<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Eng Kariuki,<br><br>I have since been educated how this clause (law) means well; my fear is in the implementation (the devil lies in the details?) Specifically the following issues among others were raised (at the last stormy KENIC AGM meeting):<br><br>1.When the root/top domain (.KE) is managed under a multistakeholder (PPP) arrangement whilst the subdomains are under a single stakeholder (Regulator). What happens in the "unlikely" event that the Regulator's instructions are "ignored" by the PPP stakeholders?<br>2. When will the Regulator publish the mechanism to be used to invite, evaluate and declare the winning sub-domain bidders? (would it be 1st come 1st serve? Auction to the highest bidder? or whom-do-you-know-where?)<br>3. Shall the sub-domain managers be at liberty to open up registrations to "outsiders?" e.g. the Diaspora/foreigners/etc?<br>4. How
does this clause impact on the widely acclaimed PPP .KE management model?<br>5. etc, etc,<br><br>Maybe these questions were answered elsewhere but I would be glad to be in the know.<br><br>walu.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 12/4/09, John Kariuki <i><ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: John Kariuki <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] .ke domain costs too high<br>To: jwalu@yahoo.com<br>Cc: "Kictanet Mail list" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br>Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:38 AM<br><br><div id="yiv255830301"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign="top">Dear
all,<br><br>Could the current debate be one of the reasons for inclusion of Clause 83F, Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act, 2008?<br><br>John Kariuki<br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 3/12/09, Harry Hare <i><harry@africanedevelopment.org></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] .ke domain costs too high<br>To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk<br>Cc: "Kictanet Mail list" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br>Date: Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 20:20<br><br><div id="yiv1517622923"><div>People, why do we like complicating things. You don't need an MBA to see that the cost is a barrier for entry. If then this is the problem, then KENIC needs to strategize on how to lower or even remove that
barrier, wishing it away won't help.</div><div><br></div><div>What is the 'real cost' of managing a .ke name? This cost in normal cases has a direct relation with the siE and structure of the organisation. The leaner the more aggressive the pricing cam be. If you have a blotted organisation your costs become high and prices uncompetive. If you have a lean organisation you can price your products competively. So, how big is KENIC? This is business not politics.</div><div><br></div><div>So, can we start by having a lean and mean KENIC (assuming it blotted and has high overheads and therefore cannot offer competive pricing) which can have an automated .ke registration system, operate a vitual office and offer domain names for KSh 100? Ok, 200. In just a year with this kind of pricing, you will have your critical mas.</div><div><br></div><div>Just a thought, but im sure there are cleverer people than me in
KENIC.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Harry<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 3 Dec 2009, at 22:47, Solomon Mburu Kamau <<a rel="nofollow">solo.mburu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font face="georgia,serif"></font><span style="font-family: georgia,serif; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);"></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/12/3 robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow"></a><a rel="nofollow">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span><br>
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Barack you did not differ but agree with me.<br><br>But my question still stands why can't KENIC reduce the cost of .ke?<div class="im"><br></div></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div><span style="font-family: georgia,serif; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">The essence of a PPP is to create conducive environment for the players to feel accommodated and be part of the driving force.</span><br style="font-family: georgia,serif; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">
<span style="font-family: georgia,serif; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">KENIC
has done well, in addressing the issue of .ke domains, although the
public perception feels that .com is far much better than anything .ke.</span><br style="font-family: georgia,serif; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">
<br style="font-family: georgia,serif; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">
<span style="font-family: georgia,serif; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">If that is the case, then it's time for KENIC to come forward and make the dream of realizing .ke a reality. </span><br style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">
<span style="font-family: georgia,serif; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">My
suggestion would be to have some kind of approaches which will call for
domain name registration which should include the cost of hosting a
website. This, IMO, would be, in a great sense, create employment
opportunities for the robust and focused web designers and new entities
would be registered.</span><br style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204); font-family: georgia,serif;">
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<span style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204); font-family: georgia,serif;">I wouldn't advocate for death of KENIC as Bob has advocated!</span> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div class="im"><br>Regards<br><br>Robert Yawe<br>
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Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br><br></div>--- On <b>Wed, 2/12/09, Barrack Otieno <i><<a rel="nofollow"></a><a rel="nofollow">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">
<br>From: Barrack Otieno <<a rel="nofollow"></a><a rel="nofollow">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] .ke domain costs too high<br>To: "robert yawe" <<a rel="nofollow"></a><a rel="nofollow">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a rel="nofollow"></a><a rel="nofollow">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 15:24<div><div></div><div class="h5">
<br><br><div>Bob i beg to differ,<br><br>Kenic is an interesting model that other countries are trying to study and emulate and we shouldnt be quick to demonize it, i beleive the organization has come a long way and i would wish to commend its leadership. That notwithstanding my take on the matter is since Kenic is a PPP, then it is upon the stakeholders of which you and i are included to find objectives solutions to the
challenge with regard to the .Ke Pricing. We have to be proud of the achievements we have made however kidogo , that is the only way we will improve the industry and move ahead, i was just looking at Internet Stats today we have slightly over 3 million Internet users out of a population of 40 million, the thirty nine million will only be reached if we in the industry collaborate.<br>
Regards<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:38 AM, robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk"></a><a rel="nofollow">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Today I renewed by .ke domain under duress, it costs me 3 times the cost of registering a .anythingelse, and even higher if I register for 5 years or more. <br><br>Maybe I am a kumbafu, what does it actually take to actually run KENIC, from the charges it must require a super computer with runs off a nuclear powered grid. Can someone please enlighten me on this issue.<br>
<br>I listened to the KENIC director indicate that this cost was as a result of the low uptake, so why punish the choir, can we have the charges dropped or sell KENIC to safaricom or KDN who can then give us domain names for "free" and recover from the bandwidth costs? <br>
<br>This issue of an independent registrar is bull and we need a quick solution to this, then all we do is lament about the slow uptake of technology and the reliance on yahoo and google. We need to stop all
this domo, domo and sort out the issues that matter, death to KENIC.<br><br>Regards<br><br>Robert Yawe<br>
KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>
Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>
Kenya<br>
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