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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And where can I read (or get information) about all these new
names to me? KEPSA, KIF, etc? Until recently when I joined this group, I
had never heard of them. So I wonder how all the ‘stakeholders’
have all along been involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>SK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Joseph Manthi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 09 July 2008 20:47<br>
<b>To:</b> skisonzo@gmail.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> kictanet-lists<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in
Kenya<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Waudo:<br>
I would like to pose a simple question:<br>
<br>
Why are these associations needed?<br>
<br>
Joe<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, waudo siganga <<a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Brian - DFID set up KEPSA in 2001 to unite the private
sector voice. The<br>
idea was to bring together EXISTING associations. Someone got early wind<br>
that ICT was one of the identified sectors and decided to register a NEW<br>
association ostensibly as an umbrella body. The real umbrella body was<br>
actually supposed to be KEPSA, under its ICT Board. Period. Why did<br>
someone find a pressing need to form a NEW association???<br>
<br>
Anyway right now that is history and KEPSA ICT Board is on the right<br>
track with all associations on board. We have to struggle to make sure<br>
it stays that way. I do not understand why you seem to be insisting on<br>
someone visiting KIF. What is the value addition? What can one discover<br>
there??? Some say there are personal companies underneath and KIF is the<br>
front but I do not wish to walk in that mud. My interest is KEPSA ICT<br>
Board not being equated with KIF.<br>
Waudo<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:31:54 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"<br>
<<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>> said:<br>
> Actually if my memory serves me right. KIF is KEPSAs "child" i.e
when<br>
> KEPSA decided to have sector clusters KIF was established *by* KEpsa<br>
> to act as the umbrella for ICT private sector.<br>
><br>
> But I stand to be corrected if I'm getting my facts wrong. But if I am<br>
> right then it *is* important for any critics to understand the inner<br>
> workings by visiting.<br>
><br>
> I am urging action instead of just talk.<br>
><br>
> Brian<br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPhone<br>
><br>
> On 09 Jul 2008, at 6:39 PM, "waudo siganga" <<a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Hi Brian - I do not think that the issue is an interest in the<br>
> > internal<br>
> > operations of KIF. We are talking governance in the context of KEPSA/<br>
> > KIF<br>
> > relationship, something also of interest to the consumer community.<br>
> > For<br>
> > your information last year all stakeholders held a meeting in KEPSA<br>
> > and<br>
> > decided to open membership to all interested Private Sector<br>
> > associations. This was after it was observed that the hitherto<br>
> > stranglehold on KEPSA by KIF meant that the sector was not adequately<br>
> > represented. Some people may have felt unhappy or even insecure with<br>
> > this development. The problem is that my friend Kevit, being the
KEPSA<br>
> > ICT director uses his position to constantly market KIF as if it is a<br>
> > favoured player in KEPSA (e.g. "I would like to confirm that the<br>
> > KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant." - as if implying the other<br>
> > associations are dead) He is often busy promoting "KIF
Positions"<br>
> > instead of "KEPSA Positions" including using KIF letterheads
at the<br>
> > MSFs. I have misgivings about the current ICT leadership in KEPSA<br>
> > but I<br>
> > am hopeful things will change.<br>
> ><br>
> > Waudo<br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:54:41 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>>
said:<br>
> >> Hi Alex,<br>
> >><br>
> >> I would find it hard to imagine how much more Kevit can explain
to<br>
> >> you<br>
> >> about KIF.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I would like to suggest that Kevit extend an invitation to you
(and<br>
> >> anyone else who might be interested/concerned) to attend the next
KIF<br>
> >> meeting as an observer and see/feel the animal yourself.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Brian<br>
> >><br>
> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>
> >><br>
> >> On 09 Jul 2008, at 3:45 PM, Alex Gakuru <<a
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >>> Kevit:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I shall not
ask you<br>
> >>> further KEPSA questions although on your previous email you
told<br>
> >>> Waundo "As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and
any other<br>
> >>> association to full membership of KEPSA." Apparently
this now<br>
> >>> appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo complained of<br>
> >>> "exclusion" not of his private self, rather of CSK?
