<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I think we are unnecessarily making a hero out of this (Professor?) John Maina. For those who have been on the KICATnet list long enough, you will recall that every 6months or so we do get such outbursts. The best solution is really to ignore the rantings unless ofcourse they become too repeative then you block them as spam.<br><br>The point is most of these lists were designed for serious ICT engagements by ICT professionals. And I will repeat what I told a previous chap with similar outburst 6months ago - "I do enjoy juicy, unsubstantiated stories/gossip, but I seek the correct forum for the same. Not on KICTAnet".<br><br>walu.<br>NB: Some of my juicy story sources include but are not limited to the Gutter press. I look forward to reading JMs article from there one of these days - but not on
KICTAnet.<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 10/7/08, Crystal Watley <i><crystal@voicesofafrica.org></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Crystal Watley <crystal@voicesofafrica.org><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests<br>To: jwalu@yahoo.com<br>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers@bdix.net><br>Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 9:11 PM<br><br><div id="yiv228079499"><div dir="ltr">Is this professional? Please see below.<br>
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM, John Maina <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com">j.maina@ymail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
And
you dont have to boast of your Kenyanness because having an American
Tatoo will never make me an American nor is having to exploit a young
ignorant African<br><br>Sir,<br>
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My husband is a well educated Kenyan who is two years my senior. You have no right to make such remarks on list or off. <br><br>Again, is mud slinging what you consider to be the mark of being a Kenyan? <br><br>The problem in Kenya is that people turn on each other instead of focusing on the problems and addressing them together. This leads to hate and violence that is uncalled for. Until we all commit to making a change in our mentalities and attitudes, from one of victimhood and name calling to one of empowerment, nothing will change.<br>
<br>HOW TO GET RID OF A BAD EMPLOYEE<br>First, you determine if their actual work performance is worth keeping
them in your company, organization, or GOVERNMENT. Second, if they are
found lacking, confront them directly in a calm and civilized manner
based on factual evidence. Third, if the factual evidence shows a
breach in their "contract" for employment, dismiss them. Fourth, if
they have broken laws take them to court. Hold them accountable.<br><br>Crystal<br><br>Is this professional? Please see below.<br><br>On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM, John Maina <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com">j.maina@ymail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
And
you dont have to boast of your Kenyanness because having an American
Tatoo will never make me an American nor is having to exploit a young
ignorant African<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">
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From: Crystal Watley <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:crystal@voicesofafrica.org">crystal@voicesofafrica.org</a>><br></div><div class="Ih2E3d">To: nicholasnesbitt <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:nnesbitt@kencall.com">nnesbitt@kencall.com</a>><br>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>; ke-users <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net">ke-internetusers@bdix.net</a>><br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:34:47 PM<br>Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests<br><br>
</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">Again. I like honesty. I know how a real Kenyan lives, obviously there is much you don't know about me, and I would never use a personal smear in such a discussion. Well, then maybe you are RIGHT. If that is the mark of a Kenyan. <br>
<br>I have suffered poverty and hunger in the village alongside women. I have carried water on my head for kilometers. Every day for over a year I hiked everywhere with my three year old daughter tied to my back in a kanga. <br>
<br>Sir, what is the mark of a Kenyan? <br><br>I have given everything I owned to Kenya twice. Once when I moved here and once when I had to evacuate the post-election violence. How many would be willing to give up everything they owned and live in poverty in a rural village to understand Kenya?<br>
<br>I respect you as a professional, but you have no right to judge my "Kenyanness" through a list forum.<br><br>Thank you.<br><br>Crystal<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM, nicholasnesbitt <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:nnesbitt@kencall.com">nnesbitt@kencall.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">I agree totally. <div><br></div><div>
Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor friendly and respectful environment... Perhaps this person needs to put their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to invest in anything substantial in Kenya... </div>
<div><br></div><div>It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money... </div><div><br></div></div></div><div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment? The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were still required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment unfriendly policies...<div>
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I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in this matter. <br>
<br>When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing.<br>
<br>Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is the rule NOT the exception. <br>
<br>Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by breaking the good ones down. <br>
<br>Asante sana.<br><br>Crystal<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:brian@caret.net">brian@caret.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d"> Smells like a smear campaign to me.<br> <br> I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong.<br>
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