Ignorance would too mild a description. If we agreed to "understand" their inability to comprehend ICTs, how then could anyone expect them to legislate on ICT consumer protection? At stake is not just techies' votes, unless 8 million mobile and 3 million internet users votes also do not matter. More serioulsy, should we be expected to remain mum while they forfeit their legislative duties?<br><br><b><i>Lucy Kimani <lkimani@comnews.co.ke></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Becky and Brian:<br><br>I am with you on this, those expecting to lead us should do their homework<br>and ignorance is not an excuse even in law! ICT affects all Kenyans and if<br>the digital divide is to be eliminated then we need these leaders to<br>articulate their visions, and if they havent given it a thought then we<br>surely need to give them a nudge instead of sitting back and
feeling<br>slighted.<br><br>Well, I do have a voters card and every vote counts, so let no-one sell us<br>short because our individual votes do add up!<br><br>LK<br><br><br><br><br>> i agree with Brian, we should seek dialogue and just because things have<br>> been done that way in the past, it does not mean we should accept it<br>> that arguement that ICT does not have votes for them is untenable, we<br>> are people who vote,<br>><br>> besides, we have always asked our leaders to address issues and pursue<br>> certain ideologies,<br>> by accepting that its ok for them not to turn up on that day, what do we<br>> expect my grandmother in the village to do?<br>><br>> i think its time we demanded better returns for our money, we want them<br>> to be accountable, then we should start,<br>><br>> change comes from within........<br>><br>> Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote:<br>> Hi Kenneth,<br>><br>> While
I can understand your sympathy as an alternative point of view -<br>> one thing I cannot do is accept it as a reason for the no-show.<br>><br>><br>> If your diary is full you simply do not make appointments - least of all<br>> confirm participation - or say "I am only 20 minutes away".<br>><br>><br>> In addition I can assure that not even one of them was dealing with any<br>> rural issue, nor concerned with the slum constituency or other<br>> "disadvantaged" areas. I can almost guarantee you this.....<br>><br>><br>> Let me ask this entire list a question - and please excuse if I'm the<br>> only one who sees it this way. Why is it only during election period<br>> that the "wannabe" presidents talk (and get other people to talk) about<br>> the poor, underprivileged and disadvantaged?<br>><br>><br>> No excuse - mark my use of the strong language - no excuse for lack of<br>> etiquette, professionalism and
integrity.<br>><br>><br>> I think that as KICTANET we should contact each one of them and ask them<br>> what they intend to do about the broken date.<br>><br>><br>> Brian<br>><br>> On May 24, 2007, at 1:17 PM, chelimo kenneth wrote:<br>><br>> Dear All,<br>><br>> Everybody seems to be bashing the politicians without putting into<br>> cognizance their (politicans) work schedule. Their diaries are very<br>> unpredictable and most of them would give preference to issues or<br>> functions which could attract votes or popularity. ICT in my view is not a<br>> vote attracting subject under a debate in Kenya as of now. Remember<br>> government is yet to extend ICTs to rural areas and other disadvanatged<br>> places like slums.The reason is simple given the number of people who are<br>> ICT literate or compliant in such areas. Most votes are in rural areas and<br>> slums where people have no iota of
knowledge in ICT. Unless ICT is<br>> popularised first in these areas and make people ask their leaders<br>> including presidential aspirants about their blueprints on ICT, you will<br>> just be wasting your time trying to attract political leaders for an ICT<br>> debate. After all over 90 per cent of current legislators either have<br>> very basic or no knowledge of ICT after all. Good day<br>><br>> Ken Chelimo<br>> National Coordinator<br>> Kenya Network of Telecentres<br>><br>> Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote: My personal view is somewhat<br>> closer to Harry's. I think that it is<br>> unproffessional, patronising and disrespectful to confirm<br>> participation at an event of such stature - and then not show up.<br>><br>> It is more an issue of holding them accountable as opposed to<br>> expecting any brilliant and illuminating ideas on how to advance the<br>> ICT sector. As mentioned in another
