<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div>In my opinion,<div>1. [For profit - Seacom] sounds like a brilliant business model.</div><div>2. [Means-to-an-end - TEAMS]: I have done a bit of economics upto Uni level and finally...the only economic model they did not teach at UoN (established by an Act of Parliament).</div><div><br></div><div>Sounds like Teams has already waged a price war with no products in the market yet. </div><div>I can bet Brian for free that if Teams is cheaper (reasonably) than Seacom, then 'kalubu' on me...that day.</div><div><br></div><div>Walu - Kalubu is local content (fermented not digitized - but u can also say - shaken not stirred) that we partake responsibly during those kilelembe nights.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 28, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hi john,<br><br>Well, I had opted not to comment on this, but since you asked....<br><br>There are a number of different ways to go about major infrastructure development:<br>1) For-Profit: Put together a business case with a clear Return-On-Investment (ROI) benefit; go out and find the money, then build and deploy - hopefully the market will respond well and the investors get their return (e.g. SEACOM)<br> 2) Means-to-an-end: Determine the total costs for the project, go to the primary stakeholders; Oil companies in the case of oil pipelines, gas companies in the case of gas companies, operators & ISPs in the case of bandwidth; sell them the concept of delivering the commodity to themselves at cost (or as near to cost as possible); set up an "Operations & Maintenance" structure which levies the same parties; build and deploy; once the bandwidth is delivered it's a "free-for-all" in the marketplace - with <b>COSTS</b> at a very low level, prices will evenetually follow due to competition (e.g. TEAMs and EASSY)<br> <br>This is one of the main reasons why projects such as TEAMs and EASSY have faced stiff opposition, criticism and outright attempted sabotage - because they have the potential to cut the feet out from under any similar commercial venture.<br> <br><br>Regards,<br><br>Brian<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM, John Walubengo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> Thanx Sam, Victor, Brian, Faima, Mwende & Bill for your quick contributions...am sure there are more insights out there. Plse share using easily understandable wordings for the benefit of our international Listers...<br> <br> >>Bill, - "Bubudiu mbovu" - when I was growing up, this used to mean "misleading propaganda" was that your intepretation of the "TEAMS project not aiming to make money out of the cable" comment from Brian?<br> <br> walu.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Bildad Kagai <<a href="mailto:billkagai@gmail.com">billkagai@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > From: Bildad Kagai <<a href="mailto:billkagai@gmail.com">billkagai@gmail.com</a>><br> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] IG Discussions- Day 2 of 10: Infrastructure Issues-Submarine Cables<br> > To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br> > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:28 PM<br> <div><div></div><div class="h5">> On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe wrote:<br> ><br> > > Don't forget that TEAMs is a<br> > 'developmental' cable system i.e. it's investors<br> > are not aiming to make any money out of the cable itself<br> ><br> > Bubudiu mbovu.<br> ><br> </div></div><div class="im">> _______________________________________________<br> > kictanet mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br> > <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br> ><br> </div>> This message was sent to: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br> <div class="im">> Unsubscribe or change your options at<br> </div>> <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com</a><br> <div class="im"><br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> kictanet mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br> <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br> <br> </div>This message was sent to: <a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a><br> Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com</a><br> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Brian Munyao Longwe<br>e-mail: <a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a><br>cell: + 254 722 518 744<br>blog : <a href="http://zinjlog.blogspot.com">http://zinjlog.blogspot.com</a><br> meta-blog: <a href="http://mashilingi.blogspot.com">http://mashilingi.blogspot.com</a><br> _______________________________________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet<br><br>This message was sent to: billkagai@gmail.com<br>Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/billkagai%40gmail.com<br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>