<br>I think that this is what Wainaina means<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/18/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Robert Alai</b> <<a href="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com">alai.robert@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<span class="q">Hi all,<br> <br> As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a<br> critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.<br> <br> I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus<br>
I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.<br> <br> Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and<br> "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of<br>
subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.<br> <br> I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii<br> africa and other lists.<br><br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 102, 0);"></span><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 102, 0);">Wainaina. See the reply I gave to Gakuru. Blame your teacher and you have no use being in KICTANET if you cant even know how to operate simple email addresses in,lists</span><br>
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<br><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Alai</span></span><div><span class="e" id="q_11daea0e359f597f_3"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/18/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Wainaina Mungai</b> <<a href="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">wainaina@madeinkenya.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi all,<br> <br> As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a<br> critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.<br> <br> I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus<br>
I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.<br> <br> Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and<br> "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of<br>
subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.<br> <br> I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii<br> africa and other lists.<br> <br> Wainaina<br> <br><br> On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <<a href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Alai,<br> ><br> > I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on<br> > 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the<br> > fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare'<br>
> arrived a long time ago.<br> ><br> > So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing<br> > squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)<br> ><br> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <<a href="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">alai.robert@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Mirembe<br> >><br> >> I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.<br> >><br> >> The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still<br> >> sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want<br>
>> local<br> >> content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.<br> ><br> > Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our<br> > Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that<br>
> 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to<br> > make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should<br> > not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign'<br>
> computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy<br> > made?" That was heavy!<br> ><br> >>Let me tell you a thing. We<br> >> must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe<br>
>> Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have attended<br> >> in<br> >> which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The<br> >> fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan should<br>
>> make Mucheru sell Kenya more.<br> ><br> > Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room<br> > were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused<br> > of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)<br>
><br> >> If you wanted a subscription website, you<br> >> should have started with <a href="http://kenyalaw.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">kenyalaw.org</a>. If you wanted affiliates,<br>
>> <a href="http://mamamikes.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">mamamikes.com</a> has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of<br>
>> thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones<br> >> just<br> >> as an after-thought.<br> ><br> > I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience<br>
> to articulate you point?<br> ><br> >> We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they can<br> >> only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that<br> >> facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are engaging<br>
>> more in <a href="http://bongo5.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">bongo5.com</a> and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are<br> >> actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really coming<br>
>> up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice things<br>
>> from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start<br> >> appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site,<br> >> <a href="http://www.kasarani.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">www.kasarani.com</a><br>
><br> > Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch<br> > for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote<br> > local content.<br> ><br> >> When I started my start forum and blogging thing, <a href="http://jamiiforums.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">jamiiforums.com</a>, we had<br>
>> lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which<br> >> is<br> >> being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because Tanzanians<br> >> don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that there<br>
>> is<br> >> any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.<br> ><br> > Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content.<br> ><br> >> There is no forum<br>
>> in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues are<br> >> being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili.<br> >> We<br> >> must focus on being local if we want local content.<br>
><br> > 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and<br> > Judiciacy.<br> > If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in<br> > very serious trouble...<br>
><br> >> NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without a<br> >> forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm<br> >> and<br> >> QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are<br>
>> plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles in<br> >> entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines like<br> >> cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.<br>
><br> > Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done<br> > right?<br> ><br> >> The Tandaa website was .com and not .<a href="http://co.ke" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">co.ke</a>. Even if you are not hosting<br>
>> locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.<br> ><br> > Had you tried <a href="http://www.tandaa.co.ke/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.tandaa.co.ke/</a> before the conference? BTW, I<br>
> host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can<br>
> be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP?<br> > Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider<br> > 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of<br>
> decision making procees..<br> ><br> >> The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers<br> >> speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 minutes<br> >> to ask questions and suggestions?<br>
><br> > The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.<br> ><br> >>Do you know that the slides from Capital,<br> >> NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and<br>
>> others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have<br> >> become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even<br> >> slides which you have never seen is from the public.<br>
><br> > Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published every<br> > year?<br> ><br> >>Givingg 15 minutes to<br> >> each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the audience<br>
>> asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and<br> >> attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might embarass<br> >> the speakers with questions.<br> ><br>
> You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your<br> > conclusion?<br> ><br> >> The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok<br> >> but<br> >> I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well<br>
>> spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to rely<br> >> on<br> >> my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.<br> ><br> > Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its<br>
> called "fair commentating"<br> ><br> >> We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to<br> >> start<br> >> is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open vbulletin<br>
>> run forum with CMS managed frontpage like <a href="http://www.haitiwebs.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">www.haitiwebs.com</a> and<br> >> <a href="http://www.mustangevolution.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">www.mustangevolution.com</a>. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us<br>
>> even<br> >> a day to have this thing up and running.<br> ><br> > Dunno..<br> ><br> >> Senior members, what do you think?<br> ><br> > I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about<br>
> multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format<br> > their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted<br> > critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise<br>
> excellent achievement.<br> ><br> > Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could<br> > explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for<br> > their next such conference.<br>
><br> > Rider:<br> ><br> > There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and<br> > severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies<br> > and Poisons Board drug inspectors.<br>
> Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great<br> > initiative, erroneously.<br> ><br> > Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists<br> > subscriptions;)<br>
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