<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Joe<br><br>Thanks alot. <br><br>I think that Dr Ndemo must come clean and we must not be held hostage by people who think that we must be bowing to crooked foreigners who were paupers and came defrauded the country and now think that we should have all been thieves.<br><br>Nick Nesbitt couldnt afford kencall. He came and borrowed in Kenyan banks because people like Dr Ndemo allowed him. Joe, as a person who is also setting up a pan African ICT network, you must know whom you are dealing with Ndugu. We respect all people in KICTANET but the truth must come out ndugu. Lets all ask for it and all will be fine.<br><br>JM<br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:
12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com><br>To: John Maina <j.maina@ymail.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br>Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 6:09:13 PM<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests<br><br><div dir="ltr">Crystal<div>This is demeaning to Kenyans. You should stop discussing issues about Kenya unless you know what you are talking about.</div><div><br></div><div>Grameen Bank and Telecom is a Bangladeshi company. Why shouldn't Kenyans own the major telecomms? Is there a law that states only foreigners can own these companies?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Anyway I do not want to belittle this discussion by reading what foreigners think about Kenyans. Only Kenyans can solve Kenyan issues.</div><div><br></div><div>I do not know what John is talking about (and I know John, unlike most of you who do not) and I am waiting to hear a response from PS Ndemo. I think the least we can demand of our public servant is a fair hearing. Let Dr Ndemo speak for himself. And those who are just heckling should step aside. The Moi era when people just spoke good of people in power and never questioned their public actions (rather than private), and Dr Ndemo's pronouncement was a very public action, should be over. At least I hope so.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I am looking forward to hearing Dr Ndemo pay us the honor of explaining his official action. This is serious business. We are talking about the giving away of publicly owned rare resources.</div><div><br>
</div><div>John et al and Brian et al - stop taking sides and making it personal. It is not personal, it is business.</div><div><br></div><div>Joe<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:06 AM, John Maina <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com">j.maina@ymail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div>Crystal<br><br>Cheap argument. So Kenya doesnt have small Telekoms? Please stop these roadside mentality<br>
<br>We have our small telkoms and know that however long it will take to recover and get the crooks. We will get them<br><br>JM<br><br><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">
<br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Crystal Watley <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:crystal@voicesofafrica.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:crystal@voicesofafrica.org">crystal@voicesofafrica.org</a>><br>
To: Fred Okono <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:fredokono@cfsk.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:fredokono@cfsk.org">fredokono@cfsk.org</a>><br>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>; ke-users <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net">ke-internetusers@bdix.net</a>><br>
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 6:15:39 PM<br>Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested
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<div dir="ltr">Kenyans CAN own their own telecom. There is a minority owned telecom in the US and it is huge in Bangladesh. There is no reason why someone couldn't do it in Kenya. <br><br>Two questions: Who has the vision? Who has the funding?<br>
<br>Minority Owned Telecom in the United States<br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fsb/fsb_archive/2006/12/01/8395123/index.htm">http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fsb/fsb_archive/2006/12/01/8395123/index.htm</a><br>
<br>Grameen Phone in Bangladesh<br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.grameenphone.com/index.php?id=68">http://www.grameenphone.com/index.php?id=68</a><br><br>Asante sana,<br><br>Crystal<br><br>There comes time in everyone's life, where they have to stop talking and start doing....<br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Fred Okono <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:fredokono@cfsk.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:fredokono@cfsk.org">fredokono@cfsk.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Dear John, </font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">You are abviously a very angry person, shooting
straight from the hip - the only redeeming quality of your anger being that
on the face of it, it is inspired by a love of country. But can we keep it
civil?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Indeed Kenyans should own all our strategic and
fundamental infrastructure, but nothing is wrong with seeking foreign back-up on
our way to that rarefied goal. I'd rather we had fully foreign-owned enterprises
operating locally, employing a large number of my compatriots, paying taxes to
the government, creating greater consumer utility through competition and
generating auxilliary business opportunities both upstream and downstream than
have no such investments, locally owned or otherwise.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">And most importantly, there is no law stopping
enterprising Kenyans from making future bids - WHOLLY KENYAN - for such
opportunities! Like you rightly pointed out, the Safaricom IPO revealed our
hunger for sound investments - what we seem to lack are inspired local
entrepreneurs to harness this. We need more TransCenturies then we can
effectively take on those foreign investors and competitors without need for
extreme protectionist policies.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">As for PS Ndemo - he is one of our best. The very
fact that he is part of and an occassional contributor to this forum speaks of
his belief in transparency and accountability. And personal interraction with
him reinforces this impression. Please let us not pull down and drag in the mud
the few really good people we have!</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:20
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET
Scandal aand Vested Interests</div>
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<div>Nick</div>
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<div>You see that its only people like you who are in Kenya not to develope
Kenya but to exploit are the ones supporting Ndemo. Crooks like him. You are
known and even the BPO society know you as someone who is known not to support
the general development and economic improvement of thee country.</div>
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<div>You are known as someone who even his own staff he has consistently paid
poorly. When did Ndemo give Kenyans a chance to buy the companies and
they said they couldnt? He wouldd rather go to Libya and go and make secret
deals there. Am not suprised that you support him but know that no matter how
long it takees. Kenyans will recover Kenya from looters like you</div>
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<div>JM</div>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: nicholasnesbitt
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nnesbitt@kencall.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:nnesbitt@kencall.com">nnesbitt@kencall.com</a>><br>To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com">j.maina@ymail.com</a><br>Cc: KICTAnet ICT
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<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net">ke-internetusers@bdix.net</a>><br>Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:13:01
PM<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested
Interests<br><br>I agree totally.
<div><br></div>
<div>Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to
insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor
friendly and respectful environment.... Perhaps this person needs to put
their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different
perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to
invest in anything substantial in Kenya... </div>
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<div>It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money...
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<div>Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the
participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on
rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's
investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates that
they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment?
The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were
still required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea
kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into
partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in Kenya
and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment
unfriendly policies...
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<div>Bravo, Daktari Ndemo!</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to
be nothing less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through
the mud next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and
frank in this matter. <br><br>When are we in Kenya going to get past this
political mud slinging and look at the actual WORK performance of our
leaders? When I watch the news I see very few Kenyan political leaders
really working. They are always campaigning and pretending THAT is their
job. In many cases it IS their way of making money, although it is NOT what
we pay them for doing.<br><br>Most of our political leaders do not have the
ACTUAL work performance record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he
works. I have been in his office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who
know him have seen this is the rule NOT the exception. <br><br>Someday I
hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public office by their
actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They work for the
people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an employee. How
hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from their
initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We need
to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by
breaking the good ones down. <br><br>Asante sana.<br><br>Crystal<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe
<span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:brian@caret.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:brian@caret.net">brian@caret.net</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Smells
like a smear campaign to me.<br><br>I see nothing that Ndemo has done
wrong.<br><br>B<br>
<div><br>On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina
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