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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Brian,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That has been my position on this throughout. In my
view, which I expressed to KIF, calling an abrupt meeting would not augur
well for KIF.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is important to give ample notice, invite all
concerned parties and discuss the matters arising.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I believe this should put matters to
rest.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Kind regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Gilda Odera<BR>Managing Director<BR>Skyweb Technologies Ltd<BR>Tel:
254-20-2711446/2711760<BR>Fax: 254-20-2713934<BR><A
href="www.skyweb.co.ke">URL:www.skyweb.co.ke</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=blongwe@gmail.com href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">Brian Munyao
Longwe</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=godera@skyweb.co.ke
href="mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke">Gilda Odera</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 14, 2008 7:22 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
Discipline & Ethics</DIV>
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<DIV>I met Kevit yester evening. Purely by mistake as I wasnt aware of his
e-invite. Nevertheless we h a good chat and basically agreed on the importance
of having a public forum where different ICT bodies could introduce themselves
and their governance structures. It would also be a good opportunity to gauge
the relevance/value/purpose of the different bodies.</DIV>
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<DIV>My brief....</DIV>
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<DIV>Brian<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On 13 Jul 2008, at 9:59 PM, "Tim Rick" <<A
href="mailto:timrick@gmail.com">timrick@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I would love to know how many of the people here met Kevit and the
results.the discussion is just making me realise Kenyans have woken up after
the Grand Saga.So Kevit?Any good discussions you had and way
forward?<BR><BR>
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Topics:<BR><BR> 1. Re: Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation
and<BR> Regulationfore-Commerce in Kenya (kevit
desai)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message:
1<BR>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:37:11 +0300<BR>From: "kevit desai" <<A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and<BR>
Regulationfore-Commerce in Kenya<BR>To: <<A
href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com">kiriinya2000@yahoo.com</A></A>><BR>Cc:
'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <<A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A></A>><BR>Message-ID:
<<A href="mailto:E1KHy1I-0008Rn-Cw@mail01.safaricom.com"><A
href="mailto:E1KHy1I-0008Rn-Cw@mail01.safaricom.com">E1KHy1I-0008Rn-Cw@mail01.safaricom.com</A></A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>Why don't we all meet at the
Jacaranda, land mark, Westlands at 5.00pm<BR>today. At the
poolside.<BR><BR>Informal discussion. I will be waiting.<BR><BR>Kevit
Desai<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> _____<BR><BR>From:
kictanet-bounces+kevit=<A href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com"
target=_blank>centurionsystemsltd.com</A>@<A
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke"
target=_blank>lists.kictanet.or.ke</A><BR>[mailto:<A
href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit">kictanet-bounces+kevit</A>=<A
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com"
target=_blank>centurionsystemsltd.com</A>@<A
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke"
target=_blank>lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>]<BR>On Behalf Of wesley
kiriinya<BR>Sent: 13 July 2008 10:52<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A><BR>Cc:
KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<BR>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discipline
& Ethics - Re: Legislation and<BR>Regulationfore-Commerce in
Kenya<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gentlemen,<BR><BR>Before these so called
foreigners got these positions that Kenyans would<BR>have occupied, what
were Kenyans waiting for? (Honest question.)<BR><BR>If there is a higher
appointing authority that picks these so called<BR>foreigners over Kenyans
then it's them to blame (if there is a good reason).<BR><BR>That said, as
much as free speech is appreciated, so is discretion. Sorry to<BR>say but
it is embarrassing to read some of these
posts.<BR><BR>Regards.<BR><BR><BR>--- On Sun, 7/13/08, waudo siganga
<<A href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"><A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>From: waudo siganga <<A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"><A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</A></A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and
Regulation<BR>fore-Commerce in Kenya<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com">kiriinya2000@yahoo.com</A></A><BR>Cc:
"'kictanet-lists'" <<A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A></A>><BR>Date:
Sunday, July 13, 2008, 9:19 AM<BR><BR>Hi All - I am the one that asserted
that Kenyan (ICT) associations should be<BR>run by Kenyans and I stand by
that. It has absolutely nothing to do with<BR>racism. Every country has
policies to protect its people. Even in the USA<BR>you can only stand for
president if you were born American. Is that racism?<BR>Associations are
at the heart of pushing for policy and it pains me to see<BR>foreigners
jostling Kenyans out of the way and being the ones running up<BR>and
down the Government corridors carrying "position papers".<BR><BR>I find it
deplorable that Brian is using his position on the list to<BR>threaten to
unsubscribe those who do not agree with his views and consign<BR>them to
the Nyayo House dungeons. Brian you have been partisan on these<BR>issues
throughout. You are issuing "apologies" to people you already
sided<BR>with and they are quickly "accepting". At one time you were
saying we visit<BR>KIF to see how they run meetings as though suggesting
Kenyans do not know<BR>how to run meetings. Is this the Brian I knew or
someone using your mail<BR>account? Tafadhali, wacha wananchi wasema hata
kama uko pande ile ingine.<BR><BR>Waudo<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Sat, 12 Jul 2008
