Thank you Eng. Kariuki. The policy seems to be saying the right thing. Perhaps the right question to ask is what the regulator has done to implement this aspect of the policy. tim waema<br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/9/09, <b class="gmail_sendername">John Kariuki</b> <<a href="mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk">ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div>Hi,<br>Just to share some information on this subject.<br>The ICT Policy in Section 5.10 envisages sharing and states as follows:<br><br>" 5.10 Facility Sharing<br> The Government will promote sharing of natural sites,physical infrastructure and co-location of ICT facilities by licensed operators."<br>
<br><br>Eng.J.N.Kariuki<br>--- On <b>Mon, 9/11/09, Al Kags <i><<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:alkags@alkags.com" target="_blank">alkags@alkags.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues<br>To: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>Cc: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
Date: Monday, 9 November, 2009, 10:59<br><br>
<div>As I recall, this is a discussion that has gone on for close to a decade now if not more. For years, the discussion about say, the mobile providers sharing infrastructure has been ongoing unfruitfully. Now we have advanced it to cable and we are still talking about it. I was wondering why KPLC would be trying to invest I their own cable with NOFBI and KDN so well covering parts of Kenya... Why not invest further in them by providing real estate (their poles) and finance so we can then get a KPLC cable-to-the-home product instead? Surely its more cost effective?<br>
<br>On this, I do think CCK lead more prominently and they should be seen to lead on the matter...<br><br>Today, the discussion is vandalism... Tomorrow looms the more compelling discussion about how we are addressing ourselves to climate change with all this duplication.<br>
<br>We have been warned..<br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a rel="nofollow">godera@skyweb.co.ke</a><br>Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:23:28 <br>To: <<a rel="nofollow">alkags@alkags.com</a>><br>Cc: <<a rel="nofollow">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues<br><br><br>Well said Evans. In my view, if all players were sharing the infrastructure, no<br>one would be complaining of being sabotaged.<br>They would all focus their energies if at all vandalism takes place on uniting<br>
to put an end to the vandalism, rather than the current scenario.<br><br>Gilda Odera <br>Quoting "Evans J. Nyagah" <<a rel="nofollow">ejnyagah@Telkom.co.ke</a>>:<br><br>> I can agree more with Noor,<br>
> In the recently concluded AITEC fiber summit conference at Laico, I<br>> tried to advance this philosophy and was accused of advancing a big<br>> brother concept.<br>> Shared service will help utilize the economies of scale to reach many<br>
> with the infrastructure without replicating. It is indeed unfortunate<br>> that you have several players each with parallel cables of underutilized<br>> capacity. The investment could otherwise be extended to cover more areas<br>
> in a scalable manner.<br>> When we players start talking to each other and sell and buy capacity to<br>> each other? Does CCK has a role to play?<br>> <br>> Evans<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: kictanet-bounces+ejnyagah=<a rel="nofollow">telkom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bejnyagah" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+ejnyagah</a>=<a rel="nofollow">telkom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On<br>
> Behalf Of <a rel="nofollow">mahmoods21@gmail.com</a><br>> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:14 PM<br>> To: Evans J. Nyagah<br>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>> Subject: [kictanet] Cable issues<br>
> <br>> <br>> Providers need to share infrastructure,it beats logic to see different<br>> providers digging next to each other on same side of the road,this also<br>> inconveniences road users regularly especilly in urban areas. A first<br>
> timer in a route should have extra conduits that can be used by<br>> competitors in future,once we share the suspicion of competition<br>> sabotaging will reduce.<br>> We also need to educate the public on the importance of the cable<br>
> network to our country,economy and make a connection to how a cable cut<br>> impacts on their lives,ultimately the communities are the best<br>> custodians in their areas,we should also encourage contractors to use<br>
> locals in each of the areas the cable is enroute and let them instill a<br>> sense of ownership to this communities.<br>> If government could perform well,local authorities and the state could<br>> be building and owning fibre routes or just the conduits and lease to<br>
> all interested providers.<br>> With the fibre cuts each day we are reducing the kenya s potential of<br>> being the preffered gateway to landlocked countries like<br>> Uganda,Rwanda,S.Sudan etc,hence reducing our dominance in the region and<br>
> in the process loosing economic/employment opportunities,<br>> <br>> Concerned,frustrated<br>> <br>> Mahmoud Noor<br>> Sent from my BlackBerry(r)<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a rel="nofollow">kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
