<div dir="ltr">Seems like the polemical arsenal and vitriol is now shifting towards my direction. I humbly rest my case on this issue. Another topic might be a better idea for us.<br><br><br>Kamotho Njenga<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:30 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mwananchi@hushmail.com">mwananchi@hushmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Kamotho,<br>
<br>
If the issues are too intertwined for you to follow then you should<br>
say so and ask for simplification to enhance your ability to follow<br>
through and distinguish what is what.<br>
<br>
Nonetheless, has PS Ndemo denied the occurrence of any the facts?<br>
What PS Ndemo has, is a different interpretation of the facts and<br>
how they took place. There is no issue personally with PS Ndemo,<br>
what there are issues with are specific actions he is carrying out<br>
while in his capacity as a public servant.<br>
<br>
- Ndemo admitted he signed an MOU with Libyans.<br>
<br>
- Ndemo admitted that before he left for Malaysia he made<br>
pronouncements<br>
about changes in local shareholding requirements<br>
<br>
- Ndemo admitted he signed a "settlement agreement" with a certain<br>
foreign company<br>
<br>
- Ndemo admitted there are problems with current investment policies<br>
<br>
PS Ndemo is public servant who serves the Kenyan public not just<br>
special interests in Kictanet. If other Wananchi have found it on<br>
their own accord to forward discussions to other forums then do<br>
your duty to take it up as an issue on those forums. As PS Ndemo<br>
says, there is nothing to hide! In the same spirit of openness,<br>
Ndemo's response has also been cross posted on other discussion<br>
lists by other listers who saw it fit to do so.<br>
<br>
You see Kamotho, you've not presented a single iota of evidence or<br>
fact, just empty rhetoric and belligerence. If you have any facts,<br>
have conducted any investigations, gone to the relevant High Court<br>
registrars, consulted the Attorney General, gone to archives to<br>
determine whether what Ndemo said has been manufactured and<br>
contradicts what has been shared here, then by all means speedily<br>
share the documents and facts, debunk each specific fact and let<br>
these matters be put to rest.<br>
<br>
PS Ndemo is free to start a lawsuit against the High Court of South<br>
Africa, the High Court of Kenya and any other party all from which<br>
the facts have been sourced from so that the same facts can be<br>
gladly repeated and established under oath and public record. It is<br>
however understandable that belligerent empty rhetoric seems to be<br>
the only defence one can possibly turn to in a feeble attempt of<br>
censorship when faced with indisputable facts. Good day.<br>
<br>
Peterson<br>
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:21:11 +0000 kamotho Njenga<br>
<<a href="mailto:kamothonjenga@gmail.com">kamothonjenga@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>Friends,<br>
><br>
>Beyond question, Kenyans have a right to seek information as well<br>
>clarity<br>
>on any issue pertinent to the ICT sector.That right includes<br>
>expressing<br>
>views on matters where in ones opinion a route less than optimal<br>
>in their<br>
>opinion has been followed. The freedom of expression is not a<br>
>preserve to<br>
>any individual or group. But as a necessity such fundamental<br>
>rights must be<br>
>exercised within some confines of responsibility, propriety and<br>
>decorum.<br>
><br>
>Without over generalizing, this is the first time that allegations<br>
>have been<br>
>pursued with profundity, relentlessness and zeal of a unique<br>
>magnitude and<br>
>has been extended beyond KICTANET. For I have personally received<br>
>similar<br>
>messages in my other mail accounts that are not subscribed to this<br>
>forum.<br>
>The personalized overtones that have accompanied the pursuit of<br>
>this matter<br>
>whose goal is yet to be specified can neither be denied nor<br>
>ignored.<br>
><br>
>What is not in dispute is that the drivers of these allegations<br>
>have their<br>
>issues mixed up.At one point their claim is on MOUs, the next is<br>
>on<br>
>localization and at times its on "crooks" and so on. In a<br>
>nutshell; alot of<br>
>generalities and unguided missile whose clear intention is to<br>
>finish<br>
>somebody in one way or the other. Its so evident that there is an<br>
>unwavering<br>
>struggle to demonise the PS by depicting him in bad light. Since<br>
>then, the<br>
>PS has come out clearly on all points of accusations never mind<br>
>that all the<br>
>allegations are anchored on conjecture.<br>
><br>
>On this basis and on the premise of objectivity, one canly<br>
>conclude that the<br>
>authors of these allegations are at best riding on the back of far<br>
>fetched<br>
>malice and wallowing entirely in the miasma of hollow vendetta.The<br>
>alarmist<br>
>tell tales (Whistle blowing/Whistling) should be dismissed with<br>
>all the<br>
>contempt they deserve.<br>
><br>
><br>
>Kamotho Njenga<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:12 AM, <<a href="mailto:mwananchi@hushmail.com">mwananchi@hushmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Dear Eric,<br>
>><br>
>> Some weekend reading for you, this article was directed at NEPAD<br>
>> and the then Finance Minister and it covers some of the issues<br>
>we<br>
>> have been discussing.<br>
>><br>
>> Africa, Kimunya should seek monetary policies that serve local<br>
