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<DIV align=justify><FONT face=Calibri>Listeners,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=justify><FONT face=Calibri>Thanks to Dkt Ndemo, Esther, Sam and all
who have been contributing to this debate which is of a great national concern.
As they say with education; "You are a beneficiary OR affected either
directly or indirectly". From the education system, a nation produces men
and women who contribute to national development. A portion of the dropouts
decides to give the communities a preveiew of life in hell in the name of
criminal activities.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=justify><FONT face=Calibri>Ndemo mentioned issues of teachers being
recruited locally, hence a sinking community will continue sinking becauce they
don't</FONT> <FONT face=Calibri>want to see "foreign teachers". How comes
policemen are posted anywhere in the country yet they earn less than teachers
(ex-bribery)? Esther's proposal of introducig bridging courses has
been a success in private universities and has given opportunities to thousands
to build their careers. If Sam's ideas are implemented, we shall
have housegirls who are equiped to be trusted with the young ones with
basic health standards, cooking and other domestic needs.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=justify><FONT face=Calibri>This week, I rejected some of the
textbooks given to my daughter at a public school in the name of
FPE because they were in pathetic conditions and I have buy them myself if
she has to learn. To conclude, how many years shall it take us to be
near education system like in UK where the former Prime Minister, Tony
Blair once said with pride that he went to a public
school.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=justify><FONT face=Calibri>Akich Kwach</FONT> </DIV>
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title=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [kictanet]
[ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving candidates,parents a raw deal</DIV>
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<DIV>Listerners,</DIV>
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<DIV>My view is that we need more of a change of attitude than
anything else. Our minds are more of exam driven than the ultimate
delivery this happens at all levels and we end up churning out questionable
graduates at all levels.</DIV>
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<DIV>Lets assume at the end of KCPE those who have not made it to
form one can be absorbed at training institutions that train nannies,
househelps, garden boys etc. Those who have joined form one
can sit another exam KJSE and those who have not made it can be trained
to be professional something. At form KCSE those who have not
made it can also be trained to do something else it goes on and
on. This to many sounds outrageous but it may not be far from the
reality.</DIV>
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<DIV>At the speed we are going to have everybody attain university education
and end up with a white collar job, am reluctant to be near my
brothers and sisters, they are wild since am not doing enough to
abtain them a white collar job despite paying fees all the way to
university. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sometimes we need to borrow example this time round from US where people
honour all careers and pay for it. By the way with due respect what is
the profession of Mr Tiger Woods wife?</DIV>
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<DIV>Sam </DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Esther Muchiri
<><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
saguyo@yahoo.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Skunk
Works <skunkworks@my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users
<ke-internetusers@bdix.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, January 6, 2010 8:43:04
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [kictanet]
[ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw
deal<BR></FONT><BR>Now that we all agree there is a problem with our 8-4-4
system, especially<BR>considering the number of dropouts every year, how about
an introduction of<BR>'bridging' courses for those who did not perform so well
(due to one reason<BR>or another)? I am sure there are many other factors that
contribute to poor<BR>performance, e.g. panic. <BR><BR>Would it be wrong if
some private secondary schools decided to admit those<BR>who failed (say
180-250 marks) into form one, but then offer a mandatory 3<BR>month bridging
course to bring them at par with the more qualified<BR>candidates? This would
reduce the number of dropouts, and perhaps give them<BR>hope and a chance to
complete secondary school. I know universities offer<BR>bridging courses - why
not high school? <BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=<A
href="mailto:andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
ymailto="mailto:andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke">andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A><BR>[mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=<A
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On<BR>Behalf Of <A href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke"
ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</A><BR>Sent:
Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:26 PM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:emuchiri@andestbites.com"
ymailto="mailto:emuchiri@andestbites.com">emuchiri@andestbites.com</A><BR>Cc:
Skunk Works; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users<BR>Subject: Re:
[kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving candidates,<BR>parents a raw
deal<BR><BR>Akich,<BR>The dynamics of our democratized society are too
complex. As a child<BR>growing up in rural Kisii we had teachers from
different parts of the<BR>country. Our people (Kenyans) demanded that we
must go local and remove<BR>"foreigners". We escalted this foreigner
concept to the extent we were in<BR>Dec. 2007.<BR><BR>Local teachers now have
to finish with their small enterprises before they<BR>consider students.
Some have to till their shambas first. These are the<BR>people we call
hard working and we all know about this. There is no<BR>passion to teach
anymore and when they teach, they do it in venacular. <BR>Ministry of
education knows about this. The solution is difficult and<BR>highly
political. Reforms will see at least 50,000 teachers retired.
