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<DIV>I concure with Harry here that a separate ministry be established to handle ICT issues leaving the existing to the Media. Its now true that ; the Media is eating into the ICT or the two are fighting each other; but who will be on the receivng end?????????? we ? or who ?</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> jlobore@yahoo.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, January 6, 2009 12:32:25 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [kictanet] Kibaki signs Bill into law<BR></FONT><BR>Dear Waudo and all,<BR><BR>I hear you on this and it has been my position that convergence is a good<BR>thing but its only happening in technology and not law and therefore<BR>developing a convergence law was definitely going to pose major challenges,<BR>not just of acceptance but even its implementation.<BR><BR>Having said that, I think Waudo is right again that we should be bold enough<BR>and seek a separate ministry for ICT that will be responsible for
anything<BR>ICT in the country. This will bring all the agencies that are currently<BR>existing under one roof. I have in mind CCK, NCS, ICT Board, Directorate of<BR>eGov (OP), GITS (Treasury). And in this we propose to have a legally<BR>constituted consumer consultative board to look at consumer issues in the<BR>sector. <BR><BR>Kindest regards<BR>Harry<BR><BR>On 1/5/09 6:35 PM, "waudo siganga" <<A href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com" ymailto="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>> Thanks for noting the changing goal posts in terms of the title of this<BR>> Law Alice. In fact a short while ago some referred to it as the "ICT<BR>> Bill" before briefly reverting to Kenya Communications (Amendment) Bill<BR>> 2008 and then finally resting at "Media Bill". For me I think I<BR>> understand the reasons for this confusion, particularly for the public:<BR>> this is a compound Law in one basket.
The lesson I learn is that in<BR>> future we need to change some things otherwise it is possible to reach a<BR>> stage where useful ICT Policy, Legislative and regulatory development<BR>> processes are held back by things that really have nothing to do with<BR>> ICT. What if the courier services who are now regulated by this Law had<BR>> successfully opposed it? We would be missing e-transactions legislation<BR>> simply because of a function that has nothing to do with ICT.<BR>> For starters, the Government should restructure so that we have an ICT<BR>> only Ministry like they have in India, Egypt, Mauritius and other<BR>> countries worth copying. For many years after independence we had a<BR>> Ministry of Information and Broadcasting. That Minstry should be revived<BR>> to focus on the interests of our media brothers.<BR>> Right now it is very difficult to pin down what is "ICT" in Kenya. Some<BR>> of the issues
being brought under the umbrella of "ICT" are those that<BR>> the real ICT people cannot contribute to. Some people are saying<BR>> everything is OK because of "convergence". But as can be seen, even<BR>> trying to converge Laws is an issue unto itself.<BR>> <BR>> Waudo<BR>> On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:47:32 +0300, "alice" <<A href="mailto:alice@apc.org" ymailto="mailto:alice@apc.org">alice@apc.org</A>> said:<BR>>> I agree and for Pete's/Jane's sake could media drop the "media bill"<BR>>> reference. It is the Kenya Communications (Amendment) bill 2008, which<BR>>> covers much much more than broadcasting issues. and much more<BR>>> importantly it finally deals with issues of convergence from a<BR>>> technological, content, regulatory, as well as economic perspective. it<BR>>> is important that the communications "sector" adapts to this global<BR>>> convergence trend/scenario,
because it will provide for expansion of<BR>>> universal access to ICTs, in terms of reducing costs while stimulating<BR>>> economic and social growth. This can only be done through appropriate<BR>>> ICT policy and regulatory mechanisms, which the bill provides for.<BR>>> <BR>>> What we should be focusing on are the challenges that will come with<BR>>> this dynamic because adaption to convergence is not the end point.<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> best<BR>>> alice<BR>>> <BR>>> p.s. views are personal and not a reflection of any of the<BR>>> institutions/organisations I am affiliated with.<BR>>> <BR>>>> Great suggestions,<BR>>>> <BR>>>> I feel we can support the media but not in-toto.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> First, it would be nice of the MoA et. al. to let go of the negative<BR>>>> "Media Bill" campaign and engage
constructively with other players.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Secondly, media should consider calling ICT advocacy personalities to<BR>>>> a forum where they can share how ICT issues have successfully been<BR>>>> incorporated without the animosity that is common when advocating for<BR>>>> media issues.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> I believe the media needs to feel secure that if their arguments are<BR>>>> valid, they'll have our undivided support....issue by issue.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Wainaina<BR>>>> <BR>>>> On 1/4/09, Bill Kagai <<A href="mailto:billkagai@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:billkagai@gmail.com">billkagai@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>>> The 4 fundamentals;<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> 1. When the Media fraternity suggested the bill be rejected in-toto, ICT<BR>>>>> sector players felt this was akin to pouring