19:52:02 +0300, "kevit desai"<BR><<A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>>
said:<BR><BR>Dear Brian,<BR><BR>Apologies accepted. And thank you Mr
Chairman.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Wambui it is acceptable to challenge governance
structures and also wish to<BR>know more about associations. How else will
we seek your support with some<BR>off the very exciting things we are
doing.<BR><BR><BR><BR>What deeply concerns me is the notion that
associations should be run by<BR>Kenyans. We all have to rise well above
this, especially when we see the<BR>success and contributions of some
people. Kenya 's grateful to have<BR>people like Mike Eldon,
Steve Smith, Michael Joseph, Marcel Werner , and<BR>others, they have
contributed so much. Even to the peace process let alone<BR>the advances
in ICT's.<BR><BR>Kictanet must stamp out any form of racist remarks. This
is the lowest of<BR>the lowest, and contributes to disengagement. Rules
have to be put in place.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Your leadership is a sigh of
relief. And I look forward to you uniting us<BR>all to a common vision of
ICT's for National development.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I am
waiting..<BR><BR><BR><BR>Kevit
Desai<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> _____<BR><BR><BR>From:
kictanet-bounces+kevit=<A href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com"
target=_blank>centurionsystemsltd.com</A>@<A
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke"
target=_blank>lists.kictanet.or.ke</A><BR>[mailto:<A
href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit">kictanet-bounces+kevit</A>=<A
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com"
target=_blank>centurionsystemsltd.com</A>@<A
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke"
target=_blank>lists.kictanet.or.ke</A>]<BR>On Behalf Of Brian Munyao
Longwe<BR>Sent: 12 July 2008 09:50<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A><BR>Cc:
kictanet-lists<BR>Subject: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re:
Legislation and Regulation<BR>fore-Commerce in Kenya<BR><BR><BR><BR>Dear
Marcel/Kevit/KIF,<BR><BR><BR><BR>I will personally take this opportunity
to apologize on behalf of KICTANET<BR>for the ills which KIF has suffered
in the recent dialogue.<BR><BR><BR><BR>As Kevit (and you) have clearly
pointed out, KiF has welcomed anyone with<BR>questions to have these
answered in person while at the same time providing<BR>as many answers as
this media allows.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I know both yourself and Kevit to be men
of integrity and seriously<BR>dedicated to the advancement of IcTs in
Kenya . I now humbly beg you to<BR>forgive the indiscretions by some of
our members in their misuse of this<BR>forum.<BR><BR><BR><BR>As
Chairperson of this Network I will not stand by and see this forum
turned<BR>into the kind of low and despicable rant-fests that have
characterised<BR>certain other Kenyan lists and blogs.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I
hereby request a public apology to KIF on this list, from Alex,
by<BR>Tuesday, failing which I will suspend his (and any other member who
persists<BR>in mudslinging) list membership for one
month.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I once again humbly appeal to all members of this
list to desist from the<BR>kind of myopic, vindictive banter that we have
recently witnessed. We must<BR>work *together* for a better Kenya , and
this will not come through<BR>tomfoolery and irresponsible
words/actions.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Sincerely<BR><BR><BR><BR>Brian Munyao
Longwe<BR><BR>Chairman, KICTANET<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone<BR><BR><BR>On
11 Jul 2008, at 10:44 PM, " Marcel Werner " <<A
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</A></A>><BR>wrote:<BR><BR>Hello
Kictanet membership,<BR><BR>The Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) is a reputable
organization, duly registered<BR>and maintaining a proper governance
system with a registered, paid-up<BR>membership base consisting of equally
reputable ICT associations and<BR>companies.<BR><BR>KIF has done a number
of useful things over the period of its existence (see<BR>Kevit's posting,
earlier this week).<BR><BR>Recent postings on the Kictanet list appear to
discredit our own<BR>organization KIF and its members with insinuations
and slander. This is<BR>unacceptable.<BR><BR>The Kictanet web-site shows
KIF as a member of Kictanet (nr 8). We do not<BR>wish to be associated
with an organization that lends itself to unhelpful<BR>campaigns by
individuals, campaigns that can go on with impunity. There is<BR>no need
at all to damage our and other's initiatives that are being<BR>implemented
in the public interest (see again Kevit's posting) by informal<BR>networks
with doubtful legitimacy. Please note that KIF has never signed
any<BR>membership instrument with Kictanet, neither have we been charged
nor have<BR>we paid for any membership fees. (page 9 of the Kenya ICT
Action Network<BR>Competence Status Survey Assessment Report (posted
on<BR><<A href="http://www.kictanet.or.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.kictanet.or.ke/">http://www.kictanet.or.ke/</A></A>>
<A href="http://www.kictanet.or.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.kictanet.or.ke/">http://www.kictanet.or.ke/</A></A>)
highlights the<BR>membership problems of Kictanet. Personally I had
highlighted this<BR>membership problem already a year ago in the interview
that Kictanet held<BR>with us some time mid 2007 in the evaluation study
of its role and<BR>performance - I have to conclude today that membership
management has never<BR>been addressed at Kictanet). We instruct Kictanet
to remove KIF from its<BR>list of its appointed "Members".<BR><BR>We look
forward to be part of a Kictanet that has a legitimate
constituency<BR>because there is need for a place of dialogue between
civil society and<BR>private sector. Kictanet is not playing such a role
today at all and creates<BR>a space for civil society to alienate itself
from the private sector.<BR>Kictanet needs to clean up its
house.<BR><BR>We need serious dialogue, between all sectors in society,
and we need to<BR>reach out internationally. We don't have time for any
nonsense.<BR><BR>Best regards, Marcel Werner , chairman of KIF
:)<BR><BR><BR><BR>2008/7/11 kevit desai < <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>><BR><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>>:<BR><BR>Alex,<BR>Kenya
