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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Tim,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>No one turned up. I waited until 6 pm.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Joseph, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>There are meeting rooms as part off the
poolside. The ICT fraternity including Kictanet use them occasionally. I did
not mention bars or alcoholic drinks. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Brian and I also concluded that we have to
protect the reputation of the progress we are making as Nation towards
embracing ICT’s, especially our vision to make Kenya a top ten ICT
hub. This is in a global context.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bill I want to assure you that KIF holds
elections. Next one is towards the end of the year. I will inform Marcel to
post the information on Kictanet.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><b><font size=1 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Kevit Desai<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Brian Munyao Longwe<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 14 July 2008 07:23<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet]
Legislation and Discipline & Ethics</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I met Kevit yester evening. Purely by mistake as I wasnt aware of his
e-invite. Nevertheless we h a good chat and basically agreed on the importance
of having a public forum where different ICT bodies could introduce themselves
and their governance structures. It would also be a good opportunity to gauge
the relevance/value/purpose of the different bodies.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My brief....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Brian<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On 13 Jul 2008, at 9:59 PM, "Tim Rick" <<a
href="mailto:timrick@gmail.com">timrick@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I would love to know how
many of the people here met Kevit and the results.the discussion is just making
me realise Kenyans have woken up after the Grand Saga.So Kevit?Any good
discussions you had and way forward?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Today's Topics:<br>
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1. Re: Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and<br>
Regulationfore-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> (kevit desai)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:37:11 +0300<br>
From: "kevit desai" <<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and<br>
Regulationfore-Commerce in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com">kiriinya2000@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <<a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
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Why don't we all meet at the Jacaranda, land mark, Westlands at 5.00pm<br>
today. At the poolside.<br>
<br>
Informal discussion. I will be waiting.<br>
<br>
Kevit Desai<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
_____<br>
<br>
From: kictanet-bounces+kevit=<a href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com"
target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a>@<a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit">kictanet-bounces+kevit</a>=<a
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a>@<a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of wesley kiriinya<br>
Sent: 13 July 2008 10:52<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and<br>
Regulationfore-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Gentlemen,<br>
<br>
Before these so called foreigners got these positions that Kenyans would<br>
have occupied, what were Kenyans waiting for? (Honest question.)<br>
<br>
If there is a higher appointing authority that picks these so called<br>
foreigners over Kenyans then it's them to blame (if there is a good reason).<br>
<br>
That said, as much as free speech is appreciated, so is discretion. Sorry to<br>
say but it is embarrassing to read some of these posts.<br>
<br>
Regards.<br>
<br>
<br>
--- On Sun, 7/13/08, waudo siganga <<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"></a><a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
From: waudo siganga <<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"></a><a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and
Regulation<br>
fore-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
To: <a href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com">kiriinya2000@yahoo.com</a><br>
Cc: "'kictanet-lists'" <<a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 9:19 AM<br>
<br>
Hi All - I am the one that asserted that Kenyan (ICT) associations should be<br>
run by Kenyans and I stand by that. It has absolutely nothing to do with<br>
racism. Every country has policies to protect its people. Even in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
you can only stand for president if you were born American. Is that racism?<br>
Associations are at the heart of pushing for policy and it pains me to see<br>
foreigners jostling Kenyans out of the way and being the ones running up<br>
and down the Government corridors carrying "position papers".<br>
<br>
I find it deplorable that Brian is using his position on the list to<br>
threaten to unsubscribe those who do not agree with his views and consign<br>
them to the Nyayo House dungeons. Brian you have been partisan on these<br>
issues throughout. You are issuing "apologies" to people you already
sided<br>
with and they are quickly "accepting". At one time you were saying we
visit<br>
KIF to see how they run meetings as though suggesting Kenyans do not know<br>
how to run meetings. Is this the Brian I knew or someone using your mail<br>
account? Tafadhali, wacha wananchi wasema hata <st1:place w:st="on">kama</st1:place>
uko pande ile ingine.<br>
<br>
Waudo<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:52:02 +0300, "kevit desai"<br>
<<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
said:<br>
<br>
Dear Brian,<br>
<br>
Apologies accepted. And thank you Mr Chairman.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Wambui it is acceptable to challenge governance structures and also wish to<br>
know more about associations. How else will we seek your support with some<br>
off the very exciting things we are doing.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
What deeply concerns me is the notion that associations should be run by<br>
Kenyans. We all have to rise well above this, especially when we see the<br>
success and contributions of some people. <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> 's
grateful to have<br>
people like Mike Eldon, Steve Smith, Michael Joseph, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Marcel
Werner</st1:PersonName> , and<br>
others, they have contributed so much. Even to the peace process let alone<br>
the advances in ICT's.<br>
<br>
Kictanet must stamp out any form of racist remarks. This is the lowest of<br>
the lowest, and contributes to disengagement. Rules have to be put in place.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Your leadership is a sigh of relief. And I look forward to you uniting us<br>
all to a common vision of ICT's for National development.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I am waiting..<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Kevit Desai<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
