<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>James<br><br>Robert has told you to contact him privately<br><br>JM<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> James Kagwe <jkagwe@KIPPRA.OR.KE><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> j.maina@ymail.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:19:23 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis<br></font><br>
Well I have....... I tried to unsubscribe to no Avail. Robert please do<br>smtg about it<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: kictanet-bounces+jkagwe=<a ymailto="mailto:kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>[mailto:kictanet-bounces+jkagwe=<a ymailto="mailto:kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On<br>Behalf Of Wainaina Mungai<br>Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:22 AM<br>To: James Kagwe<br>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis<br><br>Hi all,<br><br>As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a<br>critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.<br><br>I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus<br>I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam
addresses.<br><br>Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and<br>"subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of<br>subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.<br><br>I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii<br>africa and other lists.<br><br>Wainaina<br><br>On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <<a ymailto="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com" href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com">alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Alai,<br>><br>> I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on<br>> 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the<br>> fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare'<br>> arrived a long time ago.<br>><br>> So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing<br>> squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)<br>><br>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert
Alai <<a ymailto="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com" href="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com">alai.robert@gmail.com</a>><br>wrote:<br>>> Mirembe<br>>><br>>> I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.<br>>><br>>> The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother<br>still<br>>> sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want<br>>> local<br>>> content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.<br>><br>> Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our<br>> Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that<br>> 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to<br>> make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should<br>> not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign'<br>> computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy<br>>
made?" That was heavy!<br>><br>>>Let me tell you a thing. We<br>>> must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of<br>Joe<br>>> Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have<br>attended<br>>> in<br>>> which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan.<br>The<br>>> fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan<br>should<br>>> make Mucheru sell Kenya more.<br>><br>> Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room<br>> were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused<br>> of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)<br>><br>>> If you wanted a subscription website, you<br>>> should have started with <a target="_blank" href="http://kenyalaw.org">kenyalaw.org</a>. If you wanted affiliates,<br>>> <a target="_blank"
href="http://mamamikes.com">mamamikes.com</a> has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots<br>of<br>>> thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign<br>ones<br>>> just<br>>> as an after-thought.<br>><br>> I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience<br>> to articulate you point?<br>><br>>> We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they<br>can<br>>> only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe<br>that<br>>> facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are<br>engaging<br>>> more in <a target="_blank" href="http://bongo5.com">bongo5.com</a> and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are<br>>> actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really<br>coming<br>>> up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice<br>things<br>>> from them.
We should not glorify anything western. We must start<br>>> appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site,<br>>> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.kasarani.com">www.kasarani.com</a><br>><br>> Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch<br>> for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote<br>> local content.<br>><br>>> When I started my start forum and blogging thing, <a target="_blank" href="http://jamiiforums.com">jamiiforums.com</a>, we<br>had<br>>> lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum<br>which<br>>> is<br>>> being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because<br>Tanzanians<br>>> don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that<br>there<br>>> is<br>>> any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.<br>><br>> Me, me, me again... Try a bit of
our, our, our, country's local<br>content.<br>><br>>> There is no forum<br>>> in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when<br>issues are<br>>> being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in<br>Swahili.<br>>> We<br>>> must focus on being local if we want local content.<br>><br>> 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and<br>> Judiciacy.<br>> If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in<br>> very serious trouble...<br>><br>>> NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site<br>without a<br>>> forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV,<br>EasyFm<br>>> and<br>>> QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are<br>>> plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and<br>articles in<br>>> entertainment and lifestyle
mazagines are plagiarized from magazines<br>like<br>>> cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.<br>><br>> Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have<br>done<br>> right?<br>><br>>> The Tandaa website was .com and not .<a target="_blank" href="http://co.ke">co.ke</a>. Even if you are not<br>hosting<br>>> locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.<br>><br>> Had you tried <a href="http://www.tandaa.co.ke/" target="_blank">http://www.tandaa.co.ke/</a> before the conference? BTW, I<br>> host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can<br>> be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP?<br>> Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider<br>> 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of<br>> decision making procees..<br>><br>>> The funniest thing I got from the
conference, why would 6 or 7<br>speakers<br>>> speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10<br>minutes<br>>> to ask questions and suggestions?<br>><br>> The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.<br>><br>>>Do you know that the slides from Capital,<br>>> NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco<br>and<br>>> others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They<br>have<br>>> become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and<br>even<br>>> slides which you have never seen is from the public.<br>><br>> Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published<br>every<br>> year?<br>><br>>>Givingg 15 minutes to<br>>> each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the<br>audience<br>>> asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and
shows<br>and<br>>> attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might<br>embarass<br>>> the speakers with questions.<br>><br>> You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your<br>> conclusion?<br>><br>>> The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was<br>ok<br>>> but<br>>> I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable<br>well<br>>> spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to<br>rely<br>>> on<br>>> my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.<br>><br>> Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its<br>> called "fair commentating"<br>><br>>> We also think that we can have an active network and the best place<br>to<br>>> start<br>>> is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open<br>vbulletin<br>>> run
forum with CMS managed frontpage like <a target="_blank" href="http://www.haitiwebs.com">www.haitiwebs.com</a> and<br>>> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.mustangevolution.com">www.mustangevolution.com</a>. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take<br>us<br>>> even<br>>> a day to have this thing up and running.<br>><br>> Dunno..<br>><br>>> Senior members, what do you think?<br>><br>> I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about<br>> multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format<br>> their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted<br>> critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise<br>> excellent achievement.<br>><br>> Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could<br>> explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for<br>> their next such
conference.<br>><br>> Rider:<br>><br>> There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and<br>> severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies<br>> and Poisons Board drug inspectors.<br>> Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great<br>> initiative, erroneously.<br>><br>> Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists<br>> subscriptions;)<br>><br>> G'day,<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> kictanet mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>><br>> This message was sent to: <a ymailto="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org"
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