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color=#0000ff size=2>David</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for this. As previously mentioned to listers I am
trying to gauge the value of donors engaging in the ICT sector in Kenya. I
appreciate I am a late entrant to the list and wonder whether there have been
any who have trod this path before. Is the donor community
sufficiently engaged in the ICT field in Kenya? Should they be? Personally
I think there is a lot for Kenya to benefit from some form of engagement (not
only funds transfer). I would have liked to attend attend the stakeholders
forum on the Kenya communications act that David mentions, but I am not
sufficiently plugged in. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Victor</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>ps: Apologies for not participating in the vote Walu but
didn't see your discussion topic. Seem to get some and miss some...problems with
the list admin?</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>David Otwoma<BR><B>Sent:</B> 04 March 2009 08:35<BR><B>To:</B>
Victor Gathara<BR><B>Cc:</B> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [kictanet] Day 6 of 10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee
amaTusiendelee?(VoteResults)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Dear Walu,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There was a whole day meeting on 9th January 2009 at KICC dubbed
'Stakeholders Forum on the Kenya Communication Amendment Act 2008'. Ezekiel
Mutua, Director of Information and Public Communication was the convenor and in
toe there were many speakers inculing the Minister for I&C; Chair of
Parliamentary Committee on Infrastructure, Energy, Information etc.; ex MP
Koigi; representatives of media owners; clergy; journalists; civil society; etc.
etc.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I liked the presentation by Kenya ICT Federation. They numerated issues
they had raised when the Bill was in its 2nd and 3rd reading before the
Parliamentary Committee but none of their inputs were added to the Act. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Takin a cue from the foregoing and the recent activities (yesterday there
was an KEPSA ICT Sector Board along with the ICT Sector stakeholders meeting
this afternoon at 3.30pm with the Kenya ICT Board) where one of the agendas was
Kenya Communication Amendment Act, 2008 – status!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Smell the kahawa bwana.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Kind regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>David<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:16 PM, John Walubengo <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><BR>By
the way Listers,<BR><BR>Mob apologies. Last discussion topic on the
Kenya Amendment Act got into a voting stage to decide whether we go beyond
media issues (which we had covered) by getting into IT, Telco and Postal
Issues. Here is how members voted or (did not)<BR><BR>Abstained: 1<BR>YES: we
go into IT, Telco, Postal issues:2<BR>NO: we stop and compile media discussion
report: 3<BR>Kept Quiet(dont know?): 360.<BR><BR>So that is how the discussion
died - and so will compile the media discussion and share within 1week from
today (not very efficient but its because I got quite discouraged by the
overwhelming number of the "Quiet" viza vis the
"Voters").<BR><BR>walu.<BR><BR>--- On Mon, 1/19/09, <A
href="mailto:n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk">n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk</A> <<A
href="mailto:n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk">n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk">n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk</A> <<A
href="mailto:n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk">n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk</A>><BR>>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 6 of 10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee
amaTusiendelee?(Paused)<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</A><BR>> Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT
Policy Discussions'" <<A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>><BR>>
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 11:47 PM<BR>> Yes<BR>> Sent from my
BlackBerry®<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: "Pamela"
<<A
