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Bw Waudo,<div><br></div><div>You need to read before you write - I said *most* independent, professional and focused (in Africa).</div><div><br></div><div>interpret that however you want to....</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Brian</div><div><br><div><html>On Jul 28, 2008, at 8:28 PM, waudo siganga wrote:</html><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><p>Hi Brian - I am intrigued by your announcement praising the "independence" of the CCK. I would like to put your assertions to debate. I am not sure how you define "independence". To me it means the organization is not controlled by any of its stakeholders in its decision-making. So who are the stakeholders? Sometime back it was only Government and some "private sector". We have recently correctly included civil society. Maybe we need to add the technical community as well as academia. I cannot recall the provisions of the enabling instrument (Info and Comms Act) but the point I would like to make is that all the reps of the "stakeholders" on the Board are appointed BY THE GOVERNMENT. I am open to correction but I cannot recall any point in time when the private sector has been approached to nominate private sector reps to the CCK Board. Perhaps same for other stakeholders. If the resultant Board ends up being described as "Independent" then perhaps my online dictionary has been hit hard by a virus. Compare this with Government bodies like the Public Procurement Oversight Authority. The enabling instrument, Public Procurement and Disposals Act 2005 clearly sets forth how the governing organs like the Advisory Board are set up. There is a bottom up participatory process where stakeholders, including associations, are empowered by the Act to nominate persons they know well from their industry spheres, and the Minister for Finance makes his final selections only from the resultant list. Somewhere in that Act the Computer Society of Kenya is listed explicitly as a nominating agency. I have never seen such provisions in the Board nomination processes for ICT related public entities including the CCK. Maybe if you have better information you can let me know the process how the Board of CCK gets to be populated then hopefully I can believe you that CCK is "independent".</p><p>Waudo</p><pre>On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:54:13 +0300, "Brian Longwe" <<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>> said:
</pre><blockquote class="QuoteMessage" type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Bw Wafula,<br><br>I can assure you - after many years of working with regulators and operators across all of Africa Kenya has the most independent, proffesional and focused regulatory authority.<br><br>Take a look at South Africa - capture - spells out what ICASA has been under since inception<br><br>What country can you point to that has the levels of independence and autonomy that CCK has.<br><br>Brian<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:15 AM, joseph wafula <<a href="mailto:muliaro@yahoo.com">muliaro@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit" valign="top"><div> <br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I congratulate Mr Njoroge for the appointment as DG for CCK, however I still find the criteria used weak if what was in last Saturday Nation newspaper was part of the criteria. What is clear is that we are far from expecting CCK to meet WTO expectation of an independent regulator. CCK is strongly under what I term "political capture". The issue of salary one earns as a prerequisite for short-listing for the post makes it even worse in my view. What is the future for such criteria in the eyes of all stakeholders particularly those in private sector, Foregn Direct Investors etc? the question is, how can such officer be free from government influence and special interest? Perhaps the criteria of appointment need to be revised to give an independent outfit and sectoral professionalsm to CCK DG position.<span> </span></span></p><div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dr Muliaro Wafula</span></p><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Lecturer JKUAT & Director </span></p><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Kenya E-governance and E-Content Backbone</span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font></font></p><p><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 7/23/08, Shem Ochuodho <i><<a href="mailto:shemochuodho@yahoo.com" target="_blank">shemochuodho@yahoo.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></p><blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Shem Ochuodho <<a href="mailto:shemochuodho@yahoo.com" target="_blank">shemochuodho@yahoo.com</a>><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG<br></div>To: <a href="mailto:muliaro@yahoo.com" target="_blank">muliaro@yahoo.com</a><br>Cc: "New Vision List" <<a href="mailto:newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com</a>>, "Robert Onyango-Alai" <<a href="mailto:alai.robert@gmail.com" target="_blank">alai.robert@gmail.com</a>>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:14 AM<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top"><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dougi,</span></p><div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Of course Google (and its variants!) has never been the only method to gauge qualification! Sadly, it is/they are the only measure we have these days, especially for ICT!</span></p><div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Brian, I have never known in any profession what you say to be a parameter for qualification or eligibility. Otherwise if it were, wouldn't people like Atieno Ochola (gender notwithstanding), Matano Ndaro, Michael Katundu, John Omo, and many more at CCK be as much deserving?