I could be wrong<br>
> >>> but he could clarify.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a "Local Software
Industry<br>
> >>> Association established" with, among others, "3.1
Objective, Market<br>
> >>> the local software industry to venture capitalists."
(see<br>
> >>> announcement document attached) Was it registered under
Societies<br>
> >>> Act<br>
> >>> ( Read Public interest) or as Private (non-or-for-profit)
Company? I<br>
> >>> found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very successful
and<br>
> >>> OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your umbrella?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On the links you sent onlist:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> <a href="http://www.innovation-africa.net" target="_blank">www.innovation-africa.net</a><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Domain Name: <a href="http://INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET"
target="_blank">INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET</a><br>
> >>> Registrar: TUCOWS INC.<br>
> >>> Whois Server: <a href="http://whois.tucows.com"
target="_blank">whois.tucows.com</a><br>
> >>> Referral URL: <a href="http://domainhelp.opensrs.net"
target="_blank">http://domainhelp.opensrs.net</a><br>
> >>> Name Server: <a href="http://ULTRA103.UK2.NET"
target="_blank">ULTRA103.UK2.NET</a><br>
> >>> Name Server: <a href="http://ULTRA104.UK2.NET"
target="_blank">ULTRA104.UK2.NET</a><br>
> >>> Status: redemptionPeriod<br>
> >>> Updated Date: 24-jun-2008<br>
> >>> Creation Date: 14-may-2007<br>
> >>> Expiration Date: 14-may-2008<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I tried <a href="http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke"
target="_blank">www.innovation-africa.co.ke</a> >> was re-directing to
>> <a href="http://www.kif.or.ke" target="_blank">www.kif.or.ke</a><br>
> >>> ( but today it now says "under construction") I
gather Centurion<br>
> >>> Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in the
background<br>
> >>> when when "KIF" issues "stakeholders"
statements on an issue,how<br>
> >>> representative or public service-oriented, good governance,
in<br>
> >>> trying to understand new and old associations' motives.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> With above information, it would clear doubts of public
policy<br>
> >>> participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public
procurement<br>
> >>> involvement(s). For the sake of our growing transparent ICTs<br>
> >>> abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Alex<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai <<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
> >>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> From: kevit desai <<a
href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
> >>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
e-Commerce<br>
> >>>> in Kenya<br>
> >>>> To: <a href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a><br>
> >>>> Cc: "'kictanet-lists'" <<a
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM<br>
> >>>> Hi Alex,<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> I'm pleased to clarify as much as I can.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector industry
and<br>
> >>>> market segment<br>
> >>>> associations in almost all economic sectors.
Independence:<br>
> >>>> KEPSA decisions<br>
> >>>> are dependent on members wishes, and members are drawn
from<br>
> >>>> the private<br>
> >>>> sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached for<br>
> >>>> membership in KEPSA, neither<br>
> >>>> are government bodies including parastatals. KIF follows<br>
> >>>> the same approach<br>
> >>>> for membership and decision-making. No NGO's and<br>
> >>>> government agencies are<br>
> >>>> member ofn KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult on a
REGULAR<br>
> >>>> BASIS with all<br>
> >>>> those stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA and KIF have
no<br>
> >>>> obligation to<br>
> >>>> offer service to non members.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in touch with Sam<br>
> >>>> Mwaura of KEPSA or<br>
> >>>> Marcel Werner of KIF.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Kevit<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >>>> From: Alex Gakuru [mailto:<a
href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a>]<br>
> >>>> Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45<br>
> >>>> To: kevit desai<br>
> >>>> Cc: kictanet-lists<br>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for<br>
> >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Kevit,<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate ensuring
decisions<br>
> >>>> independence?<br>
> >>>> The political issue here may be monopolization to the<br>
> >>>> extent of clouding out<br>
> >>>> other actors thereby generating conflict. The Motive
Theory<br>
> >>>> steps in.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> We investigate the effects of competition on subjects'<br>
> >>>> attitude towards<br>
> >>>> cooperation. Three groups face three economic
environments<br>
> >>>> with different<br>
> >>>> degrees of competition, from a benchmark case with no<br>
> >>>> competition at all up<br>
> >>>> to a perfect competition case. Subjects contribute<br>
> >>>> generously to a public<br>
> >>>> project in the absence of competition, whereas they<br>
> >>>> contribute very little<br>
> >>>> in the presence of a maximum degree of competition. A<br>
> >>>> diminishing attitude<br>
> >>>> towards cooperation clearly emerges as the degree of<br>
> >>>> competition increases.<br>
> >>>> Therefore, if cooperation does enhance well-being, the<br>
> >>>> maximum degree of<br>
> >>>> competition may be not efficient.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> <<a
href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba"
target="_blank">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba</a><br>
> >>>> 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> react.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai<br>