href="mailto:pamela@cardiacimplants.com">pamela@cardiacimplants.com</A>><BR>><BR>>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:59:02<BR>> To: <<A
href="mailto:n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk">n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk</A>><BR>>
Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy<BR>> Discussions'<<A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>><BR>>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 6 of 10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee ama<BR>>
Tusiendelee?(Paused)<BR>><BR>><BR>> Yes<BR>><BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From:<BR>> kictanet-bounces+pamela=<A
href="http://cardiacimplants.com/" target=_blank>cardiacimplants.com</A>@<A
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/"
target=_blank>lists.kictanet.or.ke</A><BR>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bpamela">kictanet-bounces+pamela</A>=<A
href="http://cardiacimplants.com/" target=_blank>cardiacimplants.com</A>@<A
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/"
target=_blank>lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>]<BR>> On<BR>> Behalf Of John
Walubengo<BR>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:01 PM<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:pamela@cardiacimplants.com">pamela@cardiacimplants.com</A><BR>>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<BR>> Subject: [kictanet] Day 6 of
10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee ama<BR>> Tusiendelee?(Paused)<BR>><BR>> Bill,
Nyaki et al,<BR>><BR>> You got me been thinking...we have NOT been
asking Listers<BR>> on what THEY want<BR>> discussed. No wonder
participation/contributions have been<BR>> declining over<BR>> the
years...<BR>><BR>> I just thought we should do a reality check and ask
-<BR>> should we discuss the<BR>> Kenya Communications Act 2008 in
totality or we just wrap<BR>> up what has been<BR>> said so
far?<BR>><BR>> We are over 300 Listers and I only need at least (10%)
that<BR>> is 30 'Ayes or<BR>> Yes' votes between now and end of tomorrow
(Tue 20th<BR>> Jan 2009) in order to<BR>> continue.<BR>><BR>>
eMail in your vote to the LIST (transparency), starting now<BR>> and I will
just<BR>> do the tallying - i will avoid Form16A ;-).<BR>><BR>>
walu.<BR>> Let the people decide.<BR>><BR>> --- On Sun, 1/18/09,
Catherine Adeya<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com">elizaslider@yahoo.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> > From: Catherine Adeya <<A
href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com">elizaslider@yahoo.com</A>><BR>> >
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 of 10-KCA 2008, IT<BR>> Section - the Bad
+<BR>> Recommendations<BR>> > To: <A
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</A><BR>> > Cc: "KICTAnet
ICT Policy Discussions"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>><BR>>
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:16 AM<BR>> > I do agree with the
authors (I believe from an IDRC<BR>> > publication) who wrote ".....the
link between<BR>> policy<BR>> > research and policy-making is<BR>>
> non-linear. Researchers must be flexible and agile in<BR>>
their<BR>> > timing and<BR>> > approaches if they are to influence
economic policies.<BR>> They<BR>> > should be<BR>> > willing
and able to re-assess the situation at any<BR>> point in<BR>> > time,
and<BR>> > to re-visit their course of action or strategy".<BR>>
><BR>> > Failing to plan is planning to fail. Research is not<BR>>
for<BR>> > research sake; research should and can inform policy.<BR>>
Many<BR>> > research centres were created in response to the
need<BR>> to<BR>> > develop<BR>> > policies that are
home-grown, given the context of the<BR>> > failures of<BR>> >
imported policies. Many policymakers run back to the<BR>> very<BR>> >
researchers who they would listened to in the first<BR>> place to<BR>>
> ensure they work in partnership; however researchers<BR>> must<BR>>
> work in a timely manner. Essentially, Walu, is on the<BR>>
right<BR>> > track.<BR>> ><BR>> > Best,<BR>> ><BR>>
> Nyaki<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >
________________________________<BR>> > From: Bill Kagai <<A
href="mailto:billkagai@gmail.com">billkagai@gmail.com</A>><BR>> > To:
<A href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com">elizaslider@yahoo.com</A><BR>> >