discussion it would have been<br>> excellent and would have earned lots of mileage if one or some or all<br>> had come and simply said "we don't know what needs to be done with<br>> ICT, can you tell us?" That would have earned them no end of<br>> admiration and respect.<br>><br>> But now they have earned the fury of a spurned ICT sector. Let them pay!<br>><br>> Brian<br>><br>><br>> On May 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare wrote:<br>><br>>> Why are we creating excuses for our so called political leaders for<br>>> not<br>>> showing up for an activity they had all confirmed to attend? They are<br>>> embarrass themselves in front of cameras everyday and deny it the<br>>> next day,<br>>> why is this different this time?<br>>><br>>> Lets do it, lets do it right...no velvet gloves please!<br>>><br>>> Harry<br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From:
kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke<br>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces<br>>> +harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke] On<br>>> Behalf Of jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke<br>>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:12 PM<br>>> To: harry@africanedevelopment.org<br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable<br>>><br>>><br>>> Dear e-colleagues,<br>>><br>>> As I said last week, our invitees indicated a willingness to come<br>>> but they<br>>> found varied reasons not show up. We must find a way to bring them<br>>> closer.<br>>> As they need to maximize the use of their time and also to avoid<br>>> public<br>>> embarrassment, we need to perhaps do an off-line dialogue first<br>>> with them<br>>> to find out how they want their bread battered. and I therefore<br>>> agree with<br>>> Kanja's idea. Can we beat our drum louder
than the Kigali's one?<br>>><br>>> Jim Rege<br>>> Washington, D.C<br>>><br>>> Original Message:<br>>> -----------------<br>>> From: Kanja Waruru kanjawaruru@yahoo.com<br>>> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT)<br>>> To: jamesrege@africaonline.co.ke<br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable<br>>><br>>><br>>> Judy,<br>>> My concept was we use a more friendly approach and<br>>> remove the pressure from the candidates, its scaring<br>>> to be interviewed by ICT professionals under camera on<br>>> a subject you are not confident about.<br>>><br>>> So my 'chai' approach was we call them for a friendly<br>>> ICT update over a cup of tea with the main objective<br>>> being to bring them up to speed and more confident on<br>>> this complex subject. Once they are en-lighted, they<br>>> will use ICT on their campaign
trails countrywide<br>>><br>>> My worry is that if nobody takes the time now to bring<br>>> them up to speed on ICT issues we may have a heavy<br>>> price to pay later on.<br>>> Cheers.<br>>> Kanja<br>>><br>>> --- Judy Okite wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Kanja,<br>>>><br>>>> This 'chai' concept......how much accountability are<br>>>> we talking about?<br>>>> a one-on-one based conversation?<br>>>> how does it benefit the Nation? at the end of the<br>>>> day....how does your<br>>>> 'scream' come out? "He told me so?"<br>>>> Or probably we could do it,but the 'Githongo' way!<br>>>><br>>>> Kind Regards,<br>>>><br>>>> On 5/17/07, Kanja Waruru<br>>>> wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>> Dear All,<br>>>>> Let me comment on this debate.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Its obvious
that the main reason why our 'guests'<br>>>>> didn't show up was that the subject matter was to<br>>>>> sophisticated and nobody wanted to expose their<br>>>>> ignorance in front of the cameras.<br>>>>><br>>>>> My suggestion is we should invite them back not<br>>>> for a<br>>>>> press debate, and no cameras, but for chai and a<br>>>>> friendly chat that would bring them upto speed on<br>>>> ICT<br>>>>> issues.<br>>>>> Regards.<br>>>>> Kanja.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> --- Alex Gakuru<br>>>> wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>> I encourage us not tire in seeking ways to<br>>>> involve<br>>>>>> legislators in ICT but we<br>>>>>> are not afraid to critise them if and whenever<br>>>> they<br>>>>>> fail us