> >>>> <<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>>> From: kevit desai<br>
> >>>> <<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>><br>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation
for<br>
> >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya<br>
> >>>>> To: <a href="mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com">alex.gakuru@yahoo.com</a><br>
> >>>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>,
"'KICTAnet ICT<br>
> >>>> Policy Discussions'"<br>
> >>>> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14 PM<br>
> >>>>> Hi Waudo,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any
other<br>
> >>>>> association to full<br>
> >>>>> membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a meaningful<br>
> >>>>> partnership.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Kevit Desai<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> _____<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> From: waudo siganga [mailto:<a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>]<br>
> >>>>> Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55<br>
> >>>>> To: Kevit Desai<br>
> >>>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>;
'KICTAnet ICT Policy<br>
> >>>>> Discussions'<br>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation
for<br>
> >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be careful when<br>
> >>>> handling<br>
> >>>>> KEPSA and KIF at<br>
> >>>>> the same time. Do not use your foothold in KEPSA to<br>
> >>>> promote<br>
> >>>>> KIF at the<br>
> >>>>> expense of other associations. The explanation is
very<br>
> >>>>> simple: KEPSA was<br>
> >>>>> formed as a focal point, a bringing together<br>
> >>>> characterised<br>
> >>>>> by INCLUSIVITY.<br>
> >>>>> KIF on the other hand is an independent association<br>
> >>>> and the<br>
> >>>>> nature of such<br>
> >>>>> an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through membership<br>
> >>>>> mechanism). I would like<br>
> >>>>> to see the promotion of more associations on the
KEPSA<br>
> >>>> ICT<br>
> >>>>> Board, not just<br>
> >>>>> KIF. Please give us space.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Waudo<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300, "Kevit<br>
> >>>> Desai"<br>
> >>>>> <<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
said:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Hi Alex,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> KEPSA (<a href="mailto:info@kepsa.or.ke">info@kepsa.or.ke</a>):
private sector policy body<br>
> >>>> with<br>
> >>>>> its own governance<br>
> >>>>> structure. Elected as a director in private capacity<br>
> >>>> and as<br>
> >>>>> KIF vice<br>
> >>>>> chairman.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> KIF (<a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>):
membership-based industry<br>
> >>>>> association, member<br>
> >>>>> of KEPSA's ICT section. Elected as vice-chairman.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Centurion Systems Ltd: (<a
href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">www.centurionsystemsltd.com</a>)<br>
> >>>>> private company,<br>
> >>>>> director, member of KIF.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems Ltd<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Chairperson - Engineering Students Exhibition<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Governor - KEPSA<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Director - KEPSA<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Director - Innovation Africa<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Director- Kenya ICT Board<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> BOA - AIESEC<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Member - National Strategy for University Education<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP<br>
> >>>> Kenya<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Raphta Rd<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> , Westlands -Nairobi<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020<br>
> >>>>> 2049750<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Mobile: +254 722 517067<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com"
target="_blank">http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://www.ieee.org" target="_blank">http://www.ieee.org</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke"
target="_blank">http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://www.innovation-africa.net"
target="_blank">http://www.innovation-africa.net</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://www.kepsa.or.ke" target="_blank">http://www.kepsa.or.ke</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://www.powerup.co.ke" target="_blank">http://www.powerup.co.ke</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://www.aiesec.org" target="_blank">http://www.aiesec.org</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://www.africon2007.co.za" target="_blank">http://www.africon2007.co.za</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://www.kif.or.ke" target="_blank">http://www.kif.or.ke</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> htpp://<a href="http://www.ict.go.ke" target="_blank">www.ict.go.ke</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://www.globalcompact.org" target="_blank">http://www.globalcompact.org</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://www.undp.org/business/gsb"
target="_blank">http://www.undp.org/business/gsb</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >>>>> From: waudo siganga [mailto:<a
href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>]<br>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40 PM<br>
> >>>>> To: kevit desai<br>
> >>>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>;
'KICTAnet ICT Policy<br>
> >>>>> Discussions'<br>
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation
for<br>
> >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message to KICTANET<br>
> >>>> I can<br>
> >>>>> answer it on<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> the same forum. I think the picture being painted<br>