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<BR>> > <<A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>><BR>>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:23:42 AM<BR>> > Subject: Re:
[kictanet] Day 5 of 10-KCA 2008, IT<BR>> Section -<BR>> > the Bad +
Recommendations<BR>> ><BR>> > OK, I am convinced. This
discussion is to do with<BR>> research<BR>> > and I commend
that.<BR>> > The only catch I can foresee is captured very well
by<BR>> > Physicist Dr. Angeyo Kalambuka...quoting him verbatim,<BR>>
><BR>> > [However, normally, academics look backward to find<BR>>
> lessons;<BR>> > policymakers look ahead and often must
improvise.<BR>> Academics<BR>> > can wait<BR>> > until all the
facts are in; policymakers cannot. The<BR>> time<BR>> > horizon
of<BR>> > academics may be years; the horizon of policymakers,<BR>>
weeks,<BR>> > days, even<BR>> > hours.]<BR>> ><BR>> >
Source -<BR>> ><BR>> <A
href="http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/513790/-/428722/-/index.html"
target=_blank>http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/513790/-/428722/-/index.html</A><BR>>
><BR>> > This is the key difference between David Makali and<BR>>
co.<BR>> > (who are making<BR>> > things happen and shaping the
future) and 'us'<BR>> who<BR>> > are waiting to<BR>> > derive
research from the action Media policy makers<BR>> take.<BR>> > That
is why<BR>> > they are a step ahead of us. Walu is our
Academician.<BR>> Where<BR>> > are our<BR>> > policy makers who
will influence our future??<BR>> ><BR>> > Bill<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:32 AM,
Barrack Otieno<BR>> > <<A
href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > If<BR>> > i may contribute to this
exchange i think the<BR>> discussion is<BR>> > important<BR>> >
Bill. The Law is already in place , however everyone<BR>> seems<BR>>
> to be having<BR>> > their own opinion on the Pro's and Cons of the
New<BR>> law<BR>> > which is<BR>> > counterproductive in the
long run for the sector.Dont<BR>> > forget there are<BR>> > vested
interests and sideshows in this whole Law<BR>> > issue, as practitioners
it is important that we are<BR>> all<BR>> > informed on the<BR>>
> benefits (or good tidings) that the new new law brings<BR>>
and<BR>> > the<BR>> > challenges it might bring to the sector in
the long<BR>> run.In<BR>> > short as<BR>> > others are
submitting their petitions let the debate<BR>> > continue, we
were<BR>> > challenged at the Hilton Forum to embrace Research
and<BR>> the<BR>> > kind of<BR>> > information being exchanged
on this forum is of utmost<BR>> > importance to<BR>> > all
members.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:55
PM, John Walubengo<BR>> > <<A
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>
><BR>> > Bill,<BR>> ><BR>> > I<BR>> > have no game
plan, I am an Academician and so find<BR>> that I<BR>> > am able
to<BR>> > look at this issues from each stakeholders perspective<BR>>
> relatively<BR>> > objectively - and yes my effort was
'duly'<BR>> > commissioned by the<BR>> > KICTANet National
Cordinator - though not digitally<BR>> signed<BR>> > :-(.<BR>>
><BR>> > This 10day exercise is not intended in anywway to<BR>>
undermine<BR>> > any<BR>> > other 'fact-finding' exercise and I
believe<BR>> the<BR>> > Ministry (of Info) does<BR>> > have the
resources to multi-task and receive ideas<BR>> from<BR>> >
face-2-face<BR>> > workshops, online workshops, et al.<BR>>
><BR>> > With regard to timeliness - last I heard was that
Wako<BR>> (AG)<BR>> > and/or<BR>> > Parliament can only begin
to debate the suggested<BR>> > recommendations/proposals in April 2009
under a new<BR>> Bill.<BR>> > So my take is<BR>> > that we have
enough time for KICTAnet, ISACA and/or<BR>> any<BR>> > other<BR>>
> Stakeholder to submit their ideas.<BR>> ><BR>> > Why go into
the other Sections -IT, Telco, Postal,<BR>> etc?.<BR>> > Again,
my<BR>> > brief was to do total review of ALL sections - avoid<BR>>
being<BR>> > trapped in<BR>> > the over-hyped Media vs Govt debate
because all the<BR>> other<BR>> > sections are<BR>> > important
too and could stand to benefit from a<BR>> review.<BR>> ><BR>>
> I attach the Program Outline which I posted on Day 1<BR>> and<BR>>
> looks like<BR>> > you missed it (hence your suspicions?).
Nevertheless,<BR>> If<BR>> > members wish<BR>> > that we rest
the discussion, I will close the<BR>> discussion<BR>> > and move
out<BR>> > of the Chair accordingly.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
>
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