actually, if you look at all of Huawei and ZTEs CDMA products, they 
  purchase/license the core chip from Qualcomm, who have the patent for the 
  technology. In fact, they ate Qualcomms biggest partner.</DIV>
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  <DIV>Brian</DIV>
  <DIV><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
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  <DIV><BR>On Feb 9, 2010, at 10:37 AM, S.Murigi Muraya <<A 
  href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com" 
  target=_blank>murigi.muraya@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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    <DIV><SPAN 
    style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">All well 
    & good. If the Chinese listened to these kinds of (valid) points there 
    would be no Huawei or ZTE in existence. Knowledge first (primary) & 
    legalities (later but) not to be ignored.<BR><BR>No nation has developed by 
    impressing foreigners but primarily by being civilized (not harming anyone 
    including foreigners), believing in its own people & by promoting 
    learning with its boundaries.<BR><BR>SMM</SPAN><BR><BR>
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    <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From: 
    </SPAN><SPAN 
    style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">Andrea 
    Bohnstedt <<A href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com" 
    target=_blank>andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com</A>></SPAN><BR><SPAN 
    style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: 
    </SPAN><SPAN 
    style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">Tuesday, 
    February 09, 2010 09:47</SPAN><BR><SPAN 
    style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: 
    </SPAN><SPAN 
    style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><A 
    href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com" 
    target=_blank>murigi.muraya@gmail.com</A></SPAN><BR><SPAN 
    style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc: 
    </SPAN><SPAN 
    style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">KICTAnet 
    ICT Policy Discussions <<A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" 
    target=_blank>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>></SPAN><BR><SPAN 
    style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: 
    </SPAN><SPAN 
    style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">Re: 
    [kictanet] Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?</SPAN><BR><BR>Good 
    morning all, <BR><BR>I didn't refer to Prof. Kamau, I referred to the 
    statement of Dr Ndemo, which he kindly qualified. I am aware of the debate 
    of generic drugs and the arguments made that the public good should override 
    patent rights. But this is, as I'm sure everyone is also aware of, a complex 
    topic, with an equally complex international legal framework, and as much as 
    it's easy to hate big pharma, I think some recognition needs to be given to 
    companies that invest heavily in R&D. <BR><BR>In the Kenyan debate 
    specifically, I would find it counterproductive if senior government 
    officials openly call for patent right infringements (and again, Dr Ndemo 
    did qualify his statement). Apart from the fact that I'd rather like to see 
    innovation encouraged, it does nothing for Kenya's image towards 
    international ICT and tech investors or people looking to outsource 
    processes. Copy right and patent infringement and intellectual property 
    right theft was and is a big concern in China, and Kenya has none of the 
    advantages that China offers to offset these: very low-cost manufacturing 
    environment and a huge domestic market. It's a bit of a contradiction to 
    call for e.g. certifications etc to build international credibility, and 
    then offset it with a signal like this. <BR><BR>On the IPad specificially: I 
    doubt that Kenyan companies, even if they managed to copy the IPad, would be 
    able to build it at a lower cost, and the way the education sector is run 
    now, they'd be stolen just as quickly as any book - probably faster. I went 
    to the Intel Classmate launch a couple of years ago and they made a useful 
    point that just handing out kiddie laptops is not the solution: You need the 
    whole ecosystem to make them productive. Electricity, connectivity, a place 
    to lock them up, and importantly a teaching plan that they are integrated 
    into. <BR><BR>Have a lovely day, <BR>Andrea  <BR><BR>
    <DIV class=gmail_quote>On 9 February 2010 09:07, Walubengo J <SPAN 
    dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target=_blank></A><A 
    href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target=_blank>jwalu@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> 
    wrote:<BR>
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          vAlign=top>@Andrea,<BR><BR>Reverse engineering - or patent 
            infringement?<BR><BR>If I was Prof. Kamau, I would carefully ride on 
            both - depending on the convenience of the laws applicable and the 
            demand for public good. Draw the parallel with generic HIV 
            medicines...<BR><BR>walu.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 2/9/10, Andrea 
            Bohnstedt <I><<A 
            href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com" 
            target=_blank></A><A 
            href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com" 
            target=_blank>andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com</A>></I></B> 
            wrote:<BR>
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              Andrea Bohnstedt <<A 
              href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com" 
              target=_blank></A><A 
              href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com" 
              target=_blank>andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com</A>><BR>Subject: 
              Re: [kictanet] Getting a hold on cybercrime against women (cyber 
              pests!)<BR>To: <A href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" 
              target=_blank></A><A href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" 
              target=_blank>jwalu@yahoo.com</A><BR>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy 
              Discussions" <<A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" 
              target=_blank></A><A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" 
              target=_blank>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>><BR>Date: 
              Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 12:40 AM<BR><BR>
              <DIV>Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?<BR><BR>
              <DIV class=gmail_quote>On 8 February 2010 21:01, <SPAN 
              dir=ltr><<A href="http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke" 
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              target=_blank>bitange@jambo.co.ke</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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              class=gmail_quote>Dear listers,<BR>Prof. Kamau, University of 
                Nairobi's engineering school has successifully reverse 
                engineered the converter box for digital TV.  Those willing 
                to visit the fab lab next week should register with Awiti in my 
                office.  His e-mail is <A 
                href="http://mc/compose?to=nawiti@information.go.ke" 
                rel=nofollow target=_blank></A><A 
                href="mailto:nawiti@information.go.ke" 
                target=_blank>nawiti@information.go.ke</A>.<BR><BR>I am hoping 
                soon we can reverse engineer the ipad so that we can use it to 
                distribute e-books to all kids in the country and avoid this 
                theft of textbooks.<BR><BR>Regards.<BR><BR>Ndemo.<BR>Sent from 
                my BlackBerry®<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: 
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