ICT Federation is a serious and well established
organization,<BR>supported by its members who are also reputable and well
established<BR>organizations.<BR>I confirm Centurion systems does not
receive any money from KIF. Please<BR>verify the Business advocacy funds
contributions and conditions since your<BR>information is false.<BR><BR>It
is not right to publish insinuations affecting KIF and its membership
on<BR>a forum like Kictanet. Especially, since I have extended an
invitation to<BR>meet so that I can give further explanations. I am
waiting to gauge the<BR>interest in this invitation.<BR><BR>For now I
close my participation.<BR><BR>Kevit
Desai<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
Gakuru , Alex [mailto: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com">alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com</A></A>><BR><A
href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com">alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com</A></A>]<BR>Sent:
11 July 2008 17:24<BR><BR>To: kevit desai<BR>Cc:
kictanet-lists<BR>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
e-Commerce in Kenya<BR><BR>Kevit;<BR><BR>KIF recently received Kshs 3.5
grant million from a certain business fund.<BR>I am curious centurion
system hosts them under their CSR?<BR><BR>Public forum to explain all
dealings openly and transparently?.<BR><BR>regards,<BR><BR>On 7/11/08,
kevit desai < <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>><BR><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Dear
Sylvester,<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Thank you for all the interest
shown. Some of you would like further<BR>> information on the following
activities:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Historical &
present- Impact<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -
Ministerial stakeholder forum (regular sectoral
discussions<BR>> private sector - Government, with
KEPSA)<BR>><BR>> - Power up with
ICT nation - wide awareness campaigns (2004,<BR>2005,<BR>>
2006)<BR>><BR>> - E-Government -
municipal councils<BR>><BR>> -
Open source software community<BR>><BR>> -
E-commerce legislation<BR>><BR>> -
Engineering student exhibition - 1997 -
2008<BR>><BR>> - ICT Bills (2006 -
2008)<BR>><BR>> - Creation of
INFOCOM Ministry (2003)<BR>><BR>> -
National ICT Policy formulation (2004 - 2006)<BR>><BR>> -
Tax reforms 2006, 2007,
2008<BR>><BR>> - National
innovation system<BR>><BR>> -
University Education Reforms Task Force (2006 -
current)<BR>><BR>> -
PSDS<BR>><BR>> - Africon
2009<BR>><BR>> - Public panels
with Kenya ICT Board<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Associations:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -
KEPSA<BR>><BR>> -
KIF<BR>><BR>> -
IEEE<BR>><BR>> - Kenya
software industry association<BR>><BR>><BR>> Please confirm your
interest in a meeting. This will allow me to gauge<BR>level<BR>> of
participation so as to plan the venue and also mobilize the
relevant<BR>> leaders. If you are not on board, it would be great to
have you on board.<BR>We<BR>> need your
support<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Kevit
Desai<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Director of Engineering - Centurion
Systems<BR>><BR>> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section<BR>><BR>>
Chairman - Engineering students exhibition<BR>><BR>> Governor -
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Education<BR>><BR>> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable
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]<BR>> On Behalf Of Brian Longwe<BR>> Sent: 10 July 2008
18:57<BR>> To: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>>
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Cc: kictanet-lists<BR>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation
and Regulation for e-Commerce
in<BR>Kenya<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi
Sylvester,<BR>><BR>> Thank you so very much for highlighting
yet another way in which KICTANET<BR>> is beneficial to the communicat
at large. through KICTANET we all learn so<BR>> many good things that
are happening in/around - and can then make our own<BR>> decisions as
to whether to follow up/engage.<BR>><BR>>
Regards,<BR>><BR>> Brian<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Thu,
Jul 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Sylvester Kisonzo<BR>> < <mailto:<A
href="mailto:skisonzo@securenet.co.ke"><A
href="mailto:skisonzo@securenet.co.ke">skisonzo@securenet.co.ke</A></A>>
<A href="mailto:skisonzo@securenet.co.ke"><A
href="mailto:skisonzo@securenet.co.ke">skisonzo@securenet.co.ke</A></A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> And where can I read (or get
information) about all these new names to me?<BR>> KEPSA, KIF, etc?
Until recently when I joined this group, I had
never<BR>heard<BR>> of them. So I wonder how all the 'stakeholders'
have all along been<BR>> involved.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
SK<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> From:<BR>>
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]<BR>> On Behalf Of Joseph Manthi<BR>> Sent: 09 July 2008
20:47<BR>> To: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:skisonzo@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:skisonzo@gmail.com">skisonzo@gmail.com</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:skisonzo@gmail.com"><A
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Cc: kictanet-lists<BR>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation
and Regulation for e-Commerce
in<BR>Kenya<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Waudo:<BR>>
I would like to pose a simple question:<BR>><BR>> Why
are these associations needed?<BR>><BR>>
Joe<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, waudo
siganga <<BR><mailto:<A href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"><A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</A></A>>
<A href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"><A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</A></A>><BR>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> Brian - DFID set up KEPSA in 2001 to unite the
private sector voice. The<BR>> idea was to bring together
EXISTING associations. Someone got early wind<BR>> that ICT was
one of the identified sectors and decided to register a NEW<BR>>
association ostensibly as an umbrella body. The real umbrella body
was<BR>> actually supposed to be KEPSA, under its ICT Board.
