<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dear colleagues,<div><br></div><div>i lost my shares in Vodacom Tanzania ( a company that I personally incubated) because of trickery of a few powerful nationals. I would not like that to happen to anybody I know. It is a very bitter experience especially at a time when the world is moving fast to eradicate boundaries. I suggest that we Kenyans must be ready to compete, without losing it all out to foreigners. The govt. must offer us opportunities to compete. As Edith Adera puts it, the whole world is today admiring Dubai, Kenyans included. this is because of openness.</div><div><br></div><div>With regard to Econet, I personally tried to assist farmers get their big chank of 85 percent of the shares, but we saw more of conferencing than action - they eventually lost it. Econet and Kenya Govt. eventually ended up in court and consequently Econet got their license. Was there a need for the time lost? Had Econet launch in time, Kenya consumers would have sniffed low Call tariffs much earlier as a result of competition - something that Michael Joseph was not afraid of.</div><div><br></div><div>Who are the the true directors of Kencall? If they are the Nesbits I know, then they must be Kenyans. As a child, Dr. Nesbit was my personal doctor and today I am an old man facing retirement. If they are the Nesbits I know, then kudos to them as the family is now offering jobs to their fellow Kenyans. Let us face facts. Before Vodafon arrived in Kenya, Safaricom was managed by us - KPTC. I am sure everybody can remember how prohibitive it was to even buy a handset, in the name of <font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Gill Sans Ultra Bold'"><b>communications is reserved for the rich. </b></font></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>I love the debates. Without the debates we would not be this far in the ict sector. let us keep on sharing ideas. Communications is very vital to our life styles. I was in Havana Cuba recently for ten days and I thought I was in jail. I had to power down my telephone handsets and nobody knew where I was. Cubans are very nice people. The country may open up soon for communications.</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>'good week end</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>James Rege</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b><br></b><div><div>On Oct 16, 2008, at 12:55 AM, <a href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Anyone has taken the time to thoroughly study the secret behind<br>Dubai's tremendous growth? (U.A.E in general). There are some useful<br>lessons!<br><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">---- Original Message ----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com">j.maina@ymail.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Interests<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Lizette<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I think that you have racially inclined your mind.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">When did KENCALL directors become Kenyans? After getting good<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">friends to bribe their way to this country. And let me tell you that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the money the so called investors are using are Kenyan money not<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">money from foreign banks.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">They have come and borrowed from Kenyan banks. How much does the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">most profitable telecomms companies leave in this country, very small<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">amount. We have Telecomms companies which are on their marks. They<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">have very inferior systems and dont actually deliver in service but<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">make billions and run away with the billions.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Dada Lizette, we know that there are Kenyans who are white, black<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">coloured and all but know that I am a mixed race Kenyan and really<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">sad when our brotehrs have to suffer because of bad policies from<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">people like PS<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">JM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">----- Original Message ----<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From: Lizette Kraft <<a href="mailto:lfkraft@gmail.com">lfkraft@gmail.com</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com">j.maina@ymail.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:52:07 PM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Interests<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Just my two pennies worth here.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Kenya is not an Island that it can survive on its own even through<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">local investment. Most times we dont have the funds. I do agree<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">though about the Government and banks not supporting local investors<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">with loans etc. They must start giving them the opportunity to setup<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">local expertise and turn them in money making ventures, if only they<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">wouldn't fleece their own companies. Even America, the giant needs<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">investors!!! You all have a valid point but use it for the best<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">interests of Kenya and its people first and foremost. Not just self<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">interest for the few. And by the way Kenyans come in all shapes,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">sizes, COLOURS, and creed. So please don't generalise who is kenyan<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and who is not!!! Kencall directors and owners are Kenyan and not<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">outsiders if I understand correctly. When we are taxed whether<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">individually or coorporately, the money is used for Kenya and Kenyans<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and not for outsiders who invested! Forcing local partnership in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">foreign owned companies has<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">its negative and positive effects. <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This needs to be look at more seriously to make it a win-win<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">situation. It has been known in the past that foreign investors with<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">forced local partnership have been subjected to threats and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">intimidation by the local partners when they wanted more than their<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">fare share, (given to them mind you). Thus the weariness o<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of being forced now. This does not attract any investor. But the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">foreigners should not fleece the country either!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Let us have some constructive critisism without being racially<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">inclined. Fight to make things right no matter what but without<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">pinpointing nationalities or colours of people.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 10/7/08, John Maina <<a href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com">j.maina@ymail.com</a>> wrote: <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#poest3150">http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#poest3150</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">kictanet mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This message was sent to: <a href="mailto:lfkraft@gmail.com">lfkraft@gmail.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Unsubscribe or change your options at<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lfkraft%40gmail">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lfkraft%40gmail</a>.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">com<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-- <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Lizette Kraft<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">P.O. 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