> >>>> about a<br>
> >>>>> rosy situation<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> including "collaboration" is simply not<br>
> >>>> true. The<br>
> >>>>> reason to be frank is<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> that there a few in your KIF who do not want any
other<br>
> >>>>> association to<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> have a voice in KEPSA or to interact with Government.<br>
> >>>> Could<br>
> >>>>> you as a<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> KEPSA director ensure that all interested
associations<br>
> >>>>> including the<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> major ones not in KIF are allowed room to contribute<br>
> >>>> in<br>
> >>>>> KEPSA? It can be<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA only to<br>
> >>>> promote<br>
> >>>>> KIF and crack<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> down on those you feel are in the way.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Waudo<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300, "kevit<br>
> >>>> desai"<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <<a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a>>
said:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Hi Walu,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Associations are welcome to be members of KEPSA.<br>
> >>>> I<br>
> >>>>> would like to confirm<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant.
We<br>
> >>>> would<br>
> >>>>> like to do a lot<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> more<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> and welcome more support.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> We appreciate Waudo's contributions at our<br>
> >>>> last<br>
> >>>>> ministerial stakeholder<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> forum.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Collaboration is the way forward.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Kevit Desai<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> KEPSA Director<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> From:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>> kictanet-bounces+kevit=<a
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a>@<a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit">kictanet-bounces+kevit</a>=<a
href="http://centurionsystemsltd.com" target="_blank">centurionsystemsltd.com</a>@<a
href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
> >>>> ]<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> On Behalf Of waudo siganga<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com">kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>;
KICTAnet ICT Policy<br>
> >>>>> Discussions<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and<br>
> >>>> Regulation for<br>
> >>>>> e-Commerce in<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Kenya<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and clear on<br>
> >>>> GPRS<br>
> >>>>> somewhere in the<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> bush. I did bring out the issue of regulating the<br>
> >>>> IT<br>
> >>>>> (or ICT) Profession<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> on this list a few months ago. But the rather<br>
> >>>>> unenthusiastic response I<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> got gave me the sense that possibly this was not<br>
> >>>> the<br>
> >>>>> correct list since<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> many of the subscribers appear just interested in<br>
> >>>> ICT<br>
> >>>>> Policy rather than<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> being actual IT Experts. Within the next two<br>
> >>>> weeks<br>
> >>>>> there will be another<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> list for professionals and you will be informed<br>
> >>>> (you<br>
> >>>>> have the<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> qualifications, don't you??). We are pushing<br>
> >>>> for a<br>
> >>>>> registration board<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> like thise done last yeaer for
nutritionists and<br>
> >>>>> Procurement<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Practitioners. There is a lot of work going on<br>
> >>>>> unheralded. All we need<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> is a champion or chanpions in the right place.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Waudo<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700 (PDT),<br>
> >>>> "John<br>
> >>>>> Walubengo"<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>>
said:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> Marcel,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> It looks like quite some work has been<br>
> >>>> ongoing in<br>
> >>>>> this<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> area...unfortunately it seems as if it was<br>
> >>>>> restricted within KIF only?<br>
> >>>>> I<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> wonder if Computer Society of Kenya (CSK,<br>
> >>>> Waudo r<br>
> >>>>> u there?) or<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> Information Security Audit & Control<br>
> >>>>> (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> mention some of the big IT Associations in<br>
> >>>> Kenya<br>
> >>>>> were involved. I beg to<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> be enlightened.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> This brings in an old question - who really<br>
> >>>>> represents the IT Profession<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> in Kenya? Shem has been on record as
saying<br>
> >>>> that<br>
> >>>>> IT is the only<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> discipline where we seem to lack bodies with<br>
> >>>> the<br>
> >>>>> same authority as LSK<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> (Law Society of Kenya), IEK (Institute of<br>
> >>>>> Engineers of Kenya), Medical<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> Practictioners Board amongst others to<br>
