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Harry,<BR>
Your recommendations are quite demanding but I do agree with you that this path will yield better results. I am summarizing all these comments for our academic members of staff. We highly appreciate the valuable input and we intend to incorporates as much as we can.<BR>
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I will would like to pick out your statement on employers being ‘unrealistic’ in their demands. I for example don’t understand why an employer would ask for a First Class in Computer Science and CPA V from the same human candidate! <BR>
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Cheers,<BR>
Muthoni<BR>
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On 11/11/09 9:21 PM, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">John W,<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">I agree with you to an extend. However, I feel that clustering of all these disciplines in one particular curriculum, either way or Cramming<BR>
one course with all that can possibly be taught in class, and meet what the employer might be seeking for may not be practical in the long <BR>
run. Infact this seems to be the case with the current curricula, where most of the disciplines within the current course outlines really never<BR>
get applied anywhere. This is wasted knowledge. Just like, much of the physics and the Chemistry you and me learnt in High school may <BR>
just have been a real total 'waste' of time, effort, and money. It might only serve to create some walking encyclopedias with knowledge that <BR>
never gets applied. Let us develop Specialized Training Curriculas way before even the university entry..<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">Muthoni, if you would ask me, I would recommend that even before you overhaul the current University curriculum, a crucial section of <BR>
stakeholders that comprise the High School, and probably the upper primary School fraternity, need to be brought into the fold in order to<BR>
develop and adopt what I would call a "Bottoms-up"</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial"> approach in arriving at curriculum that flows right through the entire Education system <BR>
as currently structured, with vision 2030 in mind.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">Of course the other end of the production - The employers, who are consumers of the Finished products, are equally important, but also<BR>
will need to make "Realistic" demands on the graduands.. When you demand that you need graduates who have done computer Science, <BR>
Electronic Engineering etc, all compressed in one, it tends to lock out deserving prospects for the job. It may be cost-saving to look at it <BR>
that way but in the long run it won't augur well for skills development that we have at our disposal.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">Please cast the net far and wide, it's just as a multistakeholder issue, at hand, just as the Constitutional Review is..<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">Regards,<BR>
Harry<BR>
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<HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="3" WIDTH="100%"></FONT><FONT FACE="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><B>From:</B> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke]">mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke]</a> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Walubengo J<BR>
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<B>Subject:</B> Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya<BR>
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Muthoni M,<BR>
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I think its good to see Academia going back to the industry to ask for input in curricula development. Previous University Dons would rather claim it was their sole prerogative to say what needs to be taught and when and how it would be taught.<BR>
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Indeed just looking at the recent post from Eng. Kariuki regarding "ICT Jobs at Huawei" it shows the gap between industry and academia. Whereas most ICT University Curricula continues to be strictly segmented along EITHER "Computer Science/Info Technology" OR "Electrical/Telco Engineering" most employers seem to be looking for BOTH CompScience/IT and Engineering components from their candidates.<BR>
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The Challenge then becomes, should IT students be taught some Telco-engineering concepts or Should Electrical and other Engineers be taught IT concepts? I know I have not answered your question regarding inputs for the Computers Science program, but it is just that your question provokes more questions than answers...<BR>
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walu.<BR>
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--- On <B>Tue, 11/10/09, Muthoni Masinde <I><muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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From: Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke><BR>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya<BR>
To: jwalu@yahoo.com<BR>
Cc: "moturi" <moturi@uonbi.ac.ke>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke" <sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke>, waema@uonbi.ac.ke<BR>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:39 PM<BR>
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Dear Nancy,<BR>
I agree with you; we actually review our curriculum every 4 years; the<BR>
current one is 4 years old and that is why we are reviewing it. We have<BR>
always done it through the approach you have described but this time round,<BR>
we would like to incorporate stakeholders views. Quality assurance issues<BR>
are well taken care of.<BR>
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The issue of specialisation from 2nd year seems to be favoured by many and<BR>
we consider this.<BR>
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Thank you very much for the comments and indeed I will be glad to receive<BR>
more ideas from ICSIT-JKUAT.<BR>
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Best regards,<BR>
Muthoni<BR>
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On 11/10/09 12:03 AM, "n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk </mc/compose?to=n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk> " <n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk </mc/compose?to=n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk> ><BR>
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> Muthoni,<BR>
> <BR>
> This is a brilliant idea. In my view you benefit by eliciting very valuable<BR>
> and resourceful ideas for the Curriculum from experienced and sharpened staff.<BR>
> <BR>
> An all stakeholder involvement in either curriculum review or development is<BR>
> an IUCEA and CHE requirement. Its the right process for both academic quality<BR>
> assurance and towards offering demand driven(ICT industry, Kenyas vision 2030)<BR>
> and custom built training.<BR>
> <BR>
> The revision is long overdue. In any case the requirement is one cycle which<BR>
> is in the period of five yrs.<BR>
> <BR>
> On CS, the direction focus should be specialisation from 2nd Year of study<BR>
> after the foundation units.<BR>
> <BR>
> We in academia, believe in sharing "cable", here knowledge and ideas. Will<BR>
> share this with ICSIT colleagues in JKUAT and come back to you.<BR>
> <BR>
> Nancy Macharia<BR>
> Deputy Director<BR>
> ICSIT JKUAT <BR>
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