_____<br>
<br>
<br>
From: kictanet-bounces+kevit=<a href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com"
target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a>@<a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
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href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a>@<a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe<br>
Sent: 12 July 2008 09:50<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
Cc: kictanet-lists<br>
Subject: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and Regulation<br>
fore-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear Marcel/Kevit/KIF,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I will personally take this opportunity to apologize on behalf of KICTANET<br>
for the ills which KIF has suffered in the recent dialogue.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
As Kevit (and you) have clearly pointed out, KiF has welcomed anyone with<br>
questions to have these answered in person while at the same time providing<br>
as many answers as this media allows.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I know both yourself and Kevit to be men of integrity and seriously<br>
dedicated to the advancement of IcTs in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> . I now humbly beg you to<br>
forgive the indiscretions by some of our members in their misuse of this<br>
forum.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
As Chairperson of this Network I will not stand by and see this forum turned<br>
into the kind of low and despicable rant-fests that have characterised<br>
certain other Kenyan lists and blogs.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I hereby request a public apology to KIF on this list, from Alex, by<br>
Tuesday, failing which I will suspend his (and any other member who persists<br>
in mudslinging) list membership for one month.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I once again humbly appeal to all members of this list to desist from the<br>
kind of myopic, vindictive banter that we have recently witnessed. We must<br>
work *together* for a better <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region>
, and this will not come through<br>
tomfoolery and irresponsible words/actions.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Sincerely<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Brian Munyao Longwe<br>
<br>
Chairman, KICTANET<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11 Jul 2008, at 10:44 PM, " <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Marcel Werner</st1:PersonName>
" <<a href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com"></a><a
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
Hello Kictanet membership,<br>
<br>
The Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) is a reputable organization, duly registered<br>
and maintaining a proper governance system with a registered, paid-up<br>
membership base consisting of equally reputable ICT associations and<br>
companies.<br>
<br>
KIF has done a number of useful things over the period of its existence (see<br>
Kevit's posting, earlier this week).<br>
<br>
Recent postings on the Kictanet list appear to discredit our own<br>
organization KIF and its members with insinuations and slander. This is<br>
unacceptable.<br>
<br>
The Kictanet web-site shows KIF as a member of Kictanet (nr 8). We do not<br>
wish to be associated with an organization that lends itself to unhelpful<br>
campaigns by individuals, campaigns that can go on with impunity. There is<br>
no need at all to damage our and other's initiatives that are being<br>
implemented in the public interest (see again Kevit's posting) by informal<br>
networks with doubtful legitimacy. Please note that KIF has never signed any<br>
membership instrument with Kictanet, neither have we been charged nor have<br>
we paid for any membership fees. (page 9 of the Kenya ICT Action Network<br>
Competence Status Survey Assessment Report (posted on<br>
<<a href="http://www.kictanet.or.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.kictanet.or.ke/">http://www.kictanet.or.ke/</a>> <a
href="http://www.kictanet.or.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.kictanet.or.ke/">http://www.kictanet.or.ke/</a>) highlights
the<br>
membership problems of Kictanet. Personally I had highlighted this<br>
membership problem already a year ago in the interview that Kictanet held<br>
with us some time mid 2007 in the evaluation study of its role and<br>
performance - I have to conclude today that membership management has never<br>
been addressed at Kictanet). We instruct Kictanet to remove KIF from its<br>
list of its appointed "Members".<br>
<br>
We look forward to be part of a Kictanet that has a legitimate constituency<br>
because there is need for a place of dialogue between civil society and<br>
private sector. Kictanet is not playing such a role today at all and creates<br>
a space for civil society to alienate itself from the private sector.<br>
Kictanet needs to clean up its house.<br>
<br>
We need serious dialogue, between all sectors in society, and we need to<br>
reach out internationally. We don't have time for any nonsense.<br>
<br>
Best regards, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Marcel Werner</st1:PersonName> ,
chairman of KIF :)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
2008/7/11 kevit desai < <mailto:<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>:<br>
<br>
Alex,<br>
Kenya ICT Federation is a serious and well established organization,<br>
supported by its members who are also reputable and well established<br>
organizations.<br>
I confirm Centurion systems does not receive any money from KIF. Please<br>
verify the Business advocacy funds contributions and conditions since your<br>
information is false.<br>
<br>
It is not right to publish insinuations affecting KIF and its membership on<br>
a forum like Kictanet. Especially, since I have extended an invitation to<br>
meet so that I can give further explanations. I am waiting to gauge the<br>
interest in this invitation.<br>
<br>
For now I close my participation.<br>
<br>
Kevit Desai<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Gakuru , Alex [mailto: <mailto:<a
href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com"></a><a
href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com">alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com"></a><a
href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com">alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: 11 July 2008 17:24<br>
<br>
To: kevit desai<br>
Cc: kictanet-lists<br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
<br>
Kevit;<br>
<br>
KIF recently received Kshs 3.5 grant million from a certain business fund.<br>
I am curious centurion system hosts them under their CSR?<br>
<br>
Public forum to explain all dealings openly and transparently?.<br>
<br>
regards,<br>
<br>
On 7/11/08, kevit desai < <mailto:<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear Sylvester,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thank you for all the interest shown. Some of you would like further<br>
> information on the following activities:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Historical & present- Impact<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> - Ministerial stakeholder forum (regular
sectoral discussions<br>
> private sector - Government, with KEPSA)<br>
><br>