<BR>Anybody implementing this kind of reforms would be attacked from
all<BR>corners including yes parents.<BR><BR>In my view we need to raise the
minimum teacher qualification to<BR>undergraduate and they work anywhere in
the country as any other civil<BR>servant. We must tie performance to
any pay increase. Atwoli apende<BR>asipende.<BR><BR>Just my personal
thoughts.<BR><BR><BR>Regards<BR><BR><BR>Ndemo.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> Daktari
Ndemo,<BR>> As one of the concerened parents and citizens, I must admit the
truth can<BR>> be<BR>> sometimes very bitter especially when you compare
the qaulifications of<BR>> public primary school teachers with that of
private schools. The disparity<BR>> is even worse when you look at the
rural schools. On the issue of whether<BR>> we<BR>> need the KCPE exams,
I would request you to pose that question to your<BR>> couterpart at the
MoE Prof Karega and share with us his opinion, whether<BR>> personal or
official.<BR>><BR>> Cheers and Happy New Year<BR>><BR>> Akich
Kwach<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>
From: <<A href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke"
ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</A>><BR>> To:
"wesley kirinya" <<A href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com"
ymailto="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com">kiriinya2000@yahoo.com</A>><BR>>
Cc: "Skunk Works" <<A href="mailto:skunkworks@my.co.ke"
ymailto="mailto:skunkworks@my.co.ke">skunkworks@my.co.ke</A>>; "KICTAnet
ICT Policy Discussions"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>>;
"ke-users" <<A href="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net"
ymailto="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net">ke-internetusers@bdix.net</A>><BR>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:46 PM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving<BR>> candidates,parents a raw
deal<BR>><BR>><BR>> Dear Wesley,<BR>> No one should fail an exam
because we have nowhere to take them if they<BR>> passed. Already we
have B grade students who are not getting into<BR>>
Universiry.<BR>><BR>> Every year we get similar concerns but no one has
ever asked if indeed we<BR>> need KCPE exams. To date I do not know
the objective of this exam. If<BR>> our promlem just like everybody
else is literacy, then we only need the<BR>> KCSE exams. The
assumption here is that by the time someone sits for<BR>> KCSE, they would
be literate and mature enough to consider options. At<BR>> KCPE
level, I am afraid we keep on increasing our illiteracy levels the<BR>>
moment 250,000 fail to proceed further.<BR>><BR>> In my view we all have
failed to analyse this problem objectively. Media<BR>> keeps on
reporting but not analysing the problems. Citizens continue to<BR>>
complain and not making proposals to the Government. The KNUT,
parents,<BR>> politicians have subjected the Ministry into crisis mode
instead of<BR>> reforming the sector. KNUT knows that at least one
third of teacheers in<BR>> Primary Public Schools cannot pass or did not
pass KCPE. Then we ask why<BR>> Private Schools perform
better?<BR>><BR>><BR>>
Ndemo.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>> I'm concerned about
the hundreds of thousands of students that will miss<BR>>> high school.
Last year 250,000 missed it. Over a five year period, this<BR>>> adds up
to more than a million, in a country whose population is about<BR>>>
40<BR>>> million!<BR>>><BR>>> Out of those who go to high
school, only a handful end up in university.<BR>>> Someone should do a
sturdy on the loss to our economy. The government<BR>>> spends lots on
money to educate 250,000 people annually who will not get<BR>>> to high
school. With our current systems, most of these 250,000 will not<BR>>>
get descent employment/stable sources of income. Most of them come
from<BR>>> rural areas, which are the areas that need serious
development and<BR>>> skilled<BR>>> man-power to drive the
development. If I opened a branch of my company<BR>>> in<BR>>>
some rural area of Kenya, who will I employ? Even if I employ some<BR>>>
people,<BR>>> they would be threatened by the Mungiki-types (children
who join gangs<BR>>> in<BR>>> order to extort
money)<BR>>><BR>>> We need every child in Kenya, willing to go to
school, to be able to<BR>>> archieve at least Diploma level. Without
that, we should forget vision<BR>>> 2030 and competing with India and
other Asian countries! The Chinese<BR>>> will<BR>>> continue
building our roads, as Kenyans sweep them with brooms, not even<BR>>>
specialized machines!<BR>>><BR>>> I would like to bring in a
different perspective as to the low<BR>>> performance, which someone
mentioned as seriously wrong. What would<BR>>> happen<BR>>> if
most students passed their exams, especially now with record
numbers<BR>>> enrolling in schools? Where will they go? You would have
students with B<BR>>> grades missing high school. That would be a great
embrassment to<BR>>> goverment.<BR>>><BR>>> If money is
available to buy fleets of new cars (which dont really add<BR>>>
to<BR>>> our GDP), surely there should be money for better quality of
education<BR>>> for<BR>>> our children (which definately adds to
our GDP).<BR>>><BR>>> This is a national
disaster.<BR>>><BR>>> O~(<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ---
On Wed, 12/30/09, Akich Kwach <<A
href="mailto:kwach@archway-productions.com"
ymailto="mailto:kwach@archway-productions.com">kwach@archway-productions.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> From: Akich Kwach <<A
href="mailto:kwach@archway-productions.com"
ymailto="mailto:kwach@archway-productions.com">kwach@archway-productions.com</A>><BR>>>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal<BR>>>
To: <A href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com"
ymailto="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com">kiriinya2000@yahoo.com</A><BR>>>
