<div dir="ltr">This is where i would agree with Dr Siganga that we are in dire need of an Authority that can be taken to task when such Systems fail so that Proper due diligence can be conducted before engaging in projects of this magnitude, we have a habit of doing things Hapharzadly just because they are being financed by tax payers, systems have never had problems it is always the human component that messes things up. A commission of enquiry might not help we have had so many reports and they are gathering dust somewhere, we need an Institutional mechanism to take care of such issues in the longterm. One other thing, dont we have the capacity to develop such applications locally? am perplexed at how 70% of our economy is driven by the Informal Sector yet we are so quick to give billions to foreign investors for what we can do here. THAT IS INTELLECTUAL THUGGERY! and it has to be stopped. Sorry Mr Moderator for using foul language but i dont know how best to put it.<br>
Thank you<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Sylvester Kisonzo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skisonzo@securenet.co.ke">skisonzo@securenet.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In addition to these, the idea should not just be trying to help
with the integration. Integration and compatibility issues ought to have been
dealt with long before an informed decision to procure the product was made.
Why should they be identifying problems after procuring – didn't they have sufficient
time to evaluate/test? Were they not happy enough that they were obtaining the
product that best fitted their requirements?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I can understand the predicament the suppliers might be caught
in. I do not expect a supplier to spend their time making their system work
with another, a job which may not have been costed initially.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">True, we need to understand the real issues. I am almost certain
that procedures were not followed. There are some very competent IT guys in
KPA, and most likely they never had the chance. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">So to the PS (and KPA), help is knocking.... not just to integrate
the systems at KPA but to establish (if they don't exist) or reinforce mechanisms
for successful government project implementations.</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">
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<b>Sent:</b> 25 August 2008 22:21<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Foreign Software Houses of Babel..in kenya.</span></p>
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<p>Actually Bill I think that this is just a clear and perfect
example (or expression) of the dire need for standards in Govt implementation
of ICT projects as well as coordination across departments.</p>
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<p>Since both of us are techies - we know that integration
between system no matter the origin or the language/database/message formats is
simply a matter of a deliberate integration process. Clearly that is missing in
this picture - and rather than deal with the real problem, the actors have
resorted to finger pointing/blame game and all the other forms of unhelpful and
time-wasting bureacracy that plague large institutions like governments (as
well as many corporates). I can assure that if there was commitment to process
and deliverables from the top down to the bottom, these issues could have/would
have been sorted ages ago.</p>
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<p>Our "Waafrika" problem is that when faced with
challenges we'd rather tear each other down than face the problems head on and
(together) tear them down.</p>
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<p>On Aug 25, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Bill Kagai wrote:</p>
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I am watching news in awe where they are reporting that Kenya Ports Authority
has deployed a Korean piece of software (Kwatos) to ease turn-around at the
Port but now its not working well with the Kenya Revenue Authority software
from Chile (Simba). Ofcourse both cost billions.<br>
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As the spanish-speaking chileans 'haga el informe con los otros extranjeros'
with the Koreans to '<span>소프트웨어를</span> <span>저희를</span> <span>위해</span>
<span>일한</span>' , sisi wakenya tunangoja
kusaidiwa. Mwafrika anajimaliza mwenyewe...as Baba Gideon would say. <<a href="http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt" target="_blank">http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt</a>><br>
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The result according to one Mureithi of Kenya Shipping Associations is that
port has now become a 'store' rather than a 'door' taking ages (14 days instead
of 3 days) to clear goods because of the software conflict. Here be
dragons...is this a kictanet sized problem...or do we just watch and comment
later in another study on this discussion forum????<br>
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Time for an ICT Commission of Inquiry ??? <br>
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Bill Kagai</p>
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