<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Wainaina<br><br>You have not made any sense sinceyou started arguing with Robert<br><br>JM<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Wainaina Mungai <wainaina@madeinkenya.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> j.maina@ymail.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:35:17 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [kictanet] Fwd: Tandaa - An Honest
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Example 001<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Robert Alai <<a ymailto="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com" href="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com">alai.robert@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:04:18 +0300<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis<br>To: Wainaina Mungai <<a ymailto="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org" href="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org">wainaina@madeinkenya.org</a>><br><br>Hi all,<br><br>As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a<br>critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.<br><br>I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus<br>I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.<br><br>Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and<br>"subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of<br>subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.<br><br>I bet someone else has had the
same experience with Kazi africa, bidii<br>africa and other lists.<br><br>Wainaina. See the reply I gave to Gakuru. Blame your teacher and you have no<br>use being in KICTANET if you cant even know how to operate simple email<br>addresses in,lists<br><br><br>Alai<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <<a ymailto="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org" href="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org">wainaina@madeinkenya.org</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Hi all,<br>><br>> As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a<br>> critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.<br>><br>> I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus<br>> I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.<br>><br>> Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and<br>> "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true
reflection of<br>> subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.<br>><br>> I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii<br>> africa and other lists.<br>><br>> Wainaina<br>><br>><br>> On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <<a ymailto="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com" href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com">alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > Alai,<br>> ><br>> > I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on<br>> > 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the<br>> > fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare'<br>> > arrived a long time ago.<br>> ><br>> > So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing<br>> > squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)<br>> ><br>> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <<a
ymailto="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com" href="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com">alai.robert@gmail.com</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> >> Mirembe<br>> >><br>> >> I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.<br>> >><br>> >> The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still<br>> >> sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want<br>> >> local<br>> >> content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.<br>> ><br>> > Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our<br>> > Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that<br>> > 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to<br>> > make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should<br>> > not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign'<br>> > computers,
'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy<br>> > made?" That was heavy!<br>> ><br>> >>Let me tell you a thing. We<br>> >> must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe<br>> >> Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have<br>> attended<br>> >> in<br>> >> which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The<br>> >> fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan<br>> should<br>> >> make Mucheru sell Kenya more.<br>> ><br>> > Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room<br>> > were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused<br>> > of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)<br>> ><br>> >> If you wanted a subscription website, you<br>> >> should have started with <a
target="_blank" href="http://kenyalaw.org">kenyalaw.org</a>. If you wanted affiliates,<br>> >> <a target="_blank" href="http://mamamikes.com">mamamikes.com</a> has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of<br>> >> thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones<br>> >> just<br>> >> as an after-thought.<br>> ><br>> > I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience<br>> > to articulate you point?<br>> ><br>> >> We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they<br>> can<br>> >> only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that<br>> >> facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are<br>> engaging<br>> >> more in <a target="_blank" href="http://bongo5.com">bongo5.com</a> and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are<br>> >>
actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really<br>> coming<br>> >> up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice things<br>> >> from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start<br>> >> appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site,<br>> >> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.kasarani.com">www.kasarani.com</a><br>> ><br>> > Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch<br>> > for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote<br>> > local content.<br>> ><br>> >> When I started my start forum and blogging thing, <a target="_blank" href="http://jamiiforums.com">jamiiforums.com</a>, we<br>> had<br>> >> lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which<br>> >> is<br>> >> being run by my great friend Maxence, was
going nowhere because<br>> Tanzanians<br>> >> don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that there<br>> >> is<br>> >> any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.<br>> ><br>> > Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content.<br>> ><br>> >> There is no forum<br>> >> in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues<br>> are<br>> >> being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili.<br>> >> We<br>> >> must focus on being local if we want local content.<br>> ><br>> > 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and<br>> > Judiciacy.<br>> > If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in<br>> > very serious trouble...<br>> ><br>> >> NMG bought a script from Germans and
installed it on their site without<br>> a<br>> >> forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm<br>> >> and<br>> >> QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are<br>> >> plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles<br>> in<br>> >> entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines<br>> like<br>> >> cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.<br>> ><br>> > Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done<br>> > right?<br>> ><br>> >> The Tandaa website was .com and not .<a target="_blank" href="http://co.ke">co.ke</a>. Even if you are not hosting<br>> >> locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.<br>> ><br>> > Had you tried <a href="http://www.tandaa.co.ke/" target="_blank">http://www.tandaa.co.ke/</a>
before the conference? BTW, I<br>> > host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can<br>> > be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP?<br>> > Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider<br>> > 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of<br>> > decision making procees..<br>> ><br>> >> The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers<br>> >> speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10<br>> minutes<br>> >> to ask questions and suggestions?<br>> ><br>> > The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.<br>> ><br>> >>Do you know that the slides from Capital,<br>> >> NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and<br>> >> others are shown to us almost in every conference we
attend. They have<br>> >> become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even<br>> >> slides which you have never seen is from the public.<br>> ><br>> > Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published every<br>> > year?<br>> ><br>> >>Givingg 15 minutes to<br>> >> each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the<br>> audience<br>> >> asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and<br>> >> attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might<br>> embarass<br>> >> the speakers with questions.<br>> ><br>> > You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your<br>> > conclusion?<br>> ><br>> >> The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok<br>> >> but<br>> >> I think that we can do
alot of improvements by having power cable well<br>> >> spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to<br>> rely<br>> >> on<br>> >> my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.<br>> ><br>> > Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its<br>> > called "fair commentating"<br>> ><br>> >> We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to<br>> >> start<br>> >> is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open<br>> vbulletin<br>> >> run forum with CMS managed frontpage like <a target="_blank" href="http://www.haitiwebs.com">www.haitiwebs.com</a> and<br>> >> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.mustangevolution.com">www.mustangevolution.com</a>. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us<br>> >> even<br>> >> a day to have this thing up and
running.<br>> ><br>> > Dunno..<br>> ><br>> >> Senior members, what do you think?<br>> ><br>> > I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about<br>> > multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format<br>> > their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted<br>> > critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise<br>> > excellent achievement.<br>> ><br>> > Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could<br>> > explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for<br>> > their next such conference.<br>> ><br>> > Rider:<br>> ><br>> > There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and<br>> > severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies<br>> > and Poisons Board drug
inspectors.<br>> > Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great<br>> > initiative, erroneously.<br>> ><br>> > Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists<br>> > subscriptions;)<br>> ><br>> > G'day,<br>> ><br>><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > kictanet mailing list<br>> > <a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>> > <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>> ><br>><br>> > This message was sent to: <a ymailto="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org" href="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org">wainaina@madeinkenya.org</a><br>><br>> > Unsubscribe or change your options at<br>><br>> ><br>> <a
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