<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Dear Bill,</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I will arrange tohave the secretariat, which Alice heads send you copies of documents which have previously been circulated on this list to all members, and records of meetings where the issues you raise have been addressed, if there are organizations in ICT that have poor governance, those do not include KICTANET.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>But I do agree with you that both the CSK and Consumers chairpersons seems to have some serious beef with KIF. However, as a multistakeholder network, Kictanet accomodates all. But as I have asserted previously, this forum will not be turned into a rumor-mill or hate-zone.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>And to Waudo I reiterate, any and I mean *any* member who tries to misuse this network while it is under my watch will face the full fury that my position allows. I believe in authority with responsibility and will take full responsibility for my words and actions, so help me God...</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>To certain members of this list who are either not resident or have not been resident in this country for some time, please be cautious with your statements, sometimes you might be bashing someone who has made huge sacrifice to serve this nation's ICT.</div><div><br></div><div>Brian <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 13 Jul 2008, at 1:09 PM, "Bill Kagai" <<a href="mailto:billkagai@gmail.com">billkagai@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>In only 100 words, let me say that something is giving in here. There is clearly inability by the various 'centers' in providing leadership...which is worrisome because if we 'IT Experts' cannot handle ourselves with decorum, then how can you convince your cousin in the village not to go and kill the other tribesman??<br>
<br>If I recall clearly, some months ago, the Computer Society (Read Waudo) had the Vice President preside over the awards occasion...and...around the same time, the engineering exhibition (Read..Kevit) also had some high level attendees. In other words, what am saying is that I saw synergy at its best and clearly none had advantage over the other. Competition and anonymous entities breed healthy working niches.<br>
<br>In my honest opinion, and specifically referring to Waudo, it is pessimistic when finally the genie grants you a wish, you ask the genie to kill your neighbours 98 cows so that you can both have two cows each. I think, your deliberate attempt to '%$£"$£' KIF is myopic. Ask the genie to grant you 98 cows not to kill your neighbours 98 of them.<br>
<br>As a conclusion, I must admit that I have never received an email (and I read all my email, including spam) calling me for an AGM/election of any of these organisations...KIF, KICTANET, Consumer Organisation (Alex) and CSK. I have attended sessions in all and some have not held elections in more than ten years. Apparently election fever does not only eat our politicians. Last time I checked, Alice was coordinating Kictanet and yesterday I learnt that there is also a chairman. Some expert also came to my office last year to discuss these structures in Kictanet and nothing ever materialised.<br>
<br>In the final analysis, this means that anyone can take advantage of a society that is crippled by bad governance. ICT industry reeks of it. It begins by electing officials acceptable to the players. Who is ready to offer the much needed leadership???<br>
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<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:51 AM, wesley kiriinya <<a href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com">kiriinya2000@yahoo.com</a></a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Gentlemen,<br><br>Before these so called foreigners got these positions that Kenyans would have occupied, what were Kenyans waiting for? (Honest question.)<br><br>If there is a higher appointing authority that picks these so called foreigners over Kenyans then it's them to blame (if there is a good reason).<br>
<br>That said, as much as free speech is appreciated, so is discretion. Sorry to say but it is embarrassing to read some of these posts.<br><br>Regards.<br><br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 7/13/08, waudo siganga <i><<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a></a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: waudo siganga <<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a></a>><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and Regulation fore-Commerce in Kenya<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com">kiriinya2000@yahoo.com</a></a><br>Cc:
"'kictanet-lists'" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a></a>><br>Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 9:19 AM<br><br><div>
<p>Hi All - I am the one that asserted that Kenyan (ICT) associations should be run by Kenyans and I stand by that. It has absolutely nothing to do with racism. Every country has policies to protect its people. Even in the USA you can only stand for president if you were born American. Is that racism? Associations are at the heart of pushing for policy and it pains me to see foreigners jostling Kenyans out of the way and being the ones running up and down the Government corridors carrying "position papers".</p>
<p>I find it deplorable that Brian is using his position on the list to threaten to unsubscribe those who do not agree with his views and consign them to the Nyayo House dungeons. Brian you have been partisan on these issues throughout. You are issuing "apologies" to people you already sided with and they are quickly "accepting". At one time you were saying we visit KIF to see how they run meetings as though suggesting Kenyans do not
know how to run meetings. Is this the Brian I knew or someone using your mail account? Tafadhali, wacha wananchi wasema hata kama uko pande ile ingine.</p><p>Waudo</p><p> </p></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table>
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