> - Power up with ICT nation - wide
awareness campaigns (2004,<br>
2005,<br>
> 2006)<br>
><br>
> - E-Government - municipal councils<br>
><br>
> - Open source software community<br>
><br>
> - E-commerce legislation<br>
><br>
> - Engineering student exhibition - 1997
- 2008<br>
><br>
> - ICT Bills (2006 - 2008)<br>
><br>
> - Creation of INFOCOM Ministry (2003)<br>
><br>
> - National ICT Policy formulation (2004
- 2006)<br>
><br>
> - Tax reforms 2006, 2007, 2008<br>
><br>
> - National innovation system<br>
><br>
> - University Education Reforms Task
Force (2006 - current)<br>
><br>
> - PSDS<br>
><br>
> - Africon 2009<br>
><br>
> - Public panels with Kenya ICT Board<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Associations:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> - KEPSA<br>
><br>
> - KIF<br>
><br>
> - IEEE<br>
><br>
> - <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> software industry association<br>
><br>
><br>
> Please confirm your interest in a meeting. This will allow me to gauge<br>
level<br>
> of participation so as to plan the venue and also mobilize the relevant<br>
> leaders. If you are not on board, it would be great to have you on board.<br>
We<br>
> need your support<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Kevit Desai<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems<br>
><br>
> Chairperson IEEE - <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region>
Section<br>
><br>
> Chairman - Engineering students exhibition<br>
><br>
> Governor - KEPSA<br>
><br>
> Director - KEPSA<br>
><br>
> Director - Innovation <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place><br>
><br>
> Director- Kenya ICT Board<br>
><br>
> Vice Chairman - <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region>
ICT Federation<br>
><br>
> BOA - AIESEC<br>
><br>
> Member - National Strategy for University Education<br>
><br>
> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP Kenya<br>
><br>
> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009<br>
><br>
> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse,<br>
<br>
<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Raphta Rd</st1:address></st1:Street><br>
<br>
, Westlands - <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Nairobi</st1:place></st1:City><br>
><br>
> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.<br>
><br>
> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020 2049750<br>
><br>
> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Mobile</st1:place></st1:City> :
+254 722 517067<br>
><br>
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><br>
><br>
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><br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
><br>
><br>
> From:<br>
> kictanet-bounces+kevit=<a href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com"
target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
<<a href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://centurionsystemsltd.com/</a>>
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><br>
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href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
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@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
<<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/</a>> ]<br>
> On Behalf Of Brian Longwe<br>
> Sent: 10 July 2008 18:57<br>
> To: <mailto:<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
><br>
> Cc: kictanet-lists<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Hi Sylvester,<br>
><br>
> Thank you so very much for highlighting yet another way in which
KICTANET<br>
> is beneficial to the communicat at large. through KICTANET we all learn so<br>
> many good things that are happening in/around - and can then make our own<br>
> decisions as to whether to follow up/engage.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Brian<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Sylvester Kisonzo<br>
> < <mailto:<a href="mailto:skisonzo@securenet.co.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:skisonzo@securenet.co.ke">skisonzo@securenet.co.ke</a>> <a
href="mailto:skisonzo@securenet.co.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:skisonzo@securenet.co.ke">skisonzo@securenet.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> And where can I read (or get information) about all these new names to me?<br>
> KEPSA, KIF, etc? Until recently when I joined this group, I had
never<br>
heard<br>
> of them. So I wonder how all the 'stakeholders' have all along been<br>
> involved.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> SK<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> From:<br>
> kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>
<<a href="http://gmail.com/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://gmail.com/">http://gmail.com/</a>><br>
@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>
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href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/</a>><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bskisonzo">kictanet-bounces+skisonzo</a>=<a
href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a> <<a
href="http://gmail.com/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://gmail.com/">http://gmail.com/</a>><br>
@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>
<<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/</a>> ]<br>
> On Behalf Of Joseph Manthi<br>
> Sent: 09 July 2008 20:47<br>
> To: <mailto:<a href="mailto:skisonzo@gmail.com"></a><a
href="mailto:skisonzo@gmail.com">skisonzo@gmail.com</a>> <a
href="mailto:skisonzo@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:skisonzo@gmail.com">skisonzo@gmail.com</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Cc: kictanet-lists<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Waudo:<br>
> I would like to pose a simple question:<br>
><br>
> Why are these associations needed?<br>
><br>
> Joe<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, waudo siganga <<br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"></a><a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>> <a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"></a><a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Brian - DFID set up KEPSA in 2001 to unite the private sector voice. The<br>
> idea was to bring together EXISTING associations. Someone got early
wind<br>
> that ICT was one of the identified sectors and decided to register a
NEW<br>
> association ostensibly as an umbrella body. The real umbrella body
was<br>
> actually supposed to be KEPSA, under its ICT Board. Period. Why did<br>
> someone find a pressing need to form a NEW association???<br>
><br>
> Anyway right now that is history and KEPSA ICT Board is on the right<br>
> track with all associations on board. We have to struggle to make
sure<br>
> it stays that way. I do not understand why you seem to be insisting
on<br>
> someone visiting KIF. What is the value addition? What can one
discover<br>
> there??? Some say there are personal companies underneath and KIF is
the<br>
> front but I do not wish to walk in that mud. My interest is KEPSA
ICT<br>
> Board not being equated with KIF.<br>
> Waudo<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:31:54 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"<br>
> < <mailto:<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com"></a><a
href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>> <a