> >>>> regulate<br>
> >>>>> the IT Profession.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> And by the way, KICTAnet does not fit the<br>
> >>>> bill<br>
> >>>>> either (and has a<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> different objective anyway). But time
has<br>
> >>>> come<br>
> >>>>> to really start thinking<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> of regulating the IT profession, even as we<br>
> >>>>> struggle to regulate the<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> industry...Ideally, CSK should take the lead<br>
> >>>> on<br>
> >>>>> this, but they have been<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> awfully quite except when they award prizes<br>
> >>>> at<br>
> >>>>> the end of the year<br>
> >>>>> (Waudo<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> I know u will kill me offline but I just had<br>
> >>>> to<br>
> >>>>> say it!).<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> KEPSA? very reputable and effective<br>
> >>>> particularly<br>
> >>>>> in the Manufacturing<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> sector but on IT? am not sure they have been<br>
> >>>> as<br>
> >>>>> effective - particularly<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> because the link between KEPSA/KIF and the<br>
> >>>> IT<br>
> >>>>> industry has been 'cloudy'<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> for lack of a better word...Can for example<br>
> >>>> CSK<br>
> >>>>> or ISACA be part of<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> KEPSA without being part of KIF? I again<br>
> >>>> need to<br>
> >>>>> be enlightened.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> O.K. I agree I did digress, but just<br>
> >>>> thinking<br>
> >>>>> loudly and saying that as<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> we think of regulating electronic<br>
> >>>> transactions,<br>
> >>>>> we also need to<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> simultaneously start regulating the IT<br>
> >>>>> profession..but maybe I am wrong.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> Particularly because regulation can and<br>
> >>>> often<br>
> >>>>> leads to suppression...<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> walu.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Marcel Werner<br>
> >>>>> <<a href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> From: Marcel Werner<br>
> >>>>> <<a href="mailto:marcelcwerner@gmail.com">marcelcwerner@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Legislation and<br>
> >>>>> Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:secretariat@kif.or.ke">secretariat@kif.or.ke</a>,<br>
> >>>> "KICTAnet<br>
> >>>>> ICT Policy Discussions"<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:43 PM<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> Legislation and Regulation for<br>
> >>>> e-Commerce in<br>
> >>>>> Kenya<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) - Briefing<br>
> >>>> Note #<br>
> >>>>> 3 - Report -<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> Public Panel 19<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> June 2008<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> *Electronic commerce (e-commerce) will<br>
> >>>> add<br>
> >>>>> at least one<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> percent point growth<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> to Kenya's overall economic growth<br>
> >>>>> within five years.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> This is contingent<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> upon the adoption of legislation that<br>
> >>>>> supports electronic<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> transactions. *Kenya,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> as an emerging economy and regional<br>
> >>>> leader,<br>
> >>>>> lags behind in<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> having a legal<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> framework for e-commerce in place. The<br>
> >>>>> current situation is<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> an anachronism<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> hampering national development, placing<br>
> >>>>> provincial centres<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> at a<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> disadvantage, and harming global<br>
> >>>>> competitiveness. Both<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> external and internal<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> trade require the new framework.The<br>
> >>>> Kenyan<br>
> >>>>> private sector<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> strongly supports<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> e-commerce legislation, as well as<br>
> >>>>> legislation of the<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> Information and<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> Communication Technology sector that<br>
> >>>>> guarantees an open<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> market and promotes<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> innovation.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation<br>
> >>>>> supporting<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> electronic transactions<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> represents the single most powerful<br>
> >>>>> innovation opportunity<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> in the legal<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> framework of the ICT sector.<br>
> >>>> Legislation is<br>
> >>>>> needed to:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> -Legalize e-commerce transactions by<br>
> >>>>> recognizing an<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> electronic signature<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>>>> -Manage and control e-commerce r<br>
> >>> <KENYA SOFTWARE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION.doc><br>
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