</span></p><div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Lest am asked: 'declare your interest', let me do so. The other day I noticed an MP (who is either a present or past CCK director) contribute to a motion on CCK without 'declaring interest'; he was lucky to get away with it. I too applied for this job, not because I expected to be considered, but to find out if Kenya had changed; if we had moved on to a New Kenya where it didn't matter where [in Kenya] you came from, who you knew, whose son/daughter you had married, etc. We do not seem to have learnt from the events of the turn of the [last] year! Kenya appears to be sitting on a time bomb. Formation of the coalition does not seem to have detonated it.</span></p><div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have previously contended that Kenyan informaticians are endangered. How right I am/was. The words 'mediocricity, political expediency, ethnic bigotry' keep ringing on my ears. So, it now appears we cannot find an eligible informatician to lead CCK and we have to get an economist! I wait for the day, for instance, when the IMF shall be headed by an informatician, or one James Rege shall be Finance Minister! Short of the ICT professionals organizing themselves and regaining their space, we have a long wait.</span></p><div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Best rgrds,</span></p><p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Shem</span></p><p>--- On <b>Mon, 7/21/08, Brian Munyao Longwe <i><<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" target="_blank">blongwe@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></p><blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Brian Munyao Longwe <<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" target="_blank">blongwe@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG<br>To: "Shem Ochuodho" <<a href="mailto:shemochuodho@yahoo.com" target="_blank">shemochuodho@yahoo.com</a>><br>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:54 PM<br><br><div><div>IMHO Njoroge has been "the power behind the throne" for every one of the <br> last DGs. I think he will make an excellent leader. His time has come. </div><div><br></div><div>Congrats Bw Njoroge</div><div><br></div><div>Brian<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 21 Jul 2008, at 9:32 PM, "waudo siganga" <<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p>Anyone with background info on new DG? Google only has the appointment dd 21/7 </p><pre>On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:40:24 +0300, "Wainaina Mungai" <<a href="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">wainaina@madeinkenya.org</a>> said:
</pre><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">I would assume Nyaki meant "effective engagement" rather than "effective management"<br><br>Regards<br>Wainaina<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Catherine Adeya <<a href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow"></a><a href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">elizaslider@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div>Walu,<br><br>Your suggestion for 3.5 is good though I think it should simply be 'How to organize Associations for Effective Managment with the Government.<br><br>Unless I heard wrong, KTN Sunrise news this morning announced Mr Charles Kinyanjui Njoroge as the new CCK DG.<br><br>Nyaki<br></div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif"><br><div style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif">----- Original Message ----<br>From: John Walubengo <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow"></a><a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow"></a><a href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">elizaslider@yahoo.com</a><br>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow"></a><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:31:33 PM<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Forum Agenda - Lets focus<br><br>Harry,<br><br>Indeed it would be a public forum - but to what extend has the message gone outside Nairobi given that most listservers have subscribers in NRB? Maybe there's need to have the traditional notice in the print media. <br><br>As for the Agenda proposed and copied below,<br>1. Forum Objectives<br>2. Association presentations<br>3. General Discussion<br>4. Way forward<br><br>I would add - 3.5. How to Organise the different Associations for effective engagement with Govt.<br><br>walu.<br>nb: meanwhile, unconfirmed reports from my moles indicate that a new DG for CCK has been unveiled. Anybody with such a copy?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br></div></div></div><br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow"></a><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br><br>This message was sent to: <a href="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow"></a><a href="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">wainaina@madeinkenya.org</a><br>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina@madeinkenya.org" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina@madeinkenya.org" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina%40madeinkenya.org</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Made in Kenya Network<br><br>P. O. Box 72031 - 00200<br>Nairobi. Kenya<br>Tel: +254-20-3590451<br>Cel: +254-722-811171<br>Cel: +254-735-370840<br><a href="http://www.madeinkenya.org/" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.madeinkenya.org/" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">www.madeinkenya.org</a><br><br><a href="http://www.bungesms.com/" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.bungesms.com/" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">www.bungesms.com</a><br><br><a href="http://www.pamonet.org/" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.pamonet.org/" target="_blank" defanged_rel="nofollow">www.pamonet.org</a> </div></blockquote><pre>People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius).
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