href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>>
said:<br>
> > Actually if my memory serves me right. KIF is KEPSAs
"child" i.e when<br>
> > KEPSA decided to have sector clusters KIF was established *by*
KEpsa<br>
> > to act as the umbrella for ICT private sector.<br>
> ><br>
> > But I stand to be corrected if I'm getting my facts wrong. But
if I am<br>
> > right then it *is* important for any critics to understand the
inner<br>
> > workings by visiting.<br>
> ><br>
> > I am urging action instead of just talk.<br>
> ><br>
> > Brian<br>
> ><br>
> > Sent from my iPhone<br>
> ><br>
> > On 09 Jul 2008, at 6:39 PM, "waudo siganga" <<br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"></a><a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>> <a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"></a><a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > Hi Brian - I do not think that the issue is an interest in
the<br>
> > > internal<br>
> > > operations of KIF. We are talking governance in the
context of KEPSA/<br>
> > > KIF<br>
> > > relationship, something also of interest to the consumer
community.<br>
> > > For<br>
> > > your information last year all stakeholders held a meeting
in KEPSA<br>
> > > and<br>
> > > decided to open membership to all interested Private
Sector<br>
> > > associations. This was after it was observed that the
hitherto<br>
> > > stranglehold on KEPSA by KIF meant that the sector was not
adequately<br>
> > > represented. Some people may have felt unhappy or even
insecure with<br>
> > > this development. The problem is that my friend Kevit,
being the<br>
KEPSA<br>
> > > ICT director uses his position to constantly market KIF as
if it is a<br>
> > > favoured player in KEPSA (e.g. "I would like to
confirm that the<br>
> > > KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant." - as if implying
the other<br>
> > > associations are dead) He is often busy promoting
"KIF Positions"<br>
> > > instead of "KEPSA Positions" including using KIF
letterheads at the<br>
> > > MSFs. I have misgivings about the current ICT leadership
in KEPSA<br>
> > > but I<br>
> > > am hopeful things will change.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Waudo<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:54:41 +0300, "Brian Munyao
Longwe"<br>
> > > < <mailto:<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com"></a><a
href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>> <a
href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>>
said:<br>
> > >> Hi Alex,<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> I would find it hard to imagine how much more Kevit
can explain to<br>
> > >> you<br>
> > >> about KIF.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> I would like to suggest that Kevit extend an
invitation to you (and<br>
> > >> anyone else who might be interested/concerned) to
attend the next<br>
KIF<br>
> > >> meeting as an observer and see/feel the animal
yourself.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Brian<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> On 09 Jul 2008, at 3:45 PM, Alex Gakuru <<br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"></a><a
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a>> <a
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"></a><a href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> > >> wrote:<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>> Kevit:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I
shall not ask you<br>
> > >>> further KEPSA questions although on your previous
email you told<br>
> > >>> Waundo "As the director of KEPSA I
welcome CSK and any other<br>
> > >>> association to full membership of KEPSA."
Apparently this now<br>
> > >>> appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo
complained of<br>
> > >>> "exclusion" not of his private self,
rather of CSK? I could be<br>
wrong<br>
> > >>> but he could clarify.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a
"Local Software Industry<br>
> > >>> Association established" with, among others,
"3.1 Objective, Market<br>
> > >>> the local software industry to venture
capitalists." (see<br>
> > >>> announcement document attached) Was it registered
under Societies<br>
> > >>> Act<br>
> > >>> ( Read Public interest) or as Private
(non-or-for-profit) Company?<br>
I<br>
> > >>> found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very
successful and<br>
> > >>> OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your
umbrella?<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> On the links you sent onlist:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> <<a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/">http://www.innovation-africa.net/</a>>
<a href="http://www.innovation-africa.net" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net">www.innovation-africa.net</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/">http://www.innovation-africa.net/</a>><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Domain Name: <a href="http://INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET"
target="_blank">INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET</a> <<a
href="http://innovation-africa.net/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://innovation-africa.net/">http://innovation-africa.net/</a>><br>
> > >>> Registrar: TUCOWS INC.<br>
> > >>> Whois Server: <a
href="http://whois.tucows.com" target="_blank">whois.tucows.com</a> <<a
href="http://whois.tucows.com/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://whois.tucows.com/">http://whois.tucows.com/</a>><br>
> > >>> Referral URL: <<a
href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/">http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/</a>><br>
<a href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net">http://domainhelp.opensrs.net</a> <<a
href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/">http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/</a>><br>
> > >>> Name Server: <a
href="http://ULTRA103.UK2.NET" target="_blank">ULTRA103.UK2.NET</a> <<a
href="http://ultra103.uk2.net/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://ultra103.uk2.net/">http://ultra103.uk2.net/</a>><br>
> > >>> Name Server: <a
href="http://ULTRA104.UK2.NET" target="_blank">ULTRA104.UK2.NET</a> <<a
href="http://ultra104.uk2.net/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://ultra104.uk2.net/">http://ultra104.uk2.net/</a>><br>
> > >>> Status: redemptionPeriod<br>
> > >>> Updated Date: 24-jun-2008<br>
> > >>> Creation Date: 14-may-2007<br>
> > >>> Expiration Date: 14-may-2008<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> I tried <<a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/">http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/</a>><br>
<a href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke">www.innovation-africa.co.ke</a> <<a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/">http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/</a>>
>> was<br>
re-directing to >><br>
> <<a href="http://www.kif.or.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.kif.or.ke/">http://www.kif.or.ke/</a>> <a
href="http://www.kif.or.ke" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.kif.or.ke">www.kif.or.ke</a>
<<a href="http://www.kif.or.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.kif.or.ke/">http://www.kif.or.ke/</a>><br>
> > >>> ( but today it now says "under
construction") I gather Centurion<br>
> > >>> Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct?<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in