>> interests<br>
>><br>
><a href="http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8" target="_blank">http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8</a><br>
>2<br>
>><br>
</div></div>>62&Itemid=5821<<a href="http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content" target="_blank">http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content</a><br>
>&task=view&id=8262&Itemid=5821><br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">>><br>
>> "This, however, remains the quintessential question of African<br>
>> development: how to achieve economic independence in an<br>
>> international and regional context where the profit motives of<br>
>most<br>
>> investors and lenders rarely correspond to our growth and<br>
>> development goals."<br>
>><br>
>> We simply cannot achieve economic independence when over 80<br>
>percent<br>
>> of the economy is in the hands of foreigners more so non<br>
>Africans<br>
>> and PS Ndemo now wants to eliminate indigenous ownership<br>
>> requirements. Local ownership requirements did not deter the<br>
>> credible and serious Zain's, Vodafone's, France Telecom's,<br>
>Altech's<br>
>> of this world from coming into Kenya. Has PS Ndemo forgotten<br>
>that<br>
>> Kenya's FDI in the last year rose by over 1300 percent?<br>
>><br>
>> Is it fair that some local individuals could use multiple<br>
>separate<br>
>> companies in which they have substantial shareholding so as to<br>
>> maximize their effective share of TEAMS while other legitimate<br>
>> local and international investors are locked out? These and<br>
>other<br>
>> criteria (total beneficial ownership etc) need to be looked at<br>
>and<br>
>> analysed to get to the core of the matter.<br>
>><br>
>> It is a pity that PS Ndemo seems to believe that it is a bad<br>
>thing<br>
>> when Peterson asks the Government to listen to local investors<br>
>and<br>
>> take their interests into consideration while striking a balance<br>
>in<br>
>> the same way he listens to foreign investors and makes arbitrary<br>
>> non-consultative policy changes just because the Nesbitt's of<br>
>this<br>
>> world (who already have a tax holiday) have already arm twisted<br>
>him<br>
>> behind closed doors into submission. We want these unnamed<br>
>vested<br>
>> interests to take their case to the Kenyan public and to stop<br>
>> coercing public servants behind closed doors, if they can<br>
>convince<br>
>> the public openly that what they need is good for Kenya then the<br>
>> public through their representatives will effect such changes<br>
>> openly and transparently.<br>
>><br>
>> As for the other matters, they don't require endorsement or<br>
>> agreement, the facts stand on their own, they are facts anyone<br>
>can<br>
>> verify by going to the High Court registrar, providing the case<br>
>> number and obtaining the same documents and rulings. The near<br>
>> collapse and disrespect of our institutions is as a result of<br>
>the<br>
>> permeation and embrace of a culture of impunity. If these<br>
>> institutions were respected by among others, PS Ndemo, it would<br>
>not<br>
>> be an issue affecting the nation.<br>
>><br>
>> I challenge anyone with any contradicting documents to dispute<br>
>the<br>
>> facts by presenting the same rather than attempting to<br>
>assassinate<br>
>> the messenger for blowing the whistle.<br>
>><br>
>> Have a good weekend.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Peterson<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:38:36 +0000 "Eric M.K Osiakwan"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:emko@internetresearch.com.gh">emko@internetresearch.com.gh</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >Dear Peterson,<br>
>> ><br>
>> >I go with you on the wheel that the vested interest of the<br>
>country<br>
>> >in<br>
>> >paramount.....<br>
>> ><br>
>> >The elements of my case though disappointing, i went with the<br>
>> >established criteria since was applied across board but then in<br>
>> >the<br>
>> >situation where most of the local companies are majority owned<br>
>by<br>
>> >non-<br>
>> >Africans, then one needs to look into the criteria again.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >The larger question, we need to raise is how do we ensure that<br>
>the<br>
>> ><br>
>> >interest of other African investors can be unheld in another<br>
>> >African<br>
>> >jurisdiction, in the context of developing Africa by Africans.<br>
>You<br>
>> ><br>
>> >know the TEAMS process is still ongoing so lets allow the<br>
>> >establish<br>
>> >procedures and policies to work, am patient and dont have any<br>
>hard<br>
>> ><br>
>> >feelings at all.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >The other big question that we need to answer is, these huge<br>
>> >infrastructure projects require huge sums of money, personally<br>
>am<br>
>> >not<br>
>> >a deep pocket in that sense but at least i can raise the money,<br>
>> >may<br>
>> >be from another African country or worse case outside the<br>
>> >continent<br>
>> >if the amounts are way over. The TEAMS model where public funds<br>
>> >are<br>
>> >used to underwrite the risk in order to ensure that the entry<br>
>> >barriers for investment are minimised so local investors and<br>
>> >entrepreneurs can participate are innovative and i personally<br>
>want<br>
>> >to<br>
>> >give the TEAMS model a chance to succeed. We as Africans need<br>
>to<br>
