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<DIV><FONT size=2>I agree with WS in any business venture it is only too logical
to consider the viability which always comes with costing. It is discouraging to
hear that we do not have figures and that the players must recover their
investments before prices are considered. is there a time space or do we just
accept the speeds with the current prices</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Anxious</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Jorum</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=emailsignet@mailcan.com href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">waudo
siganga</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=odiemo@gmail.com
href="mailto:odiemo@gmail.com">odiemo@gmail.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 31, 2009 4:04 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes
live?</DIV>
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<DIV>If I recall correctly we have been discussing these cables for some
years and there were figures of the anticipated dramatic price drop, even if
these were just estimates. Now we do not have figures?</DIV>
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<DIV>Waudo</DIV>
<DIV>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:58 +0300, "Michael Joseph" <<A
href="mailto:MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke">MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke</A>>
wrote:</DIV>
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<P><!--/*SC*/defang_FONT SIZE=2/*EC*/--><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: small">At
some risk let me say that I did not say that we first have to recover our
investment but said we must take that into account. Let's not make rash
assumptions about cost. I hear figures of costs that I have yet to see.
Prices will come down for sure but I do not have a figure. We would be
pretty stupid to invest nearly US$45 million in the fiber cables and price
it so that no one uses it.<BR><BR><BR>Regards<BR><BR>Michael
Joseph<BR>CEO<BR>Safaricom Limited<BR><BR>BlackBerry® powered by
Safaricom<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From:
kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
<kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke><BR>To:
Michael Joseph<BR>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><BR>Sent: Fri Jul 31 15:48:28
2009<BR>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?<BR><BR>Waudo<BR><BR>It was
more saddening to hear it from Michael Joseph. I wonder what PS Ndemo will
say on this. We are not calling for price regulation. We are calling for
transfer of benefits to users.<BR><BR>We beg if thats what we must do to be
heard<BR><BR>OH<BR><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
emailsignet@mailcan.com<BR>> Sent: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:26:05
+0300<BR>> To: onyango@inbox.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom
goes live?<BR>><BR>> I agree with Hatari. After all the hullabaloo
preeding this fibre<BR>> landings it is deflating to start hearing
stories that the benefits to<BR>> consumers will be minimised as
investments are recouped (after the<BR>> investments are re-couped will
the services be free?).<BR>><BR>> And Brian, Government licenses the
corporates to serve Wananchi. Both<BR>> these players must show
accountability to Wananchi.<BR>><BR>> Well done
Hatari.<BR>><BR>> Waudo<BR>><BR>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:41
-0800, "Onyango Hatari" <onyango@inbox.com><BR>> wrote:<BR>>>
Brian<BR>>><BR>>> Is there anywhere I mentione "everything"? Can
you address me on issues<BR>>> I<BR>>> raised and we should not
start engaging in flame mail and sideshows.<BR>>> Address my
issues.<BR>>><BR>>> OH<BR>>><BR>>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>>> From: blongwe@gmail.com<BR>>>> Sent:
Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:24:27 +0300<BR>>>> To:
onyango@inbox.com<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes
live?<BR>>>><BR>>>> hmm, so government and large
corporates are to blame for everything...<BR>>>> isn't that an
overly simple approach towards addressing solutions to<BR>>>> aid
our development?<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> On Fri, Jul
31, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Onyango Hatari<onyango@inbox.com><BR>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Guys<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Its disgusting listening and
watching Michael Joseph claim how the<BR>>>>>
investors<BR>>>>> must re-coup their investment. How much must
they continue to exploit<BR>>>>> their<BR>>>>>
clients to "re-coup their investments"? The price of brea was 100
and<BR>>>>> now<BR>>>>> has gone to 10 and the
retailer is still charging 100 just to "re-coup<BR>>>>>
their<BR>>>>>
investment"?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Is this the same MJ who
said that the cost of doing business in Kenya<BR>>>>>
is<BR>>>>> expensive. Thats an investor must invest in a 4WD,
security and such?<BR>>>>> Then I<BR>>>>> wondered