the background<br>
> > >>> when when "KIF" issues
"stakeholders" statements on an issue,how<br>
> > >>> representative or public service-oriented, good
governance, in<br>
> > >>> trying to understand new and old associations'
motives.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> With above information, it would clear doubts of
public policy<br>
> > >>> participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public
procurement<br>
> > >>> involvement(s). For the sake of our growing
transparent ICTs<br>
> > >>> abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Alex<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai<br>
> < <mailto:<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
> > >>> wrote:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>> From: kevit desai < <mailto:<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
> > >>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for e-Commerce<br>
> > >>>> in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>> To: <mailto:<a
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"></a><a href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a>>
<a href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"></a><a
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a><br>
> > >>>> Cc: "'kictanet-lists'"<br>
> < <mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> > >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM<br>
> > >>>> Hi Alex,<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> I'm pleased to clarify as much as I can.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector
industry and<br>
> > >>>> market segment<br>
> > >>>> associations in almost all economic sectors. <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Independence</st1:place></st1:City> :<br>
> > >>>> KEPSA decisions<br>
> > >>>> are dependent on members wishes, and members
are drawn from<br>
> > >>>> the private<br>
> > >>>> sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached for<br>
> > >>>> membership in KEPSA, neither<br>
> > >>>> are government bodies including parastatals.
KIF follows<br>
> > >>>> the same approach<br>
> > >>>> for membership and decision-making. No NGO's
and<br>
> > >>>> government agencies are<br>
> > >>>> member ofn KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult
on a REGULAR<br>
> > >>>> BASIS with all<br>
> > >>>> those stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA and
KIF have no<br>
> > >>>> obligation to<br>
> > >>>> offer service to non members.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in
touch with Sam<br>
> > >>>> Mwaura of KEPSA or<br>
> > >>>> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Marcel Werner</st1:PersonName>
of KIF.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Kevit<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> > >>>> From: Alex Gakuru [mailto: <mailto:<a
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"></a><a href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"></a><a
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a>]<br>
> > >>>> Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45<br>
> > >>>> To: kevit desai<br>
> > >>>> Cc: kictanet-lists<br>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for<br>
> > >>>> e-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> Kevit,<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate
ensuring decisions<br>
> > >>>> independence?<br>
> > >>>> The political issue here may be monopolization
to the<br>
> > >>>> extent of clouding out<br>
> > >>>> other actors thereby generating conflict. The
Motive Theory<br>
> > >>>> steps in.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> We investigate the effects of competition on
subjects'<br>
> > >>>> attitude towards<br>
> > >>>> cooperation. Three groups face three economic
environments<br>
> > >>>> with different<br>
> > >>>> degrees of competition, from a benchmark case
with no<br>
> > >>>> competition at all up<br>
> > >>>> to a perfect competition case. Subjects
contribute<br>
> > >>>> generously to a public<br>
> > >>>> project in the absence of competition, whereas
they<br>
> > >>>> contribute very little<br>
> > >>>> in the presence of a maximum degree of
competition. A<br>
> > >>>> diminishing attitude<br>
> > >>>> towards cooperation clearly emerges as the
degree of<br>
> > >>>> competition increases.<br>
> > >>>> Therefore, if cooperation does enhance
well-being, the<br>
> > >>>> maximum degree of<br>
> > >>>> competition may be not efficient.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
><br>
<<br>
<<a
href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba"
target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba</a><br>
><br>
<a
href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba"
target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba</a><br>
> > >>>> 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> react.<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai<br>
> > >>>> < <mailto:<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >>>><br>
> > >>>>> From: kevit desai<br>
> > >>>> < <mailto:<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for<br>
> > >>>> e-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>> To: <mailto:<a
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"></a><a href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a>>
<a href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com"></a><a
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a><br>
> > >>>>> Cc: <mailto:<a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"></a><a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>>
<a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>,<br>
"'KICTAnet ICT<br>
> > >>>> Policy Discussions'"<br>
> > >>>> < <mailto:<a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> > >>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14 PM<br>
> > >>>>> Hi Waudo,<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> As the director of KEPSA I welcome
CSK and any other<br>
> > >>>>> association to full<br>
> > >>>>> membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a
meaningful<br>
> > >>>>> partnership.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Kevit Desai<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> _____<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> From: waudo siganga<br>
> [mailto: <mailto:<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"></a><a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>> <a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"></a><a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>]<br>
> > >>>>> Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55<br>
> > >>>>> To: Kevit Desai<br>
> > >>>>> Cc: <mailto:<a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"></a><a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>>
<a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>;<br>
'KICTAnet ICT Policy<br>
> > >>>>> Discussions'<br>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for<br>
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be
careful when<br>
> > >>>> handling<br>
> > >>>>> KEPSA and KIF at<br>
> > >>>>> the same time. Do not use your foothold in
KEPSA to<br>
> > >>>> promote<br>
> > >>>>> KIF at the<br>
> > >>>>> expense of other associations. The
explanation is very<br>
> > >>>>> simple: KEPSA was<br>
> > >>>>> formed as a focal point, a bringing
together<br>
> > >>>> characterised<br>
> > >>>>> by INCLUSIVITY.<br>