the birth water together with<BR>>>>> the baby. Personally I am happy the ICT issues did not go down the drain.<BR>>>>> And I think that was what many of us were asking for.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> 2. The Media has genuine concerns as Haron Ndubi articulated in his legal<BR>>>>> opinion on the probibity of the bill. However, the Media completely blacked<BR>>>>> out ICT sector concerns during our campaign to have the bill signed. We<BR>>>>> even<BR>>>>> went out of the way to show the remedies to the issues through the<BR>>>>> miscelleneous amendment bill as suggested in the very fast legal opinion<BR>>>>> whose author requested we keep his/her identity anonymous.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> 3. ICT players and especially Kictanet ought to prove it's the bigger<BR>>>>> wo/man<BR>>>>> by showing solidarity in
the front-line with our cousins in the Media<BR>>>>> looking for a way out of the quagmire. We do not have to ignore them simply<BR>>>>> because they refused to side with us in our campaign.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> 4. We are extremely careless in handling crisis. If you are familiar with<BR>>>>> Newton's method of factoring variable change and the Monty Hall<BR>>>>> Paradox<<A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_paradox" target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_paradox</A>>,<BR>>>>> then we can analyse the options the President had mathematically.<BR>>>>> 4a) Sign Bill<BR>>>>> 4b) Don't Sign Bill<BR>>>>> 4c) Do nothing and hold Kenyans in suspense.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Each option had a 33% probability of being the 'right' decision. So,<BR>>>>> assuming he had not seen the bill
earlier since he was not the author and<BR>>>>> had decided not to sign the bill following the Media owners petition, was<BR>>>>> it<BR>>>>> wise to change his decision from 'Don't Sign' to 'Sign'??<BR>>>>> Monty Hall <<A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_paradox" target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_paradox</A>> proves that<BR>>>>> changing the decision increases the probability of getting it 'right' to<BR>>>>> 66.6%. And that is proven by the fact that we [in ICT] feel content and<BR>>>>> support ways of also making our brothers in the media achieve 'State of<BR>>>>> Nirvana'. This bill will also give the Minister of Finance some head-up<BR>>>>> before he dismisses innovations such as M-Pesa without prior knowledge.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> Conclusion;<BR>>>>> For Makali, Openda,
Kaikai and other leading Media personalities who I know<BR>>>>> are on this list, why don't you invite ICT stakeholders in to your media<BR>>>>> stations to engage Kenyans on what is good and what is bad in the ICT [not<BR>>>>> Media] bill so that we can fight together against what we feel is not<BR>>>>> good??<BR>>>>> This has nothing to do with whether the grand coalition will hold or not,<BR>>>>> since neither the Right Honourable nor His Excellency drafted this bill. We<BR>>>>> did and the buck should stop with us!!!<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> --<BR>>>>> Bildad Kagai<BR>>>>> MD - MediaCorp Limited<BR>>>>> Nairobi Stock Exchange Authorised Information Vendor<BR>>>>> Suite B2, Tetu Court, State House Avenue<BR>>>>> P. O. Box 20311 - 00200<BR>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya<BR>>>>>
Tel. 254 20 272 8332<BR>>>>> Fax. Rendered Obsolete<BR>>>>> S - 1�17'13.8"<BR>>>>> E - 36�48'22.7"<BR>>>>> <A href="http://www.mediacorp.co.ke/" target=_blank>www.mediacorp.co.ke</A><BR>>>>> ---<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:21 PM, alice <<A href="mailto:alice@apc.org" ymailto="mailto:alice@apc.org">alice@apc.org</A>> wrote:<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>> Thank you Wainaina. Happy 2009.<BR>>>>>> Now that the bill has been signed, what does the ICT industry think about<BR>>>>>> this whole debate? especially those who have worked for such a long time<BR>>>>>> with government to introduce legislation for the sector?<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> best<BR>>>>>> alice<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> Happy New Year for ICT development in Kenya.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> We can now look at the Media's concerns on the Kenya Communications<BR>>>>>>> Act and support whatever amendments may be justified.<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Wainaina<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>>>>> kictanet mailing list<BR>>>>>> <A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A><BR>>>>>> <A href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet"
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