Camara does excellent work in 6 African countries. In Kenya they have been focusing on Mombasa and the Coast but are about to spread out into other provinces. If anyone is interested in setting up a computer center email <a href="mailto:ali@camara.ie">ali@camara.ie</a>.<div>
<br></div><div>Many blessings,</div><div><br></div><div>Crystal<br><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:36 PM, McTim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">HI,<br>
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I can confirm that Camara does excellent work in UG.<br>
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If you need the contact for the EA rep, ping me off list, I have her details.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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McTim<br>
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route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Crystal Watley<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">Kigoni<<a href="mailto:crystal@voicesofafrica.org">crystal@voicesofafrica.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> One organization, Camara, is bringing in computers and charges the end user<br>
> 5,000 Ksh each. They are distributed on the Ubuntu Open Source platform.<br>
> They also provide follow up services. At 5,000 Ksh each with a fully<br>
> functional operating system, that blows new computers out of the water. With<br>
> the lower computing demands of Open Source systems the schools save money on<br>
> both hardware and software. If they had to purchase new computers it would<br>
> be at least 20,000 Ksh each plus they would have to buy upgrades on the<br>
> Microsoft software. Using Open Source gives the computers a longer lifespan,<br>
> especially those without complex requirements such as the basic functions<br>
> necessary to teach the basic to students. The used computers do not require<br>
> higher power consumption than a new desktop. As a matter of fact since they<br>
> come from corporate donations, the computers are usually less than 2 years<br>
> old.<br>
> When looking at socio-economic development, the younger we can provide<br>
> access to the computers the more potential we have of being able to compete<br>
> in the knowledge economy. Forcing institutions on already tight budgets to<br>
> purchase brand new equipment is foolish. Every school in Kenya needs to have<br>
> computers and until that occurs we need to facilitate cost effective<br>
> measures for implementation.<br>
> Crystal<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Crystal the term "affordable" is relative in the context of Socio -<br>
>> economic development, could you elaborate on your position?<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Crystal Watley Kigoni<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:crystal@voicesofafrica.org">crystal@voicesofafrica.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> We have to start somewhere. Bringing in used computers is a simple and<br>
>>> effective way to bring computing power into schools and villages. Yes,<br>
>>> Computers for Schools Kenya does charge for these computers (too much if you<br>
>>> ask me in comparison to other groups doing the same), and yet the schools<br>
>>> pay for them so they can give their students a fighting chance at joining<br>
>>> the knowledge economy. We need to consider the welfare of our young people<br>
>>> before we sell out to the "new" game as Uganda has. Can Kenya really afford<br>
>>> to equip ALL of our classrooms with brand new computers? And has anyone<br>
>>> considered the monopoly given to Microsoft when we push for only new<br>
>>> equipment? The license fees involved for software? There is a lot more to<br>
>>> consider than simply e-waste.<br>
>>> Crystal<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Areba Collins <<a href="mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com">arebacollins@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I cant believe this, are you guys actually arguing that having no<br>
>>>> computer is better than having one that is old, consumes lots of power<br>
>>>> and has only a few years left in it? Cause as far as the rest of it<br>
>>>> is concerned, quality is a function of competition.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 8/28/09, Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> > Listers Evans has raised a pertinent issue, we might not have made<br>
>>>> > some of<br>
>>>> > the strides we have achieved in the sector without the used computers,<br>
>>>> > on<br>
>>>> > the other hand there is an environmental concern that is valid, this<br>
>>>> > calls<br>
>>>> > for a multistakeholder approach to create a win win situation for our<br>
>>>> > local<br>