Period. Why did<BR>> someone find a pressing need to form a NEW
association???<BR>><BR>> Anyway right now that is history and
KEPSA ICT Board is on the right<BR>> track with all associations
on board. We have to struggle to make sure<BR>> it stays that
way. I do not understand why you seem to be insisting on<BR>>
someone visiting KIF. What is the value addition? What can one
discover<BR>> there??? Some say there are personal companies
underneath and KIF is the<BR>> front but I do not wish to walk in
that mud. My interest is KEPSA ICT<BR>> Board not being equated
with KIF.<BR>> Waudo<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On
Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:31:54 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"<BR>> <
<mailto:<A href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</A></A>>
said:<BR>> > Actually if my memory serves me right. KIF is
KEPSAs "child" i.e when<BR>> > KEPSA decided to have sector
clusters KIF was established *by* KEpsa<BR>> > to act as the
umbrella for ICT private sector.<BR>> ><BR>> > But
I stand to be corrected if I'm getting my facts wrong. But if I am<BR>>
> right then it *is* important for any critics to understand the
inner<BR>> > workings by visiting.<BR>> ><BR>>
> I am urging action instead of just talk.<BR>>
><BR>> > Brian<BR>> ><BR>> >
Sent from my iPhone<BR>> ><BR>> > On 09 Jul 2008,
at 6:39 PM, "waudo siganga" <<BR><mailto:<A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"><A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</A></A>>
<A href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"><A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</A></A>><BR>>
> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > > Hi Brian - I
do not think that the issue is an interest in the<BR>> > >
internal<BR>> > > operations of KIF. We are talking
governance in the context of KEPSA/<BR>> > > KIF<BR>>
> > relationship, something also of interest to the consumer
community.<BR>> > > For<BR>> > > your
information last year all stakeholders held a meeting in KEPSA<BR>>
> > and<BR>> > > decided to open membership to
all interested Private Sector<BR>> > > associations. This
was after it was observed that the hitherto<BR>> > >
stranglehold on KEPSA by KIF meant that the sector was not
adequately<BR>> > > represented. Some people may have felt
unhappy or even insecure with<BR>> > > this development.
The problem is that my friend Kevit, being the<BR>KEPSA<BR>> >
> ICT director uses his position to constantly market KIF as if it is
a<BR>> > > favoured player in KEPSA (e.g. "I would like to
confirm that the<BR>> > > KEPSA/KIF relationship is
vibrant." - as if implying the other<BR>> > > associations
are dead) He is often busy promoting "KIF Positions"<BR>> >
> instead of "KEPSA Positions" including using KIF letterheads at
the<BR>> > > MSFs. I have misgivings about the current ICT
leadership in KEPSA<BR>> > > but I<BR>> > >
am hopeful things will change.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Waudo<BR>> > ><BR>> > > On Wed, 9 Jul
2008 16:54:41 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"<BR>> > > <
<mailto:<A href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</A></A>>
said:<BR>> > >> Hi Alex,<BR>> >
>><BR>> > >> I would find it hard to imagine how
much more Kevit can explain to<BR>> > >> you<BR>>
> >> about KIF.<BR>> > >><BR>>
> >> I would like to suggest that Kevit extend an
invitation to you (and<BR>> > >> anyone else who might
be interested/concerned) to attend the next<BR>KIF<BR>> >
>> meeting as an observer and see/feel the animal yourself.<BR>>
> >><BR>> > >> Brian<BR>> >
>><BR>> > >> Sent from my iPhone<BR>>
> >><BR>> > >> On 09 Jul 2008, at 3:45
PM, Alex Gakuru <<BR><mailto:<A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</A></A>><BR>>
> >> wrote:<BR>> > >><BR>> >
>>> Kevit:<BR>> > >>><BR>> >
>>> I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I shall not
ask you<BR>> > >>> further KEPSA questions although
on your previous email you told<BR>> > >>> Waundo "As
the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other<BR>> >
>>> association to full membership of KEPSA." Apparently this
now<BR>> > >>> appears to have changed. And I doubt
Waundo complained of<BR>> > >>> "exclusion" not of
his private self, rather of CSK? I could be<BR>wrong<BR>> >
>>> but he could clarify.<BR>> > >>><BR>>
> >>> On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a "Local
Software Industry<BR>> > >>> Association established"
with, among others, "3.1 Objective, Market<BR>> > >>>
the local software industry to venture capitalists." (see<BR>>
> >>> announcement document attached) Was it registered
under Societies<BR>> > >>> Act<BR>> >
>>> ( Read Public interest) or as Private (non-or-for-profit)
Company?<BR>I<BR>> > >>> found it strange it was
formed 3 days to aour very successful and<BR>> > >>>
OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your umbrella?<BR>> >
>>><BR>> > >>> On the links you sent
onlist:<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>>
<<A href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/">http://www.innovation-africa.net/</A></A>>
<A href="http://www.innovation-africa.net" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net">www.innovation-africa.net</A></A><BR><<A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/">http://www.innovation-africa.net/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>><BR>> > >>> Domain Name: <A
href="http://INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET"
target=_blank>INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET</A> <<A
href="http://innovation-africa.net/" target=_blank><A
href="http://innovation-africa.net/">http://innovation-africa.net/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>> Registrar: TUCOWS INC.<BR>> >
>>> Whois Server: <A href="http://whois.tucows.com"
target=_blank>whois.tucows.com</A> <<A href="http://whois.tucows.com/"
target=_blank><A
href="http://whois.tucows.com/">http://whois.tucows.com/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>> Referral URL: <<A
href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/" target=_blank><A
href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/">http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/</A></A>><BR><A
href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net" target=_blank><A
href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net">http://domainhelp.opensrs.net</A></A>
<<A href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/" target=_blank><A
href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/">http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>> Name Server: <A
href="http://ULTRA103.UK2.NET" target=_blank>ULTRA103.UK2.NET</A> <<A
href="http://ultra103.uk2.net/" target=_blank><A
href="http://ultra103.uk2.net/">http://ultra103.uk2.net/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>> Name Server: <A
href="http://ULTRA104.UK2.NET" target=_blank>ULTRA104.UK2.NET</A> <<A
href="http://ultra104.uk2.net/" target=_blank><A
href="http://ultra104.uk2.net/">http://ultra104.uk2.net/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>> Status: redemptionPeriod<BR>> >
>>> Updated Date: 24-jun-2008<BR>> >
>>> Creation Date: 14-may-2007<BR>> >
>>> Expiration Date: 14-may-2008<BR>> >
>>><BR>> > >>> I tried <<A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/">http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/</A></A>><BR><A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke">www.innovation-africa.co.ke</A></A>
<<A href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/">http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/</A></A>>
>> was<BR>re-directing to >><BR>> <<A