why we must have investors who cant even afford a
4WD?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> We would rather have the kadogo
economy than big ones who continue to<BR>>>>> exploit Kenyans
even when they hinted how much costs will go down. The<BR>>>>>
big<BR>>>>> mistake is that now PS Ndemo who is representing the
government is<BR>>>>>
quiet.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Michael, please can we see
the transfer of savings to the common man.<BR>>>>>
Thats<BR>>>>> when Kenyans will appreciate you. We must not see
atleas the cost of<BR>>>>> 300<BR>>>>>
MB<BR>>>>> coming from 1,000 to Ksh 500. That way you will still
be making big<BR>>>>> profits<BR>>>>> but we will
understand you.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> We need a government
which cares for its citizens<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
OH<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>>>> From: warigia@gmail.com<BR>>>>>
Sent: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:19:19 +0300<BR>>>>> To:
onyango@inbox.com<BR>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes
live?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Dear Brian and
Michael<BR>>>>> So, what is the best way for the common
mwananchi to take advantage of<BR>>>>> these<BR>>>>>
higher speeds? Will we experience them if we have the small dial
up<BR>>>>> through<BR>>>>> safaricom or do we need
new equipment.<BR>>>>> Sincerely,
Warigia<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at
12:07 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe<BR>>>>>
<blongwe@gmail.com><BR>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> As usual Michael, you are
right! I did a traceroute (connected on<BR>>>>>
Onecom/Safaricom)<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> As you can see it
hops into London and gets onto AS6453 in London<BR>>>>> which
belongs to Tata.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Brian<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> BryoNet:~ macbook$ traceroute
www.yahoo.com<BR>>>>> traceroute to www.wa1.b.yahoo.com
(69.147.76.15), 64 hops max, 40 byte<BR>>>>>
packets<BR>>>>> 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)
1.302 ms 0.689 ms 0.677 ms<BR>>>>> 2
41-203-221-209.onecom.co.ke (41.203.221.209) 15.363 ms
4.641 ms<BR>>>>> 4.172<BR>>>>>
ms<BR>>>>> 3 41-203-216-12.onecom.co.ke
(41.203.216.12) 20.489 ms 6.503 ms<BR>>>>>
3.367<BR>>>>> ms<BR>>>>> 4
41-203-220-17.onecom.co.ke (41.203.220.17) 5.089 ms 16.715
ms<BR>>>>> 5.910<BR>>>>> ms<BR>>>>>
5 41-203-220-2.onecom.co.ke (41.203.220.2) 5.636 ms
4.041 ms<BR>>>>> 4.873<BR>>>>>
ms<BR>>>>> 6 196.201.222.17 (196.201.222.17)
12.243 ms 4.722 ms 4.986 ms<BR>>>>> 7
if-12-1-3.mcore3.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.195.189)
238.321<BR>>>>> ms 183.554 ms 187.807
ms<BR>>>>> 8
if-5-0-0-903.core3.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net
(195.219.195.154)<BR>>>>> 272.541 ms 274.972 ms
279.118 ms<BR>>>>> 9
ix-3-0-9.core3.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net (216.6.51.30) 287.170
ms<BR>>>>> 281.733 ms 277.584 ms<BR>>>>> 10
ae2-p140.msr1.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.108.57) 272.322
ms<BR>>>>> ae1-p150.msr2.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.108.21)
276.266 ms 269.433
ms<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>> On Wed, Jul
29, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Michael<BR>>>>>
Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke><BR>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>> I think they are using Tata from Mumbai but I
may be wrong. Also<BR>>>>>> comprehensive tests are not
complete but nevertheless it gave us an<BR>>>>>> opportunity
to experience much faster speeds which can only get<BR>>>>>>
better.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Michael<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
CEO<BR>>>>>> Safaricom
Limited<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>>>>>> From:
kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<BR>>>>>>
[<A
href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>]<BR>>>>>>
On<BR>>>>>> Behalf Of Maliti, Tom<BR>>>>>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:46 AM<BR>>>>>> To: Michael
Joseph<BR>>>>>> Cc: ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions<BR>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes
live?<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Asante sana
Brian.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> I also pinged while
connected to a 1Gbps SEACOM connection last week<BR>>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>> Mombasa and got similar numbers to what you
got.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> The point is this: we
have fiber in Kenya but our service providers<BR>>>>>>
are<BR>>>>>> not taking it up, even if it is backup. There
have been discussions<BR>>>>>> on<BR>>>>>>
this<BR>>>>>> list and other fora about the urgency of fiber
for a slew of big and<BR>>>>>> small<BR>>>>>>
companies as well just you and I to be able to stream video