>>>> > business men (Remember the used car parts issue that sprang up early<br>
>>>> > this<br>
>>>> > year), NGO and any other organisation involved in the importation<br>
>>>> > process,<br>
>>>> > may be its time KEBS got involved in the process, reading through<br>
>>>> > Bills<br>
>>>> > email i am of the opinion that there might be some imbalance in the<br>
>>>> > way the<br>
>>>> > importation of the computers is handled, by the way i had there is a<br>
>>>> > facility for disposing off e-waste in Dandora, maybe Mr Tom Musili<br>
>>>> > could<br>
>>>> > shed some light on the issue, i wish we had statistics to help in<br>
>>>> > evaluating<br>
>>>> > the impact of the used computers.<br>
>>>> > Let the debate continue..<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bildad Kagai <<a href="mailto:billkagai@gmail.com">billkagai@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> > wrote:<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Victor Gathara wrote:<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> I am thinking here of donations of used computers that can<br>
>>>> >> make their way into the country through a regulated and monitored<br>
>>>> >> channel (such as ComputerAid) who will also have responsibility to<br>
>>>> >> ensure EOL disposal according to WEEE standards to prevent dumping of<br>
>>>> >> electronic waste.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Victor,<br>
>>>> >> In your position, you know very well that these second had computers<br>
>>>> >> are<br>
>>>> >> not donations. You can ask Tony Roberts how much he is paid to<br>
>>>> >> dispose a<br>
>>>> >> computer from Barclays in UK, that eventually finds its way to a<br>
>>>> >> school in<br>
>>>> >> Mau. And the Mau school pays for shipping and other costs....but<br>
>>>> >> besides<br>
>>>> >> all these politics......DFID<br>
>>>> >> might consider to fund a specific study comparing the final 'landed'<br>
>>>> >> cost<br>
>>>> >> of<br>
>>>> >> a dumped computer versus a 'clone' assembled with new parts at<br>
>>>> >> Crescent<br>
>>>> >> Technologies or JKUAT taking into consideration the kazi kwa vijana<br>
>>>> >> created....if it has not been done already. PS. I am speaking as a<br>
>>>> >> 'contributor' to this mess here, because I also have problems<br>
>>>> >> disposing my<br>
>>>> >> old computers and printers in the office. Most of the times, its<br>
>>>> >> easier to<br>
>>>> >> take them to a school in shags that cannot afford the electricity<br>
>>>> >> bills of<br>
>>>> >> running them...and... just live with the guilt like everyone else<br>
>>>> >> despite<br>
>>>> >> being labeled as The Hero who brought us computers.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> One reason IBM sold its hardware unit was because Moores Law states<br>
>>>> >> over<br>
>>>> >> time, the cost of hardware approaches zero and the cost of power<br>
>>>> >> consumption<br>
>>>> >> and capacity of the hardware doubles every 18 months. Thus, bringing<br>
>>>> >> 5<br>
>>>> >> year<br>
>>>> >> old computers to Kenya only drains too much power when we should<br>
>>>> >> strive to<br>
>>>> >> bring consumption per watt down. At least, just based on power<br>
>>>> >> consumption<br>
>>>> >> alone, dumped computer should never see the 'light of day' at the<br>
>>>> >> Kenyan<br>
>>>> >> port if locally assembled computers will consume half of the wattage<br>
>>>> >> today....especially now when everyone is striving to go green.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> <a href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000868.html" target="_blank">http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000868.html</a><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Google, for example, has watched its energy consumption almost double<br>
>>>> >> during the past three generations of upgrades to its sprawling<br>
>>>> >> computing<br>
>>>> >> infrastructure. *It recently unveiled a major new datacenter site in<br>
>>>> >> a<br>
>>>> >> remote part of Oregon, where power costs are a fraction of those at<br>
>>>> >> Google's<br>
>>>> >> home base in Silicon Valley.* But cheap power may not be enough. Last<br>
>>>> >> year, Google engineer Luiz Andr� Barroso predicted that energy costs<br>
>>>> >> would<br>
>>>> >> dwarf equipment costs -- "possibly by a large margin" -- if<br>
>>>> >> power-hungry<br>
>>>> >> datacenters didn't mend their ways. Barroso went on to warn that<br>
>>>> >> datacenters' growing appetite for power "could have serious<br>
>>>> >> consequences<br>
>>>> >> for<br>
>>>> >> the overall affordability of computing, not to mention the overall<br>
>>>> >> health<br>
>>>> >> of<br>
>>>> >> the planet."<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
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