> > >>>>> KIF on the other hand is an independent
association<br>
> > >>>> and the<br>
> > >>>>> nature of such<br>
> > >>>>> an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through
membership<br>
> > >>>>> mechanism). I would like<br>
> > >>>>> to see the promotion of more associations
on the KEPSA<br>
> > >>>> ICT<br>
> > >>>>> Board, not just<br>
> > >>>>> KIF. Please give us space.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Waudo<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300,
"Kevit<br>
> > >>>> Desai"<br>
> > >>>>> < <mailto:<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
said:<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Hi Alex,<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> KEPSA ( <mailto:<a
href="mailto:info@kepsa.or.ke"></a><a href="mailto:info@kepsa.or.ke">info@kepsa.or.ke</a>>
<a href="mailto:info@kepsa.or.ke"></a><a href="mailto:info@kepsa.or.ke">info@kepsa.or.ke</a>):
private<br>
sector policy body<br>
> > >>>> with<br>
> > >>>>> its own governance<br>
> > >>>>> structure. Elected as a director in
private capacity<br>
> > >>>> and as<br>
> > >>>>> KIF vice<br>
> > >>>>> chairman.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> KIF ( <mailto:<a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"></a><a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>>
<a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>):<br>
membership-based industry<br>
> > >>>>> association, member<br>
> > >>>>> of KEPSA's ICT section. Elected as
vice-chairman.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Centurion Systems Ltd: ( <<a
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/</a>><br>
<a href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com">www.centurionsystemsltd.com</a> <<a
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/</a>>
)<br>
> > >>>>> private company,<br>
> > >>>>> director, member of KIF.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Director of Engineering - Centurion
Systems Ltd<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Chairperson IEEE - <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> Section<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Chairperson - Engineering Students
Exhibition<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Governor - KEPSA<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Director - KEPSA<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Director - Innovation <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Director-</st1:City>
<st1:country-region w:st="on">Kenya</st1:country-region></st1:place> ICT Board<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Vice Chairman - <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> ICT Federation<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> BOA - AIESEC<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Member - National Strategy for University
Education<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable
Business(GSB)-UNDP<br>
> > >>>> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse,<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
<br>
<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Raphta Rd</st1:address></st1:Street><br>
<br>
<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> , Westlands - <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Nairobi</st1:place></st1:City><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104
CDMA: 020<br>
> > >>>>> 2049750<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Mobile</st1:place></st1:City>
: +254 722 517067<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <<a
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/</a>><br>
<a href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com</a>
<<a href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <<a href="http://www.ieee.org/"
target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.ieee.org/">http://www.ieee.org/</a>>
<a href="http://www.ieee.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.ieee.org">http://www.ieee.org</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.ieee.org/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.ieee.org/">http://www.ieee.org/</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <<a
href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/">http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/</a>><br>
<a href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke">http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/">http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <<a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/">http://www.innovation-africa.net/</a>><br>
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href="http://www.innovation-africa.net">http://www.innovation-africa.net</a>
<<a href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.innovation-africa.net/">http://www.innovation-africa.net/</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <<a href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke/"
target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke/">http://www.kepsa.or.ke/</a>>
<a href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke">http://www.kepsa.or.ke</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke/">http://www.kepsa.or.ke/</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <<a
href="http://www.powerup.co.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.powerup.co.ke/">http://www.powerup.co.ke/</a>> <a
href="http://www.powerup.co.ke" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.powerup.co.ke">http://www.powerup.co.ke</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.powerup.co.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.powerup.co.ke/">http://www.powerup.co.ke/</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <<a href="http://www.aiesec.org/"
target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.aiesec.org/">http://www.aiesec.org/</a>>
<a href="http://www.aiesec.org" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.aiesec.org">http://www.aiesec.org</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.aiesec.org/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.aiesec.org/">http://www.aiesec.org/</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <<a
href="http://www.africon2007.co.za/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.africon2007.co.za/">http://www.africon2007.co.za/</a>> <a
href="http://www.africon2007.co.za" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.africon2007.co.za">http://www.africon2007.co.za</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.africon2007.co.za/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.africon2007.co.za/">http://www.africon2007.co.za/</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <<a href="http://www.kif.or.ke/"
target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.kif.or.ke/">http://www.kif.or.ke/</a>>
<a href="http://www.kif.or.ke" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.kif.or.ke">http://www.kif.or.ke</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.kif.or.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.kif.or.ke/">http://www.kif.or.ke/</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> htpp:// <<a href="http://www.ict.go.ke/"
target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.ict.go.ke/">http://www.ict.go.ke/</a>>
