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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>John W,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>I agree with you to an extend. However, I feel that clustering
of all these disciplines in one particular curriculum, either way or
Cramming</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>one course with all that can possibly be taught in class, and
meet what the employer might be seeking for may not be practical
in the long </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>run. Infact this seems to be the case with the
current curricula, where most of the disciplines within the current course
outlines really never</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>get applied anywhere. This is wasted knowledge. Just like,
much of the physics and the Chemistry you and me learnt in High
school may </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>just have been a </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>real total
'waste' of time, effort, and money. It might only serve to create
some </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>walking encyclopedias with knowledge that </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>never gets applied. Let us develop Specialized Training
Curriculas way before even the university entry..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Muthoni, if you would ask me, I would recommend that even
before you overhaul the current University curriculum, a crucial
section of </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>stakeholders that comprise the High School, and
probably the upper primary School fraternity, need to be brought into the fold
in order to</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>develop and adopt what I would call a
"Bottoms-up"</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=921153617-11112009> <FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial> approach in </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>arriving
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>at curriculum that flows right through the entire Education system
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>as currently structured, with vision 2030 in
mind.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Of course the other end of the production - The employers, who
are consumers of the Finished products, are equally important, but
also</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>will need to make "Realistic" demands on the graduands.. When
you demand that you need graduates who have done computer Science,
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Electronic Engineering etc, all compressed in one, it
tends to lock out deserving prospects for the job. It may be
cost-saving to look </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>at it </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>that way but in the long run it won't augur well for skills
development that we have at our disposal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921153617-11112009></SPAN><FONT
face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>P<SPAN
class=921153617-11112009>lease cast the net far and wide, it's just as a
multistakeholder issue, at hand, just as the Constitutional Review
is..</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=921153617-11112009></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=921153617-11112009>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=921153617-11112009>Harry</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>Muthoni M,<BR><BR>I think its good to see Academia going
back to the industry to ask for input in curricula development.
Previous University Dons would rather claim it was their sole prerogative
to say what needs to be taught and when and how it would be
taught.<BR><BR>Indeed just looking at the recent post from Eng. Kariuki
regarding "ICT Jobs at Huawei" it shows the gap between industry and
academia. Whereas most ICT University Curricula continues to be strictly
segmented along EITHER "Computer Science/Info Technology" OR
"Electrical/Telco Engineering" most employers seem to be looking for BOTH
CompScience/IT and Engineering components from their
candidates.<BR><BR>The Challenge then becomes, should IT students be
taught some Telco-engineering concepts or Should Electrical and other
Engineers be taught IT concepts? I know I have not answered your question
regarding inputs for the Computers Science program, but it is just that
your question provokes more questions than
answers...<BR><BR>walu.<BR> <BR><BR> <BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue,
11/10/09, Muthoni Masinde <I><muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke></I></B>
wrote:<BR>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:
Muthoni Masinde <muthoni@uonbi.ac.ke><BR>Subject: Re: [kictanet]
The Premier B.Sc. Computer Science Programme in Kenya<BR>To:
jwalu@yahoo.com<BR>Cc: "moturi" <moturi@uonbi.ac.ke>, "KICTAnet
ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>,
"sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke" <sci-acad@uonbi.ac.ke>,
waema@uonbi.ac.ke<BR>Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:39 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Dear Nancy,<BR>I agree with you; we actually review
our curriculum every 4 years; the<BR>current one is 4 years old and that
is why we are reviewing it. We have<BR>always done it through the
approach you have described but this time round,<BR>we would like to
incorporate stakeholders views. Quality assurance issues<BR>are
well taken care of.<BR><BR>The issue of specialisation from 2nd year
seems to be favoured by many and<BR>we consider this.<BR><BR>Thank you
very much for the comments and indeed I will be glad to receive<BR>more
ideas from ICSIT-JKUAT.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Muthoni<BR><BR><BR>On
11/10/09 12:03 AM, "<A href="/mc/compose?to=n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk"
ymailto="mailto:n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk">n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk</A>"
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ymailto="mailto:n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk">n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk</A>><BR>wrote:<BR><BR>>
Muthoni,<BR>> <BR>> This is a brilliant idea. In my view you
benefit by eliciting very valuable<BR>> and resourceful ideas for the
Curriculum from experienced and sharpened staff.<BR>> <BR>> An all
stakeholder involvement in either curriculum review or development
is<BR>> an IUCEA and CHE requirement. Its the right process for both
academic quality<BR>> assurance and towards offering demand
driven(ICT industry, Kenyas vision 2030)<BR>> and custom built
training.<BR>> <BR>> The revision is long overdue. In any case the
requirement is one cycle which<BR>> is in the period of five
yrs.<BR>> <BR>> On CS, the direction focus should be
specialisation from 2nd Year of study<BR>> after the foundation
units.<BR>> <BR>> We in academia, believe in sharing "cable", here
knowledge and ideas. Will<BR>> share this with ICSIT colleagues in
JKUAT and come back to you.<BR>> <BR>> Nancy Macharia<BR>>
Deputy Director<BR>> ICSIT JKUAT <BR>> Sent from my
BlackBerry®<BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
Tuma Barua <<A href="/mc/compose?to=tumabarua@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:tumabarua@gmail.com">tumabarua@gmail.com</A>><BR>>
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