href="http://www.kif.or.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.kif.or.ke/">http://www.kif.or.ke/</A></A>> <A
href="http://www.kif.or.ke" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.kif.or.ke">www.kif.or.ke</A></A> <<A
href="http://www.kif.or.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.kif.or.ke/">http://www.kif.or.ke/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>> ( but today it now says "under construction") I
gather Centurion<BR>> > >>> Systems offices
accommodates KIF, is that correct?<BR>> > >>><BR>>
> >>> What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in
the background<BR>> > >>> when when "KIF" issues
"stakeholders" statements on an issue,how<BR>> > >>>
representative or public service-oriented, good governance, in<BR>>
> >>> trying to understand new and old associations'
motives.<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>>
With above information, it would clear doubts of public policy<BR>>
> >>> participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public
procurement<BR>> > >>> involvement(s). For the sake
of our growing transparent ICTs<BR>> > >>> abundantly
rewarding enterprising citizens.<BR>> > >>><BR>>
> >>><BR>> > >>> Alex<BR>>
> >>><BR>> > >>><BR>> >
>>> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai<BR>> < <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>>
<A href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>><BR>>
> >>> wrote:<BR>> > >>><BR>>
> >>>> From: kevit desai < <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>><BR><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for e-Commerce<BR>> > >>>> in
Kenya<BR>> > >>>> To: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</A></A><BR>>
> >>>> Cc: "'kictanet-lists'"<BR>> <
<mailto:<A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A></A>>
<A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM<BR>>
> >>>> Hi Alex,<BR>> >
>>>><BR>> > >>>> I'm pleased to
clarify as much as I can.<BR>> > >>>><BR>>
> >>>> Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector
industry and<BR>> > >>>> market segment<BR>>
> >>>> associations in almost all economic sectors.
Independence :<BR>> > >>>> KEPSA decisions<BR>>
> >>>> are dependent on members wishes, and members
are drawn from<BR>> > >>>> the private<BR>>
> >>>> sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached
for<BR>> > >>>> membership in KEPSA,
neither<BR>> > >>>> are government bodies
including parastatals. KIF follows<BR>> > >>>> the
same approach<BR>> > >>>> for membership and
decision-making. No NGO's and<BR>> > >>>>
government agencies are<BR>> > >>>> member ofn
KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult on a REGULAR<BR>> >
>>>> BASIS with all<BR>> > >>>> those
stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA and KIF have no<BR>> >
>>>> obligation to<BR>> > >>>> offer
service to non members.<BR>> > >>>><BR>>
> >>>> Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in
touch with Sam<BR>> > >>>> Mwaura of KEPSA
or<BR>> > >>>> Marcel Werner of KIF.<BR>>
> >>>><BR>> > >>>><BR>>
> >>>> Kevit<BR>> >
>>>><BR>> > >>>><BR>> >
>>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> >
>>>> From: Alex Gakuru [mailto: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</A></A>><BR><A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</A></A>]<BR>>
> >>>> Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45<BR>> >
>>>> To: kevit desai<BR>> > >>>> Cc:
kictanet-lists<BR>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet]
Legislation and Regulation for<BR>> > >>>>
e-Commerce in Kenya<BR>> > >>>><BR>> >
>>>> Kevit,<BR>> > >>>><BR>>
> >>>><BR>> > >>>> How does
KEPSA and KIF governance relate ensuring decisions<BR>> >
>>>> independence?<BR>> > >>>> The
political issue here may be monopolization to the<BR>> >
>>>> extent of clouding out<BR>> >
>>>> other actors thereby generating conflict. The Motive
Theory<BR>> > >>>> steps in.<BR>> >
>>>><BR>> > >>>> We investigate the
effects of competition on subjects'<BR>> > >>>>
attitude towards<BR>> > >>>> cooperation. Three
groups face three economic environments<BR>> >
>>>> with different<BR>> > >>>>
degrees of competition, from a benchmark case with no<BR>> >
>>>> competition at all up<BR>> > >>>>
to a perfect competition case. Subjects contribute<BR>> >
>>>> generously to a public<BR>> >
>>>> project in the absence of competition, whereas
they<BR>> > >>>> contribute very little<BR>>
> >>>> in the presence of a maximum degree of
competition. A<BR>> > >>>> diminishing
attitude<BR>> > >>>> towards cooperation clearly
emerges as the degree of<BR>> > >>>> competition
increases.<BR>> > >>>> Therefore, if cooperation
does enhance well-being, the<BR>> > >>>> maximum
degree of<BR>> > >>>> competition may be not
efficient.<BR>> > >>>><BR>> >
>>>><BR>><BR><<BR><<A
href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba"
target=_blank><A
href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba</A></A><BR>><BR><A
href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba"
target=_blank><A
href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba</A></A><BR>>
> >>>> 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb><BR>> >
>>>><BR>> > >>>> react.<BR>>
> >>>><BR>> > >>>><BR>>
> >>>> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai<BR>>
> >>>> < <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>><BR><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>>
wrote:<BR>> > >>>><BR>> >
>>>>> From: kevit desai<BR>> > >>>>
< <mailto:<A href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>><BR><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for<BR>> > >>>> e-Commerce in
Kenya<BR>> > >>>>> To: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</A></A><BR>>
> >>>>> Cc: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</A></A>,<BR>"'KICTAnet
ICT<BR>> > >>>> Policy Discussions'"<BR>>
> >>>> < <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A></A>><BR><A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14
PM<BR>> > >>>>> Hi Waudo,<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> As the
director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other<BR>> >
>>>>> association to full<BR>> >
>>>>> membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a
meaningful<BR>> > >>>>> partnership.<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> Kevit
Desai<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
_____<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>> From: waudo siganga<BR>> [mailto: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"><A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</A></A>>
<A href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"><A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</A></A>]<BR>>
> >>>>> Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55<BR>>
> >>>>> To: Kevit Desai<BR>> >
>>>>> Cc: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</A></A>;<BR>'KICTAnet
ICT Policy<BR>> > >>>>> Discussions'<BR>>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for<BR>> > >>>>> e-Commerce in
Kenya<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>> Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be
careful when<BR>> > >>>> handling<BR>>
> >>>>> KEPSA and KIF at<BR>> >
>>>>> the same time. Do not use your foothold in KEPSA
to<BR>> > >>>> promote<BR>> >
>>>>> KIF at the<BR>> > >>>>>
expense of other associations. The explanation is very<BR>> >
>>>>> simple: KEPSA was<BR>> >
>>>>> formed as a focal point, a bringing together<BR>>
> >>>> characterised<BR>> >
>>>>> by INCLUSIVITY.<BR>> >
>>>>> KIF on the other hand is an independent
association<BR>> > >>>> and the<BR>> >
>>>>> nature of such<BR>> >
>>>>> an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through
membership<BR>> > >>>>> mechanism). I would
like<BR>> > >>>>> to see the promotion of more