<a href="http://www.ict.go.ke" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.ict.go.ke">www.ict.go.ke</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.ict.go.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.ict.go.ke/">http://www.ict.go.ke/</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <<a
href="http://www.globalcompact.org/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.globalcompact.org/">http://www.globalcompact.org/</a>> <a
href="http://www.globalcompact.org" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.globalcompact.org">http://www.globalcompact.org</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.globalcompact.org/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.globalcompact.org/">http://www.globalcompact.org/</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> <<a
href="http://www.undp.org/business/gsb" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.undp.org/business/gsb">http://www.undp.org/business/gsb</a>><br>
<a href="http://www.undp.org/business/gsb" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.undp.org/business/gsb">http://www.undp.org/business/gsb</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> > >>>>> From: waudo siganga<br>
> [mailto: <mailto:<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"></a><a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>> <a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com"></a><a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>]<br>
> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40 PM<br>
> > >>>>> To: kevit desai<br>
> > >>>>> Cc: <mailto:<a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"></a><a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>>
<a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>;<br>
'KICTAnet ICT Policy<br>
> > >>>>> Discussions'<br>
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and
Regulation for<br>
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message
to KICTANET<br>
> > >>>> I can<br>
> > >>>>> answer it on<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> the same forum. I think the picture being
painted<br>
> > >>>> about a<br>
> > >>>>> rosy situation<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> including "collaboration" is
simply not<br>
> > >>>> true. The<br>
> > >>>>> reason to be frank is<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> that there a few in your KIF who do not
want any other<br>
> > >>>>> association to<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> have a voice in KEPSA or to interact with
Government.<br>
> > >>>> Could<br>
> > >>>>> you as a<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> KEPSA director ensure that all interested
associations<br>
> > >>>>> including the<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> major ones not in KIF are allowed room to
contribute<br>
> > >>>> in<br>
> > >>>>> KEPSA? It can be<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA
only to<br>
> > >>>> promote<br>
> > >>>>> KIF and crack<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> down on those you feel are in the way.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Waudo<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300,
"kevit<br>
> > >>>> desai"<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> < <mailto:<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
said:<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Hi Walu,<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Associations are welcome to be members
of KEPSA.<br>
> > >>>> I<br>
> > >>>>> would like to confirm<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is
vibrant. We<br>
> > >>>> would<br>
> > >>>>> like to do a lot<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> more<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> and welcome more support.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> We appreciate Waudo's contributions at
our<br>
> > >>>> last<br>
> > >>>>> ministerial stakeholder<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> forum.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Collaboration is the way forward.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Kevit Desai<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> KEPSA Director<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> From:<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
> kictanet-bounces+kevit=<a href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com"
target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
<<a href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://centurionsystemsltd.com/</a>>
@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
<<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>><br>
><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit">kictanet-bounces+kevit</a>=<a
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
<<a href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com/">http://centurionsystemsltd.com/</a>>
@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
<<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/</a>><br>
> > >>>> ]<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> On Behalf Of waudo siganga<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> To: <mailto:<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com"></a><a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Cc: <mailto:<a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"></a><a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>>
<a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>;<br>
KICTAnet ICT Policy<br>
> > >>>>> Discussions<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation
and<br>
> > >>>> Regulation for<br>
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and
clear on<br>
> > >>>> GPRS<br>
> > >>>>> somewhere in the<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> bush. I did bring out the issue of
regulating the<br>
> > >>>> IT<br>
> > >>>>> (or ICT) Profession<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> on this list a few months ago. But the
rather<br>
> > >>>>> unenthusiastic response I<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> got gave me the sense that possibly
this was not<br>
> > >>>> the<br>
> > >>>>> correct list since<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> many of the subscribers appear just
interested in<br>
> > >>>> ICT<br>
> > >>>>> Policy rather than<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> being actual IT Experts. Within the
next two<br>
> > >>>> weeks<br>
> > >>>>> there will be another<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> list for professionals and you will be
informed<br>
> > >>>> (you<br>
> > >>>>> have the<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> qualifications, don't you??). We are
pushing<br>
> > >>>> for a<br>
> > >>>>> registration board<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> like thise done last yeaer for
nutritionists and<br>
> > >>>>> Procurement<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Practitioners. There is a lot of work
going on<br>
> > >>>>> unheralded. All we need<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> is a champion or chanpions in the
right place.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> Waudo<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700
(PDT),<br>
> > >>>> "John<br>
> > >>>>> Walubengo"<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> < <mailto:<a
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com"></a><a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>>
<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com"></a><a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>>