>> >evolve solutions to our unique problems, ofcourse borrowing in<br>
>> >same<br>
>> >cases from others who have gone ahead.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >Unfortunately, i would have to distant myself from some of the<br>
>> >allegations though you establish them on factual basis, it<br>
>would<br>
>> >be<br>
>> >good for the right authorities to follow it through so that we<br>
>> >have<br>
>> >conclusive situations. Also, those involved must be given a<br>
>chance<br>
>> >to<br>
>> >present their side of the argument so that those in this forum<br>
>can<br>
>> >be<br>
>> >more knowledgable. Again, if we can keep it tactful, then the<br>
>> >common<br>
>> >good is preserved for the sake of posterity.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >Have a good weekend, good people.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >On 10 Oct 2008, at 20:16, <a href="mailto:mwananchi@hushmail.com">mwananchi@hushmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Dear Eric,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> At the end of the day, Kenyans only want the best for our<br>
>> >nation.<br>
>> >> Kenyans certainly are not against beneficial foreign direct<br>
>> >> investment and welcome it provided it is conducted under<br>
>> >policies<br>
>> >> that result in a win-win situation for Kenyans and the<br>
>investor.<br>
>> >> Unfortunately the country's policies particularly those being<br>
>> >> fronted now do not reflect that wish, which is why it is<br>
>> >important<br>
>> >> that the Government pay attention to what local and would be<br>
>> >> international investors are saying and strike a balance that<br>
>is<br>
>> >a<br>
>> >> win-win for both.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> In your case, had PS Ndemo stuck with his proposal that he<br>
>made<br>
>> >in<br>
>> >> 2007, Internet Research would not be experiencing any<br>
>hurdles.<br>
>> >The<br>
>> >> local component would also have been preserved in a manner<br>
>not<br>
>> >> detrimental to your company.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I hope that PS Ndemo will address the issue of your company.<br>
>> >Kenya<br>
>> >> as an African country should not be deterring Kenyan or any<br>
>> >other<br>
>> >> African investors who are credible and who operate and<br>
>respect<br>
>> >our<br>
>> >> laws and institutions instead of trampling them underfoot and<br>
>in<br>
>> >> the one case that has been mentioned, deliberately failing to<br>
>> >meet<br>
>> >> their obligations for over 4 years. These are the same types<br>
>of<br>
>> >> investors who have been rejected by Altech, the nations of<br>
>Papua<br>
>> >> New Guinea, Malawi, Nigeria. The same characters who failed<br>
>to<br>
>> >meet<br>
>> >> their licence obligations for years in New Zealand and were<br>
>> >lucky<br>
>> >> to get token percentage ownership of what was left when<br>
>credible<br>
>> >> investors took over and who in Lesotho have been engaged in<br>
>tax<br>
>> >and<br>
>> >> roaming link frauds.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/152715858/fraud_in_lesotho.pdf" target="_blank">http://rapidshare.com/files/152715858/fraud_in_lesotho.pdf</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> They finally found a safe haven to land in Kenya embraced by<br>
>a<br>
>> >> culture of impunity where it does not matter if you meet your<br>
>> >> obligations or if you operate with cancelled licences<br>
>provided<br>
>> >> powerful vested interests pave and coerce the way for you.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> When we reject investors whom we know such as Eric and<br>
>embrace<br>
>> >> undesirable investors instead, it shows why we precisely are<br>
>> >> lagging behind in FDI. Indeed if Kenya gave investors 5 years<br>
>as<br>
>> >it<br>
>> >> did in this particular case to pay licencing fees, the<br>
>country<br>
>> >> would be overwhelmed with numerous investors. As the<br>
>occassion<br>
>> >of<br>
>> >> Moi Day graces us today, the Moi government despite its many<br>
>> >flaws<br>
>> >> was quick to realize what type of animal this was and<br>
>correctly<br>
>> >> rejected them not just once but twice.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Peterson<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:31:48 +0000 "Eric M.K Osiakwan"<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:emko@internetresearch.com.gh">emko@internetresearch.com.gh</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >>> Dear Peterson,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Thanks for establishing a set of facts and am sure the right<br>
>> >>> people<br>
>> >>> would respond to the issues you have riased. I hope the<br>
>> >discussion<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> would continue on a factual basis and not degenerate.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I want to also present one set of facts regarding my<br>
>> >participation<br>
>> >>> in<br>
>> >>> the TEAMS project. My company, Internet Research went<br>
>through<br>
>> >the<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> entire process and indeed qualified to be allocated shares<br>
>but<br>
>> >at<br>
>> >>> one<br>
>> >>> of the proposed shareholders meeting, the issue of local<br>
>> >ownership<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> came up.<br>
>> >>><br>
>><br>
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