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> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:14:08 +0300<br>> From: "kai wulff" <<a rel="nofollow">kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke</a>><br>> To: <<a rel="nofollow">jairah@kippra.or.ke</a>><br>
> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <<a rel="nofollow">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues<br>> Message-ID: <484401ca5f15$ab0cdfa0$01269ee0$@<a rel="nofollow">wulff@kdn.co.ke</a>><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing,<br>> negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we<br>
> attach to<br>> contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they<br>> do,<br>> we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might<br>> only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor ..<br>
> <br>> Frustrated<br>> <br>> Kai<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----<br>> Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=<a rel="nofollow">kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bkai.wulff" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff</a>=<a rel="nofollow">kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] Im<br>
> Auftrag von <a rel="nofollow">jairah@kippra.or.ke</a><br>> Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 20:40<br>> An: <a rel="nofollow">kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke</a><br>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>> Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues<br>
> <br>> Colleagues<br>> <br>> What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure<br>> from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other<br>> infrastructure<br>> that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The<br>
> penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the<br>> entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side. <br>> <br>> Kind regards<br>> <br>> Eric Aligula<br>> Sent from my BlackBerry?<br>
> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Jevans Nyabiage <<a rel="nofollow">jnyabiage@nation.co.ke</a>><br>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:07:21 <br>> To: <<a rel="nofollow">jairah@kippra.or.ke</a>><br>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<<a rel="nofollow">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Subject: [kictanet] Cable issues<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> kictanet mailing list<br>
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> ke<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:16:41 +0300<br>> From: "kai wulff" <<a rel="nofollow">kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke</a>><br>
> To: "'Jevans Nyabiage'" <<a rel="nofollow">jnyabiage@nation.co.ke</a>><br>> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <<a rel="nofollow">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues<br>
> Message-ID: <484601ca5f15$ae77f710$0b67e530$@<a rel="nofollow">wulff@kdn.co.ke</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> <br>> Sabotage and Vandalism look very similar .. Unless we ask the people<br>
> doing<br>> it we would not know the motives.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> The fault on Monday was caused by contractors of another operator who<br>> was<br>> not following procedures and who thought that by virtue of working for a<br>
> partly state owned company he will be allowed to do what he wants<br>> (happens<br>> very often, treatment of Operators is still not equal).<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Today was clearly a fault caused by someone who ON PURPOSE cut the<br>
> cable.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Did the person want to steal a cable and stopped when seeing it was not<br>> metal or was he there to sabotage the network - I would not know.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>
> Kai<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=<a rel="nofollow">kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bkai.wulff" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff</a>=<a rel="nofollow">kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] Im<br>
> Auftrag von Jevans Nyabiage<br>> Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 19:07<br>> An: <a rel="nofollow">kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke</a><br>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>> Betreff: [kictanet] Cable issues<br>
> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> In the last few weeks there has been an outcry over increasing in<br>> disruption<br>> of networks with some of the affected firms pointing to industrial<br>> sabotage.<br>
> <br>> Safaricom was the first this week to claim "acts of sabotage" on the<br>> disruption of its network. The Orange the next day arrested some cable<br>> vandals and attributed it to suspected sabotage.<br>
> <br>> This Friday (today) Seacom fibre cable went offline for about four<br>> hours,<br>> they said this was due to cuts on KDN fibre around Voi. <br>> <br>> Is this 'sabotage' real or imagined?<br>
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