said:<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> Marcel,<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> It looks like quite some work has
been<br>
> > >>>> ongoing in<br>
> > >>>>> this<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> area...unfortunately it seems as
if it was<br>
> > >>>>> restricted within KIF only?<br>
> > >>>>> I<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> wonder if Computer Society of
Kenya (CSK,<br>
> > >>>> Waudo r<br>
> > >>>>> u there?) or<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> Information Security Audit &
Control<br>
> > >>>>> (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> mention some of the big IT
Associations in<br>
> > >>>> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>> were involved. I beg to<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> be enlightened.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> This brings in an old question -
who really<br>
> > >>>>> represents the IT Profession<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> ? Shem has been on
record as saying<br>
> > >>>> that<br>
> > >>>>> IT is the only<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> discipline where we seem to lack
bodies with<br>
> > >>>> the<br>
> > >>>>> same authority as LSK<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> (Law Society of <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> ), IEK
(Institute of<br>
> > >>>>> Engineers of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> ), Medical<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> Practictioners Board amongst
others to<br>
> > >>>> regulate<br>
> > >>>>> the IT Profession.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> And by the way, KICTAnet does not
fit the<br>
> > >>>> bill<br>
> > >>>>> either (and has a<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> different objective anyway).
But time has<br>
> > >>>> come<br>
> > >>>>> to really start thinking<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> of regulating the IT profession,
even as we<br>
> > >>>>> struggle to regulate the<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> industry...Ideally, CSK should
take the lead<br>
> > >>>> on<br>
> > >>>>> this, but they have been<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> awfully quite except when they
award prizes<br>
> > >>>> at<br>
> > >>>>> the end of the year<br>
> > >>>>> (Waudo<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> I know u will kill me offline but
I just had<br>
> > >>>> to<br>
> > >>>>> say it!).<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> KEPSA? very reputable and
effective<br>
> > >>>> particularly<br>
> > >>>>> in the Manufacturing<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> sector but on IT? am not sure they
have been<br>
> > >>>> as<br>
> > >>>>> effective - particularly<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> because the link between KEPSA/KIF
and the<br>
> > >>>> IT<br>
> > >>>>> industry has been 'cloudy'<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> for lack of a better word...Can
for example<br>
> > >>>> CSK<br>
> > >>>>> or ISACA be part of<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> KEPSA without being part of KIF? I
again<br>
> > >>>> need to<br>
> > >>>>> be enlightened.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> O.K. I agree I did digress, but
just<br>
> > >>>> thinking<br>
> > >>>>> loudly and saying that as<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> we think of regulating electronic<br>
> > >>>> transactions,<br>
> > >>>>> we also need to<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> simultaneously start regulating
the IT<br>
> > >>>>> profession..but maybe I am wrong.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> Particularly because regulation
can and<br>
> > >>>> often<br>
> > >>>>> leads to suppression...<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> walu.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Marcel Werner</st1:PersonName><br>
> > >>>>> < <mailto:<a
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com"></a><a
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</a>> <a
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com"></a><a
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Marcel
Werner</st1:PersonName><br>
> > >>>>> < <mailto:<a
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com"></a><a
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</a>> <a
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com"></a><a
href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet]
Legislation and<br>
> > >>>>> Regulation for e-Commerce in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> To: <mailto:<a
href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com"></a><a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>>
<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com"></a><a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Cc: <mailto:<a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"></a><a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>>
<a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>,<br>
> > >>>> "KICTAnet<br>
> > >>>>> ICT Policy Discussions"<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>> < <mailto:<a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"></a><a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008,
6:43 PM<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Legislation and Regulation for<br>
> > >>>> e-Commerce in<br>
> > >>>>> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> ICT Federation (KIF) -
Briefing<br>
> > >>>> Note #<br>
> > >>>>> 3 - Report -<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> Public Panel 19<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> June 2008<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>><br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> *Electronic commerce
(e-commerce) will<br>
> > >>>> add<br>
> > >>>>> at least one<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> percent point growth<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> 's overall economic growth<br>
> > >>>>> within five years.<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> This is contingent<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> upon the adoption of
legislation that<br>
> > >>>>> supports electronic<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> transactions. * <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region> ,<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> as an emerging economy and
regional<br>
> > >>>> leader,<br>
> > >>>>> lags behind in<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> having a legal<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> framework for e-commerce in
place. The<br>
> > >>>>> current situation is<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> an anachronism<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> hampering national
development, placing<br>
> > >>>>> provincial centres<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> at a<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> disadvantage, and harming
global<br>
> > >>>>> competitiveness. Both<br>
> > >>>>><br>
> > >>>>>>>> external and internal<br>
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> > >>>>>>>> trade require the new
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