Cc: <A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A><BR>>>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:39 AM<BR>>><BR>>>
Gentlemen,<BR>>> Thanks for sharing your concerns. I would agree with MM
and Zachary<BR>>> because KNEC ought to have known every candidate and
parents would be<BR>>> interested in getting their results at the
earliest hour and should have<BR>>> tested the system's capacity ahead
of time. It is sad upto this hour, I<BR>>> spent on SMS three times and
no reply yet. If such trends continue, the<BR>>> ICT investments might
just be a wate of public funds and citizens might<BR>>> lose faith in
the so called e-Govt. I would humbly request the PS, Dr<BR>>> Bitange
and the ICT Board to intervene and find out what transpired at<BR>>>
the<BR>>> KNEC system.<BR>>><BR>>> For the parents who had
2009 candidates, I am concerned with the general<BR>>> national
perfomance taking into account that subjects such as SST where<BR>>>
candidates usually score high marks recorded poor performance,
something<BR>>> is not right somewhere.<BR>>><BR>>> WISHING
YOU A HAPPY 2010<BR>>><BR>>> Akich Kwach<BR>>><BR>>>
----- Original Message ----- From: "mureithi"<BR>>> <<A
href="mailto:mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke"
ymailto="mailto:mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke">mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke</A>><BR>>>
To: <<A href="mailto:kwach@archway-productions.com"
ymailto="mailto:kwach@archway-productions.com">kwach@archway-productions.com</A>><BR>>>
Cc: <<A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>><BR>>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:43 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet]
KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw
deal<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>> Thanks barrack<BR>>>>
For the candidate and their family they interacted with the ict
system<BR>>>> and the interface was the sms and the web. We should
not hide behind<BR>>>> huge traffic because the phenomena and the
time is known and the<BR>>>> implications.<BR>>>> Another
terrible failure is that i and many thousands kenyans paid<BR>>>>
upfront to the ict system for a service that was not
delivered<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
____________<BR>>>> Muriuki Mureithi<BR>>>> Summit
Strategies Ltd sent from cellphone<BR>>>><BR>>>>
________________ Reply Header ________________<BR>>>> Subject: Re:
[kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal<BR>>>> Author:
Barrack Otieno <<A href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>>
Date: 29th December 2009 12:51<BR>>>><BR>>>>
MM,<BR>>>><BR>>>> I guess it's a bit premature to blame the
System, the problem stems<BR>>>> from<BR>>>>
how<BR>>>> the whole announcement was managed, it was improper for
the Ministers<BR>>>> handlers to say the results would be available
on the site immediately<BR>>>> after<BR>>>> the speech, with
the anxiety that had been going on i'm sure even the<BR>>>>
best<BR>>>> servers might not have handled the hits, no wonder the
systems were<BR>>>> unable<BR>>>> to cope, however this
serves as a lesson to KNEC, i am sure they will<BR>>>>
do<BR>>>> better in 2010.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Happy New
Year !<BR>>>><BR>>>> On 12/29/09, mureithi <<A
href="mailto:mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke"
ymailto="mailto:mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke">mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Zachary<BR>>>>>
This was the great opportunity for the ict system to prove its
value<BR>>>>> to<BR>>>>> our<BR>>>>>
society. It failed miserably to just serve less than 1 percent of
the<BR>>>>> population and had to walk to schools. Zain however
stood tall and<BR>>>>> 2228<BR>>>>>
worked.<BR>>>>> ____________<BR>>>>> Muriuki
Mureithi<BR>>>>> Summit Strategies Ltd sent from
cellphone<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> ________________ Reply
Header ________________<BR>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] KNEC giving
candidates, parents a raw deal<BR>>>>> Author: Zachary Ochieng
<<A href="mailto:zzachmbir@yahoo.com"
ymailto="mailto:zzachmbir@yahoo.com">zzachmbir@yahoo.com</A>><BR>>>>>
Date: 29th December 2009
09:59<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Despite the
digitisation of exam results by the Kenya National<BR>>>>>
Examinations Council (KNEC) and the Ministry of Education,
the<BR>>>>> platform<BR>>>>> doesn't seem to be
working. My daughter is one of the candidates who<BR>>>>>
sat<BR>>>>> KCPE in November 2009. But more than two hours after
the release of<BR>>>>> the<BR>>>>> results by
Education minister Sam Ongeri, the KNEC website from where<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>> candidates are supposed to check their results remains
down. Worse<BR>>>>> still,<BR>>>>> the 2228 no. to
which candidates should text their index numbers to<BR>>>>>
get<BR>>>>> results is also not working but continues to consume
airtime to the<BR>>>>> tune of<BR>>>>> Ksh 20 per SMS.
If this is not a rip off, then I don't know the<BR>>>>>
definition,<BR>>>>> coming as it does at a time when the ministry
is reeling from a theft<BR>>>>>
scandal.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> One wonders what else the
ministry could be hiding. While announcing<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>> top candidates, Ongeri never mentioned the names of
their schools. But<BR>>>>> it is<BR>>>>> anyone's
guess that majority of them are from private schools.
Rather<BR>>>>> than<BR>>>>> bash the media as he did
during the release of the results, Ongeri<BR>>>>>
should<BR>>>>> tell us what is bedevilling
FPE.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Can someone please help? MY
daughter has refused to take lunch until<BR>>>>>
she<BR>>>>> gets her
results.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
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