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<DIV>I have been going through the very many maqils circulated here and I wish to make my remarks today as follows;</DIV>
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<DIV>a) There must have been loss of focus somwhere in the discussions and I suggest for a review of structures governing discussions as envisaged in its constitution if any</DIV>
<DIV>b) Matters of representation has been of no concern here. its paradoxical learning that ICT issues are being discussed and implemented in Nairobi without considering to involve those in the grassroot. ( either divisions or District levels) Don't we have have brains there or we care less?</DIV>
<DIV>- Whats your thoights here? </DIV>
<DIV>c) we have been more theoretical than practical, neither realistic may be we need to change. </DIV>
<DIV>d) I suggest we change the objective of the forums so that it would include all kenyans. Its bad noting that Nairobi is kenya and Nakuru is riftvalley. </DIV>
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<DIV>Don't you think its the time to change this?</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards.</DIV>
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<DIV>Loa Lobore. <BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> jlobore@yahoo.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, December 8, 2008 11:30:35 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [kictanet] Effecting Moderation Flag.<BR></FONT><BR>Alai,<BR><BR>>>Does unearthing the people who are trying to kill the fight against<BR>ocrruption and muzzle the Kenyan press also amount to Abuse?<<<BR><BR>Unfortunately I dont have a straight answer to the above. BUT the key guidelines are that: <BR>1. the topics introduced should revolve around ICT Policy/Activities &<BR>2. observe some diplomacy - particularly when addressing the 'imagined-guilty" party given that there are always two or more sides
of a story.<BR><BR>So If someone was to talk about corruption in say the Maize-industry members would rule them out of order unless ofcourse one is explaining how computers were used in the process :-). <BR><BR>But more seriously, most members are worried about the lack of diplomacy on the list. There's a way we can disagree on issues without necessary degenerating to our lowest instincts. And this is where the Americans and other democracies have beaten us. Because they are able to present their opposing views without necessary boiling down to personality wars. Stay civil - today's enemy maybe your tomorrow's friend and vice-versa.<BR><BR>walu.<BR><BR><BR><BR>--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Robert Alai <<A href="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com">alai.robert@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>> From: Robert Alai <<A href="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com">alai.robert@gmail.com</A>><BR>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Effecting Moderation Flag.<BR>> To: <A href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</A><BR>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>><BR>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:55 AM<BR>> Walu<BR>> <BR>> Does unearthing the people who are trying to kill the fight<BR>> against<BR>> ocrruption and muzzle the Kenyan press also amount to<BR>> Abuse?<BR>> <BR>> Alai<BR>> <BR>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:44 AM, John Walubengo<BR>> <<A href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > Dear all,<BR>> ><BR>> > I must agree with S. Mwangi. Last few weeks we have<BR>> indeed
experienced<BR>> > more brawn than brain exchanges despite repeated<BR>> appeals for diplomacy.<BR>> > Furthermore, many have called me offline and emailed<BR>> me privately on the<BR>> > need for action intended to reduce e-verbal abuse<BR>> while increasing fruitful<BR>> > exchanges.<BR>> ><BR>> > In the interest of the wider membership we shall have<BR>> to put on<BR>> > "moderation-status"* the next member whose<BR>> posting contains<BR>> > abusive/offensive language. I trust that most will<BR>> not need a lawyer to<BR>> > judge what is abusive/offensive but the general rule<BR>> is that what is abusive<BR>> > offline (face-2-face) is likely to be considered<BR>> abusive online in most<BR>> > cultures.<BR>> ><BR>> > walu.<BR>> > *Moderation Status:-means your posting will be<BR>> physically censured before<BR>> > being
uploaded/rejected.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > --- On Sat, 12/6/08, <A href="mailto:smwngi@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:smwngi@gmail.com">smwngi@gmail.com</A><BR>> <<A href="mailto:smwngi@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:smwngi@gmail.com">smwngi@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > > From: <A href="mailto:smwngi@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:smwngi@gmail.com">smwngi@gmail.com</A> <<A href="mailto:smwngi@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:smwngi@gmail.com">smwngi@gmail.com</A>><BR>> > > Subject: [kictanet] Moderator please help us!!<BR>> > > To: <A href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</A><BR>> > > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"<BR>> <<A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>><BR>> > > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 3:06
PM<BR>> > > Good Afternoon KICTANET Moderator.<BR>> > > This forum has been very benefital to use<BR>> when it comes to<BR>> > > matters and issues of ICT. However, during the<BR>> last few<BR>> > > weeks its lost value as most of the comments that<BR>> are<BR>> > > flooding our inboxes are witch haunts by a<BR>> selected few<BR>> > > individuals. I urge you to filter this from your<BR>> mailboxs.<BR>> > > I see majority of subscribers asking removal from<BR>> your<BR>> > > mailing list.<BR>> > > Am sure you have seen what has happened and<BR>> I hope you are<BR>> > > doing something about it.<BR>> > > Thanks<BR>> > > Stephen Mwangi<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > kictanet mailing
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