associations on the KEPSA<BR>> > >>>> ICT<BR>>
> >>>>> Board, not just<BR>> >
>>>>> KIF. Please give us space.<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> Waudo<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300,
"Kevit<BR>> > >>>> Desai"<BR>> >
>>>>> < <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>><BR><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>>
said:<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>> Hi Alex,<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
KEPSA ( <mailto:<A href="mailto:info@kepsa.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:info@kepsa.or.ke">info@kepsa.or.ke</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:info@kepsa.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:info@kepsa.or.ke">info@kepsa.or.ke</A></A>):
private<BR>sector policy body<BR>> > >>>>
with<BR>> > >>>>> its own governance<BR>>
> >>>>> structure. Elected as a director in
private capacity<BR>> > >>>> and as<BR>>
> >>>>> KIF vice<BR>> >
>>>>> chairman.<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
KIF ( <mailto:<A href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</A></A>):<BR>membership-based
industry<BR>> > >>>>> association,
member<BR>> > >>>>> of KEPSA's ICT section.
Elected as vice-chairman.<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> Centurion
Systems Ltd: ( <<A href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/"
target=_blank><A
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/</A></A>><BR><A
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com">www.centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>
<<A href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/</A></A>>
)<BR>> > >>>>> private company,<BR>>
> >>>>> director, member of KIF.<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>> Director of Engineering - Centurion
Systems Ltd<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> Chairperson -
Engineering Students Exhibition<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> Governor -
KEPSA<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>> Director - KEPSA<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> Director -
Innovation Africa<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>> Director- Kenya ICT Board<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> BOA -
AIESEC<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>> Member - National Strategy for University
Education<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable
Business(GSB)-UNDP<BR>> > >>>> Kenya<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
General Co-Chair - Africon 2009<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse,<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR><BR>Raphta Rd<BR><BR><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>> ,
Westlands - Nairobi<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020<BR>> >
>>>>> 2049750<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> Mobile : +254
722 517067<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>> <<A
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/</A></A>><BR><A
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>
<<A href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
<<A href="http://www.ieee.org/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.ieee.org/">http://www.ieee.org/</A></A>> <A
href="http://www.ieee.org" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.ieee.org">http://www.ieee.org</A></A><BR><<A
href="http://www.ieee.org/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.ieee.org/">http://www.ieee.org/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
<<A href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/"
target=_blank><A
href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/">http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/</A></A>><BR><A
href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke">http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke</A></A><BR><<A
href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/">http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
<<A href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/">http://www.innovation-africa.net/</A></A>><BR><A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net">http://www.innovation-africa.net</A></A>
<<A href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/">http://www.innovation-africa.net/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
<<A href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke/">http://www.kepsa.or.ke/</A></A>> <A
href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke">http://www.kepsa.or.ke</A></A><BR><<A
href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke/">http://www.kepsa.or.ke/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
<<A href="http://www.powerup.co.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.powerup.co.ke/">http://www.powerup.co.ke/</A></A>> <A
href="http://www.powerup.co.ke" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.powerup.co.ke">http://www.powerup.co.ke</A></A><BR><<A
href="http://www.powerup.co.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.powerup.co.ke/">http://www.powerup.co.ke/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
<<A href="http://www.aiesec.org/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.aiesec.org/">http://www.aiesec.org/</A></A>> <A
href="http://www.aiesec.org" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.aiesec.org">http://www.aiesec.org</A></A><BR><<A
href="http://www.aiesec.org/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.aiesec.org/">http://www.aiesec.org/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
<<A href="http://www.africon2007.co.za/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.africon2007.co.za/">http://www.africon2007.co.za/</A></A>>
<A href="http://www.africon2007.co.za" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.africon2007.co.za">http://www.africon2007.co.za</A></A><BR><<A
href="http://www.africon2007.co.za/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.africon2007.co.za/">http://www.africon2007.co.za/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
<<A href="http://www.kif.or.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.kif.or.ke/">http://www.kif.or.ke/</A></A>> <A
href="http://www.kif.or.ke" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.kif.or.ke">http://www.kif.or.ke</A></A><BR><<A
href="http://www.kif.or.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.kif.or.ke/">http://www.kif.or.ke/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
htpp:// <<A href="http://www.ict.go.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.ict.go.ke/">http://www.ict.go.ke/</A></A>> <A
href="http://www.ict.go.ke" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.ict.go.ke">www.ict.go.ke</A></A><BR><<A
href="http://www.ict.go.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.ict.go.ke/">http://www.ict.go.ke/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
<<A href="http://www.globalcompact.org/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.globalcompact.org/">http://www.globalcompact.org/</A></A>>
<A href="http://www.globalcompact.org" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.globalcompact.org">http://www.globalcompact.org</A></A><BR><<A
href="http://www.globalcompact.org/" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.globalcompact.org/">http://www.globalcompact.org/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
<<A href="http://www.undp.org/business/gsb" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.undp.org/business/gsb">http://www.undp.org/business/gsb</A></A>><BR><A