without<BR>>>>>> interruption or spend less time on email
(made possible by high speed<BR>>>>>> connections). Somehow
our service providers, with the exception of<BR>>>>>>
one,<BR>>>>>> do<BR>>>>>> not get
that.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Unless of course there
are others who already have.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Tom Maliti<BR>>>>>> Correspondent<BR>>>>>>
East Africa Bureau<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Direct
line: +254 20 285 9109<BR>>>>>> Office line: +254 20 285
9000<BR>>>>>>
+254 734 555 252<BR>>>>>> Fax: +254 20
2724726<BR>>>>>> Mobile +254 733 641
984<BR>>>>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>>>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe [<A
href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">mailto:blongwe@gmail.com</A>]<BR>>>>>>
Sent: 29 July 2009 11:24<BR>>>>>> To: Maliti,
Tom<BR>>>>>> Cc: ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions<BR>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes
live?<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Hi
Tom,<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> SEACOM indeed started
providing services last week, however the<BR>>>>>>
service<BR>>>>>> being provided is not the *complete* SEACOM
project.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> I understand that
what they lit up is the portion that connects SAT-3<BR>>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>> South Africa upto Mombasa - therefore the
international link is going<BR>>>>>>
via<BR>>>>>> SAT-3. The *complete* system as per their
technical drawings connects<BR>>>>>>
from<BR>>>>>> Mumbai, India into Djibouti and thence across
the EA seaboard. What<BR>>>>>> we<BR>>>>>>
have<BR>>>>>> now is more of capacity on their
"backup"<BR>>>>>> system. A traceroute or 'ping' across their
present link reveals a<BR>>>>>> round-trip-time (RTT) of
about 140ms-240ms - this is due to the<BR>>>>>>
congestion<BR>>>>>> on SAT-3. A real "end-to-end" fiber
system should yield RTT of<BR>>>>>>
between<BR>>>>>> 7-30ms.... they, nevertheless called it a
"launch"<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Needless to say,
this is much better performance than the satellite<BR>>>>>>
that<BR>>>>>> we are used to, thus the excitement is
definitely worth it's while -<BR>>>>>> but
it<BR>>>>>> will be much more exciting once the true
end-to-end services of<BR>>>>>>
either<BR>>>>>> SEACOM, TEAMS or others lights
up.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Regards,<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Brian<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009
at 10:58 AM, Maliti, Tom<tmaliti@ap.org>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>> Dear
Walu,<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> It is almost a
week since SEACOM went live and there does not
seem<BR>>>>>>> to<BR>>>>>>> be that much
excitement or response despite the many
discussions<BR>>>>>>> that<BR>>>>>>>
have been dedicated to broadband on this
list.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Your question
at the end of your email is still valid. Or is
it<BR>>>>>>> possible our varied service providers were
not prepared,<BR>>>>>>>
irrespective<BR>>>>>>> of what they say in public? It
seems, however, one service provider<BR>>>>>>> was ready:
Safaricom. Their service has been on fiber since
Saturday<BR>>>>>>> and anyone who is on their data
services has been enjoying the high<BR>>>>>>> speeds that
have been talked about for
years.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Does anyone
know of any others?<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
Tom Maliti<BR>>>>>>>
Correspondent<BR>>>>>>> East Africa
Bureau<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Direct line:
+254 20 285 9109<BR>>>>>>> Office line: +254 20 285
9000<BR>>>>>>>
+254 734 555 252<BR>>>>>>> Fax: +254 20
2724726<BR>>>>>>> Mobile +254 733 641
984<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
________________________________<BR>>>>>>> From:
kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke<BR>>>>>>>
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href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke">mailto:kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>]
On<BR>>>>>>> Behalf Of Walubengo
J<BR>>>>>>> Sent: 23 July 2009
17:18<BR>>>>>>> To: Maliti,
Tom<BR>>>>>>> Cc: skunk; ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions<BR>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Seacom goes
live?<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> <A
href="http://twitter.com/SeacomLive/">http://twitter.com/SeacomLive/</A><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
Jst reading from Twitter that Seacom has gone live. Not sure if
its<BR>>>>>>> only in .TZ though. Any impact in
.KE? Ama we are still waiting<BR>>>>>>>
for<BR>>>>>>> our very own
TEAMS?<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
Tunajivunia?<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
walu.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
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