<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Walu,<br><br>The show took place, I got it half-way but maybe it did not start at the time stipulated. The moderator was Kathleen Openda-Mvati and the panel were David Makali, Paul Muite and Hon. S. Pogisho. It was very heated....I must say.<br><br>Nyaki<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> elizaslider@yahoo.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 19, 2008 1:50:00 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Did the ICT Bill debate happen?<br></font><br>
Looks like I missed it - any chance that the clip is online somewhere? On YouTube maybe? or somewhere else?<br><br>walu.<br><br><br><br>--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Brian Longwe <<a ymailto="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> From: Brian Longwe <<a ymailto="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Did the ICT Bill debate happen?<br>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 2:34 PM<br>> Methinks it did.<br>> <br>> check out <a href="http://alkags.com/?p=172" target="_blank">http://alkags.com/?p=172</a><br>> <br>>
Brian<br>> <br>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:32 PM, John Walubengo<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> > Am not sure if the above happened...but someone has<br>> referred me to the<br>> > analysis from our very own Govt Spokesman - probably<br>> what the Minister/PS<br>> > whould have presented as the alternative view.<br>> Download and enjoy?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> <a href="http://www.communication.go.ke/documents/media_bill_2008_comparisons.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.communication.go.ke/documents/media_bill_2008_comparisons.pdf</a><br>> ><br>> > walu.<br>> ><br>> > --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Wainaina Mungai<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org" href="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org">wainaina@madeinkenya.org</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > From: Wainaina Mungai<br>>
<<a ymailto="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org" href="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org">wainaina@madeinkenya.org</a>><br>> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Comments on Bill Posted<br>> Online<br>> > > To: <a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>> > > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"<br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> > > Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 6:05 PM<br>> > > Good points<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Word has it that the live debate @ NTV has been<br>> cancelled.<br>> > ><br>> > > Could Ndemo confirm this for us?<br>> > ><br>> > > Is it true that the Minister pulled out?<br>> > ><br>> > > Wainaina<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> >
><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Monica<br>> Kerretts-Makau<br>> > > <<a ymailto="mailto:mkmakau@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:mkmakau@yahoo.co.uk">mkmakau@yahoo.co.uk</a>>wrote:<br>> > ><br>> > > > I probably come in late to the foray of the<br>> > > discussion, but am not in<br>> > > > the country and could not get my hands on<br>> the right<br>> > > copy. Thanks for posting<br>> > > > it online Dr. Ndemo and team. My comments<br>> to the bill<br>> > > and as also assisted<br>> > > > a legal friend,<br>> > > ><br>> > > > 1. This is not a media bill as many have led<br>> everyone<br>> > > to believe. It is a<br>> > > > Kenya Communications (Amendment) Bill 2008.<br>> > > ><br>> > >
> 2. The bill proposes to amend the Kenya<br>> Communications<br>> > > Act 1998 as<br>> > > > hereunder (this is in a nutshell of course):<br>> > > ><br>> > > > 1. Enhancing the regulatory mandate by<br>> allowing<br>> > > for the regulation of<br>> > > > broadcasting content (this covers only<br>> electronic<br>> > > media and not print media)<br>> > > ><br>> > > > 2. Providing for the recognition and<br>> licensing of<br>> > > a ccTLD registrar<br>> > > ><br>> > > > 3. Providing recognition for electronic<br>> > > transactions including<br>> > > > e-contracting, digital signatures as well as<br>> propose<br>> > > amendments to existing<br>> > > > legislation e.g. the evidence act allowing<br>>
for<br>> > > submission of digital copies<br>> > > > evidence, recognition of e-crimes in the<br>> penal code<br>> > > etc.<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > The bill mentions nothing, as far as the<br>> government<br>> > > shutting down media<br>> > > > freedoms is concerned.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > What the media are up in arms about and<br>> misleading<br>> > > every right-thinking<br>> > > > Kenyan is the provisions of the current<br>> section 88 of<br>> > > the Kenya<br>> > > > Communications Act, which provides for the<br>> powers of<br>> > > the minister for<br>> > > > internal security on the occurrence of any<br>> public<br>> > > emergency or in the<br>> > > > interest of public safety and tranquility.<br>> > > ><br>> >
> > The section allows the minister to take<br>> temporary<br>> > > possession of any<br>> > > > telecommunications or radio communications<br>> apparatus<br>> > > on the occurrence of<br>> > > > such an emergency. This action by the<br>> Minister is only<br>> > > allowed pending the<br>> > > > existence of the emergency. It also provides<br>> that any<br>> > > person aggrieved by<br>> > > > the actions of the minister herein may<br>> appeal to the<br>> > > High Court and obtain<br>> > > > compensation the refrom.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > *So the draft amendment bill does not<br>> mention anything<br>> > > about section 88,<br>> > > > i.e. it is not being amended.*<br>> > > ><br>> > > > *THE QUESTION WE NEED TO ASK IS DO WE WANT<br>> THE CURRENT<br>> >
> SECTION 88 IN THE<br>> > > > CURRENT COMMUNICATIONS ACT INCLUDED IN THE<br>> > > COMMUNICAITONS AMMENDED BILL? IF<br>> > > > SO, SHOULD SECTION 88 BE DELETED OR CHANGED?<br>> > > > *<br>> > > > Of course the debate as to whether it should<br>> be<br>> > > deleted is ongoing, and<br>> > > > the media are no exemption. But this is a<br>> saving<br>> > > provision of any<br>> > > > communication regulation legislation to<br>> allow<br>> > > Government to take steps to<br>> > > > deal effectively with the emergency or<br>> alternatively<br>> > > stop such networks<br>> > > > being used incase of an insurgency in a<br>> country etc.<br>> > > (No doubt of course the<br>> > > > debate rages on because history has<br>> evidenced the<br>> > > tendencies/choices made