href="http://www.undp.org/business/gsb" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.undp.org/business/gsb">http://www.undp.org/business/gsb</A></A><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> > >>>>> From:
waudo siganga<BR>> [mailto: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"><A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</A></A>>
<A href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"><A
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</A></A>]<BR>>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40
PM<BR>> > >>>>> To: kevit desai<BR>>
> >>>>> Cc: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</A></A>;<BR>'KICTAnet
ICT Policy<BR>> > >>>>> Discussions'<BR>>
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for<BR>> > >>>>> e-Commerce in
Kenya<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>> Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message
to KICTANET<BR>> > >>>> I can<BR>> >
>>>>> answer it on<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> the same
forum. I think the picture being painted<BR>> >
>>>> about a<BR>> > >>>>> rosy
situation<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>> including "collaboration" is simply not<BR>>
> >>>> true. The<BR>> >
>>>>> reason to be frank is<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> that there a
few in your KIF who do not want any other<BR>> >
>>>>> association to<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> have a voice
in KEPSA or to interact with Government.<BR>> >
>>>> Could<BR>> > >>>>> you as
a<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>> KEPSA director ensure that all interested
associations<BR>> > >>>>> including the<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
major ones not in KIF are allowed room to contribute<BR>> >
>>>> in<BR>> > >>>>> KEPSA? It can
be<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>> sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA only
to<BR>> > >>>> promote<BR>> >
>>>>> KIF and crack<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> down on those
you feel are in the way.<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>> Waudo<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> > >>>>> On
Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300, "kevit<BR>> > >>>>
desai"<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>> < <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>><BR><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>>
said:<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> Hi Walu,<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>
Associations are welcome to be members of KEPSA.<BR>> >
>>>> I<BR>> > >>>>> would like to
confirm<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant.
We<BR>> > >>>> would<BR>> >
>>>>> like to do a lot<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>
more<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> and welcome more support.<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>> We
appreciate Waudo's contributions at our<BR>> >
>>>> last<BR>> > >>>>> ministerial
stakeholder<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> forum.<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>
Collaboration is the way forward.<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> Kevit Desai<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>> KEPSA
Director<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>> From:<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>><BR>>
kictanet-bounces+kevit=<A href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com"
target=_blank>centurionsystemsltd.com</A><BR><<A
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/" target=_blank><A
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://centurionsystemsltd.com/</A></A>>
@<A href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke"
target=_blank>lists.kictanet.or.ke</A><BR><<A
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>><BR>><BR>[mailto:<A
href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit">kictanet-bounces+kevit</A>=<A
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com"
target=_blank>centurionsystemsltd.com</A><BR><<A
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/" target=_blank><A
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://centurionsystemsltd.com/</A></A>>
@<A href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke"
target=_blank>lists.kictanet.or.ke</A><BR><<A
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/" target=_blank><A
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>> ]<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>> On Behalf
Of waudo siganga<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> To: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A>><BR><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"><A
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</A></A><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> Cc: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</A></A>;<BR>KICTAnet
ICT Policy<BR>> > >>>>> Discussions<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and<BR>>
> >>>> Regulation for<BR>> >
>>>>> e-Commerce in<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>
Kenya<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>> Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and
clear on<BR>> > >>>> GPRS<BR>> >
>>>>> somewhere in the<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>> bush. I
did bring out the issue of regulating the<BR>> >
>>>> IT<BR>> > >>>>> (or ICT)
Profession<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> on this list a few months ago. But the
rather<BR>> > >>>>> unenthusiastic response
I<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> got gave me the sense that possibly this was
not<BR>> > >>>> the<BR>> >
>>>>> correct list since<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>> many of
the subscribers appear just interested in<BR>> >
>>>> ICT<BR>> > >>>>> Policy rather
than<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> being actual IT Experts. Within the next
two<BR>> > >>>> weeks<BR>> >
>>>>> there will be another<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>> list for
professionals and you will be informed<BR>> > >>>>
(you<BR>> > >>>>> have the<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>
qualifications, don't you??). We are pushing<BR>> >
>>>> for a<BR>> > >>>>>
registration board<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>> like thise done last yeaer for
nutritionists and<BR>> > >>>>>
Procurement<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> Practitioners. There is a lot of work going
on<BR>> > >>>>> unheralded. All we need<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> is a champion or chanpions in the right
place.<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>> Waudo<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700
(PDT),<BR>> > >>>> "John<BR>> >
>>>>> Walubengo"<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>> <
<mailto:<A href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</A></A>> said:<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>> Marcel,<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>> It
looks like quite some work has been<BR>> > >>>>
ongoing in<BR>> > >>>>> this<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>
area...unfortunately it seems as if it was<BR>> >
>>>>> restricted within KIF only?<BR>> >
>>>>> I<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>>> wonder if Computer Society of
Kenya (CSK,<BR>> > >>>> Waudo r<BR>> >
>>>>> u there?) or<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>
Information Security Audit & Control<BR>> >
>>>>> (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>
mention some of the big IT Associations in<BR>> >
