No!!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Foundation Piling Limited <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fes@iconnect.co.ke">fes@iconnect.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 6 of 10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee ama<br>
Tusiendelee?(Paused)<br>
<br>
Yes<br>
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Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
Subject: [kictanet] Day 6 of 10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee ama Tusiendelee?(Paused)<br>
<br>
Bill, Nyaki et al,<br>
<br>
You got me been thinking...we have NOT been asking Listers on what THEY want<br>
discussed. No wonder participation/contributions have been declining over<br>
the years...<br>
<br>
I just thought we should do a reality check and ask - should we discuss the<br>
Kenya Communications Act 2008 in totality or we just wrap up what has been<br>
said so far?<br>
<br>
We are over 300 Listers and I only need at least (10%) that is 30 'Ayes or<br>
Yes' votes between now and end of tomorrow (Tue 20th Jan 2009) in order to<br>
continue.<br>
<br>
eMail in your vote to the LIST (transparency), starting now and I will just<br>
do the tallying - i will avoid Form16A ;-).<br>
<br>
walu.<br>
Let the people decide.<br>
<br>
--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Catherine Adeya <<a href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com">elizaslider@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> From: Catherine Adeya <<a href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com">elizaslider@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 of 10-KCA 2008, IT Section - the Bad +<br>
Recommendations<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:16 AM<br>
> I do agree with the authors (I believe from an IDRC<br>
> publication) who wrote ".....the link between policy<br>
> research and policy-making is<br>
> non-linear. Researchers must be flexible and agile in their<br>
> timing and<br>
> approaches if they are to influence economic policies. They<br>
> should be<br>
> willing and able to re-assess the situation at any point in<br>
> time, and<br>
> to re-visit their course of action or strategy".<br>
><br>
> Failing to plan is planning to fail. Research is not for<br>
> research sake; research should and can inform policy. Many<br>
> research centres were created in response to the need to<br>
> develop<br>
> policies that are home-grown, given the context of the<br>
> failures of<br>
> imported policies. Many policymakers run back to the very<br>
> researchers who they would listened to in the first place to<br>
> ensure they work in partnership; however researchers must<br>
> work in a timely manner. Essentially, Walu, is on the right<br>
> track.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Nyaki<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: Bill Kagai <<a href="mailto:billkagai@gmail.com">billkagai@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com">elizaslider@yahoo.com</a><br>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:23:42 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 of 10-KCA 2008, IT Section -<br>
> the Bad + Recommendations<br>
><br>
> OK, I am convinced. This discussion is to do with research<br>
> and I commend that.<br>
> The only catch I can foresee is captured very well by<br>
> Physicist Dr. Angeyo Kalambuka...quoting him verbatim,<br>
><br>
> [However, normally, academics look backward to find<br>
> lessons;<br>
> policymakers look ahead and often must improvise. Academics<br>
> can wait<br>
> until all the facts are in; policymakers cannot. The time<br>
> horizon of<br>
> academics may be years; the horizon of policymakers, weeks,<br>
> days, even<br>
> hours.]<br>
><br>
> Source -<br>
> <a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/513790/-/428722/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/513790/-/428722/-/index.html</a><br>
><br>
> This is the key difference between David Makali and co.<br>
> (who are making<br>
> things happen and shaping the future) and 'us' who<br>
> are waiting to<br>
> derive research from the action Media policy makers take.<br>
> That is why<br>
> they are a step ahead of us. Walu is our Academician. Where<br>
> are our<br>
> policy makers who will influence our future??<br>
><br>
> Bill<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Barrack Otieno<br>
> <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> If<br>
> i may contribute to this exchange i think the discussion is<br>
> important<br>
> Bill. The Law is already in place , however everyone seems<br>
> to be having<br>
> their own opinion on the Pro's and Cons of the New law<br>
> which is<br>
> counterproductive in the long run for the sector.Dont<br>
> forget there are<br>
> vested interests and sideshows in this whole Law<br>
> issue, as practitioners it is important that we are all<br>
> informed on the<br>
> benefits (or good tidings) that the new new law brings and<br>
> the<br>
> challenges it might bring to the sector in the long run.In<br>
> short as<br>
> others are submitting their petitions let the debate<br>
> continue, we were<br>
> challenged at the Hilton Forum to embrace Research and the<br>
> kind of<br>
> information being exchanged on this forum is of utmost<br>
> importance to<br>
> all members.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:55 PM, John Walubengo<br>
> <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Bill,<br>
><br>
> I<br>
> have no game plan, I am an Academician and so find that I<br>
> am able to<br>
> look at this issues from each stakeholders perspective<br>
> relatively<br>
> objectively - and yes my effort was 'duly'<br>
> commissioned by the<br>
> KICTANet National Cordinator - though not digitally signed<br>
> :-(.<br>
><br>
> This 10day exercise is not intended in anywway to undermine<br>
> any<br>
> other 'fact-finding' exercise and I believe the<br>
> Ministry (of Info) does<br>
> have the resources to multi-task and receive ideas from<br>
> face-2-face<br>
> workshops, online workshops, et al.<br>
><br>
> With regard to timeliness - last I heard was that Wako (AG)<br>
> and/or<br>
> Parliament can only begin to debate the suggested<br>
> recommendations/proposals in April 2009 under a new Bill.<br>
> So my take is<br>
> that we have enough time for KICTAnet, ISACA and/or any<br>
> other<br>
> Stakeholder to submit their ideas.<br>
><br>
> Why go into the other Sections -IT, Telco, Postal, etc?.<br>
> Again, my<br>
> brief was to do total review of ALL sections - avoid being<br>
> trapped in<br>
> the over-hyped Media vs Govt debate because all the other<br>
> sections are<br>
> important too and could stand to benefit from a review.<br>
><br>
> I attach the Program Outline which I posted on Day 1 and<br>
> looks like<br>
> you missed it (hence your suspicions?). Nevertheless, If<br>
> members wish<br>
> that we rest the discussion, I will close the discussion<br>
> and move out<br>
> of the Chair accordingly.<br>
><br>
><br>
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