by<br>> > > > African governments)<br>> > > ><br>> > > > *What is evident is that there is a notion<br>> that the<br>> > > current communications<br>> > > > amendment bill includes section 88, which<br>> currently is<br>> > > in the communications<br>> > > > Act NOT THE CURRENT COMMUNICATIONS<br>> AMMENDMENT BILL.<br>> > > > *<br>> > > ><br>> > > > I agree with a live television broadcast *if<br>> only to<br>> > > explain what it is<br>> > > > and what it is not *AND probably allow the<br>> debate to<br>> > > really take place<br>> > > > country wide as it should have prior to it<br>> going to<br>> > > parliament.<br>> > > > *<br>> > > > PS: (*I hope its aired on NTV OR KTN for<br>> those of us<br>> > > not in the country<br>>
> > > and can only access it via DSTV NTV OR KTN).<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > Best regards,<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Dr. Monica Kerretts-Makau<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > On 16/12/08 2:22 AM, "Edith Adera"<br>> > > <<a ymailto="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke" href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>> > > ><br>> > > > > Dr Ndemo,<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Thanks for posting excerpts of the bill<br>> online<br>> > > (sections 46 and 88). We<br>> > > > should<br>> > > > > actually have the FULL version of the<br>> bill (as<br>> > > presented to parliament)<br>> > > > > available online, although this would<br>> be<br>> > > accessible to the
privileged<br>> > > > with<br>> > > > > Internet access how about the masses?<br>> What<br>> > > happened to "our right to<br>> > > > know"?<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > I've carefully read through these<br>> sections of<br>> > > the bill and have some<br>> > > > comments:<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > 1. Apart from the gender Insensitivity<br>> of this<br>> > > clause "46Q b) that person<br>> > > ><br>> > > > > provides broadcasting services in an<br>> area for<br>> > > which HE is not licensed to<br>> > > ><br>> > > > > broadcast;", I've some<br>> substantive<br>> > > comments here below:<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > 2. Section "46K The Minister may,<br>> in<br>> > > consultation with the
Commission,<br>> > > > make<br>> > > > > regulations generally with respect to<br>> all<br>> > > broadcasting services and<br>> > > > without<br>> > > > > prejudice to the generality of the<br>> foregoing,<br>> > > with respect to- (c)<br>> > > > mandating<br>> > > > > the carriage of content, in keeping<br>> with public<br>> > > interest obligations,<br>> > > > across<br>> > > > > licensed broadcasting services; (d)<br>> prescribing<br>> > > anything that may be<br>> > > > > prescribed under this Part.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Comment: I worry about the unspecified<br>> powers to<br>> > > prescribe content and<br>> > > > > "anything that may be<br>> prescribed" by<br>> > > the Minister – given our past,
what<br>> > > > are<br>> > > > > the implications?. who makes<br>> regulation? Minister<br>> > > or Regulator?<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > 3. section "46H (1) The Commission<br>> shall<br>> > > have the power to set standards<br>> > > > for<br>> > > > > the manner, time, and type of<br>> programmes to be<br>> > > broadcast by licensees<br>> > > > under<br>> > > > > this Act."<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Comment – might this limit creativity<br>> and<br>> > > public opinion type programming<br>> > > > that<br>> > > > > allows free speech?<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > I've concerns about this section<br>> below:<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > 4. Section "88.(1) On the<br>>
declaration of any<br>> > > public emergency or in the<br>> > > > > interest of public safety and<br>> tranquility, the<br>> > > Minister for the time<br>> > > > being<br>> > > > > responsible for Internal Security may,<br>> by order<br>> > > in writing, direct any<br>> > > > officer<br>> > > > > duly authorized in that behalf, to take<br>> temporary<br>> > > possession of any<br>> > > > > telecommunication apparatus or any<br>> radio<br>> > > communication station or<br>> > > > apparatus<br>> > > > > within Kenya, and –<br>> > > > > (b) in the case of telecommunication,<br>> that any<br>> > > communication within Kenya<br>> > > > from<br>> > > > > any person or class of persons relating<br>> to any<br>> > > particular
subject shall<br>> > > > be<br>> > > > > intercepted and disclosed to such<br>> person as may<br>> > > be specified in the<br>> > > > direction;<br>> > > > > (c) in the case of postal services,<br>> that any<br>> > > postal article or class or<br>> > > > > description or postal article in the<br>> course of<br>> > > transmission by post<br>> > > > within<br>> > > > > Kenya shall be intercepted or detained<br>> or shall<br>> > > be delivered to any<br>> > > > officer<br>> > > > > mentioned in the order or shall be<br>> disposed of in<br>> > > such manner as the<br>> > > > Minister<br>> > > > > may direct."<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Comment: what constitutes<br>> "interest of<br>> > > public safety and
tranquillity" –<br>> > > > this<br>> > > > > is subject to abuse and personal<br>> discretion. It<br>> > > worries me that free<br>> > > > speech<br>> > > > > could be limited and privacy preached<br>> on any<br>> > > subject – e.g. complaining<br>> > > > about<br>> > > > > high fuel costs, food crisis, impunity<br>> etc etc. I<br>> > > do not know about you,<br>> > > > but<br>> > > > > the last ban on live coverage created a<br>> sense of<br>> > > personal insecurity,<br>> > > > > isolation and denied persons their<br>> "right to<br>> > > know" and the subsequent<br>> > > > threats<br>> > > > > of prosecution did not make things any<br>> better.<br>> > > What are the chances of<br>> > > > abuse<br>> > > >
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