>>>> Kenya<BR>> > >>>>> were
involved. I beg to<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>>> be enlightened.<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>> This
brings in an old question - who really<BR>> >
>>>>> represents the IT Profession<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>> in
Kenya ? Shem has been on record as saying<BR>> >
>>>> that<BR>> > >>>>> IT is the
only<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>> discipline where we seem to lack bodies
with<BR>> > >>>> the<BR>> >
>>>>> same authority as LSK<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>> (Law
Society of Kenya ), IEK (Institute of<BR>> >
>>>>> Engineers of Kenya ), Medical<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>
Practictioners Board amongst others to<BR>> > >>>>
regulate<BR>> > >>>>> the IT
Profession.<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>> And
by the way, KICTAnet does not fit the<BR>> > >>>>
bill<BR>> > >>>>> either (and has
a<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>> different objective anyway). But time
has<BR>> > >>>> come<BR>> >
>>>>> to really start thinking<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>> of
regulating the IT profession, even as we<BR>> >
>>>>> struggle to regulate the<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>
industry...Ideally, CSK should take the lead<BR>> >
>>>> on<BR>> > >>>>> this, but they
have been<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>> awfully quite except when they award
prizes<BR>> > >>>> at<BR>> >
>>>>> the end of the year<BR>> >
>>>>> (Waudo<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>> I
know u will kill me offline but I just had<BR>> >
>>>> to<BR>> > >>>>> say
it!).<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>
KEPSA? very reputable and effective<BR>> > >>>>
particularly<BR>> > >>>>> in the
Manufacturing<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>> sector but on IT? am not sure they have
been<BR>> > >>>> as<BR>> >
>>>>> effective - particularly<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>
because the link between KEPSA/KIF and the<BR>> >
>>>> IT<BR>> > >>>>> industry has
been 'cloudy'<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>> for lack of a better word...Can for
example<BR>> > >>>> CSK<BR>> >
>>>>> or ISACA be part of<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>> KEPSA
without being part of KIF? I again<BR>> > >>>>
need to<BR>> > >>>>> be enlightened.<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>> O.K.
I agree I did digress, but just<BR>> > >>>>
thinking<BR>> > >>>>> loudly and saying that
as<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>> we think of regulating electronic<BR>>
> >>>> transactions,<BR>> >
>>>>> we also need to<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>
simultaneously start regulating the IT<BR>> >
>>>>> profession..but maybe I am wrong.<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>
Particularly because regulation can and<BR>> >
>>>> often<BR>> > >>>>> leads to
suppression...<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>
walu.<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Marcel Werner<BR>>
> >>>>> < <mailto:<A
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</A></A>>
<A href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</A></A>><BR>wrote:<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
From: Marcel Werner<BR>> > >>>>> <
<mailto:<A href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</A></A>>
<A href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Legislation
and<BR>> > >>>>> Regulation for e-Commerce in
Kenya<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> To: <mailto:<A
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</A></A><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
Cc: <mailto:<A href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</A></A>> <A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</A></A>,<BR>>
> >>>> "KICTAnet<BR>> >
>>>>> ICT Policy Discussions"<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>> <
<mailto:<A href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"><A
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A></A>><BR><A
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href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</A></A>><BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:43
PM<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> Legislation and Regulation for<BR>>
> >>>> e-Commerce in<BR>> >
>>>>> Kenya<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) - Briefing<BR>> > >>>>
Note #<BR>> > >>>>> 3 - Report -<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> Public Panel 19<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
June 2008<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
*Electronic commerce (e-commerce) will<BR>> > >>>>
add<BR>> > >>>>> at least one<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> percent point growth<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
to Kenya 's overall economic growth<BR>> >
>>>>> within five years.<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
This is contingent<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>>>> upon the adoption of
legislation that<BR>> > >>>>> supports
electronic<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> transactions. * Kenya ,<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> as an emerging economy and
regional<BR>> > >>>> leader,<BR>> >
>>>>> lags behind in<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
having a legal<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> framework for e-commerce in place.
The<BR>> > >>>>> current situation is<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> an anachronism<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
hampering national development, placing<BR>> >
>>>>> provincial centres<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
at a<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> disadvantage, and harming global<BR>>
> >>>>> competitiveness. Both<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
external and internal<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>>>> trade require the new
framework.The<BR>> > >>>> Kenyan<BR>>
> >>>>> private sector<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
strongly supports<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>>>> e-commerce legislation, as
well as<BR>> > >>>>> legislation of the<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> Information and<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
Communication Technology sector that<BR>> >
>>>>> guarantees an open<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
market and promotes<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>>>> innovation.<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation<BR>> >
>>>>> supporting<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
electronic transactions<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>>>>> represents the single most
powerful<BR>> > >>>>> innovation
opportunity<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> in the legal<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
framework of the ICT sector.<BR>> > >>>>
Legislation is<BR>> > >>>>> needed to:<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> -Legalize e-commerce transactions
by<BR>> > >>>>> recognizing an<BR>>
> >>>>><BR>> >
>>>>>>>> electronic signature<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>>>>>
-Manage and control e-commerce r<BR>> > >>> <
KENYA SOFTWARE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION.doc><BR>> >
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