terribly.<br>>>>>> Aspirants you embarrassed consumers?<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Inexcusable are unapologetic absence in the<br>>>> digital<br>>>>>> age where the politicans<br>>>>>> usually show off fancy communication gadgets....<br>>>>>> considering the effort<br>>>>>> everyone put in, and most appreciated Eng.<br>>>> Rege's<br>>>>>> preparations input<br>>>>>> contribution and his early arrival.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> ...and these politicians are always so harsh at<br>>>>>> criticizing others yet when<br>>>>>> they are called to state their vision they all<br>>>>>> chicken out. They deserve a<br>>>>>> thorough thrashing for the embarrassment they<br>>>> caused<br>>>>>> to the country and the<br>>>>>>
tuned in world which now has a better<br>>>> understanding<br>>>>>> of the political<br>>>>>> protagonists qualities.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> But interesting questions were being asked in<br>>>> your<br>>>>>> view of your absence<br>>>>>> yesterday:-<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> 1. Do political leaders thrive better amidst<br>>>>>> information-deprived rural<br>>>>>> people?<br>>>>>> 2. How much of their CDF funds went to ICT<br>>>> projects?<br>>>>>> 3. Has it been over-assumed that rural means<br>>>> poor or<br>>>>>> "stupid"?<br>>>>>> 4. Do ICT disinterested MPs hope to fit well in<br>>>> Hon.<br>>>>>> Kaparo's ICT-compliant<br>>>>>> parliament?<br>>>>>> 5. What and how else could the network
deliver<br>>>> these<br>>>>>> politicians into the<br>>>>>> ICT world?<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> It was wonderful Kanja transformed local content<br>>>>>> challenges into an<br>>>>>> opportunity. "Everyday, the media, is always<br>>>> busy<br>>>>>> destroying old content<br>>>>>> because of storage problems...." (ask the media<br>>>>>> houses to for the content<br>>>>>> and start a "K-Tube"? ;-)<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Thank you Edith for sharing community wireless<br>>>>>> access point built using<br>>>>>> ordinary tins. I am intersted in ....<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Thanks to KICTANET, KENIC, KDN, MEDIA OWNERS and<br>>>>>> notable patient press who<br>>>>>> chose to stay on despite politicians failing
to<br>>>> turn<br>>>>>> up. Cover more stor<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> October 2004 draft ICT Policy decried absence of<br>>>>>> high level ICT leadership<br>>>>>> but fortunately the last year gazetted policy<br>>>> speaks<br>>>>>> of protecting this<br>>>>>> (new-found) leadership. In view of this, I am<br>>>>>> obliged to thank President<br>>>>>> Kibaki for assuming high level ICT leadership<br>>>> the<br>>>>>> successive ICT directives<br>>>>>> in 2006 ( e.g. fibre, digitisation... )<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> So, I give credit where it is due?<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Alex Gakuru<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> On 5/17/07, Lucy Kimani<br>>>>>> wrote:<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>
All,<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> I am just venting on the dismal performance of<br>>>> our<br>>>>>> aspiring presidential<br>>>>>>> candidates, I have noticed a trend where those<br>>>> in<br>>>>>> leadershipship positions<br>>>>>>> let alone those aspiring for the same confirm<br>>>>>> their attendance to a<br>>>>>>> certain function and then not show up or best<br>>>> case<br>>>>>> scenario show up 2-3<br>>>>>>> hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as<br>>>>>> Kenyans accept this<br>>>>>>> behavior, and I am at a loss!<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the<br>>>> citizens<br>>>>>> need to start demanding<br>>>>>>> accountability in that when one says
they will<br>>>>>> attend a function then they<br>>>>>>> should keep to their word, after all why are<br>>>>>> electing people whose word<br>>>>>>> doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of<br>>>> us<br>>>>>> also have busy work lives<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> and the fact that we were willing to stop what<br>>>> we<br>>>>>> were doing to sit down<br>>>>>>> to hear what these aspiring candidates have to<br>>>> say<br>>>>>> about ICT is a<br>>>>>>> testament to how important we feel ICT to be<br>>>> to<br>>>>>> the country.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> I am one for making strong statements, and a<br>>>> one<br>>>>>> page ad expressing our<br>>>>>>> displeasure and questioning why
the candidates<br>>>> are<br>>>>>> scared of facing a<br>>>>>>> serious group of citizens wanting to know<br>>>> where<br>>>>>> each of them stands in ICT<br>>>>>>> would be in order! I am sure if it was one of<br>>>>>> those meetings where fans<br>>>>>>> are shouting at the top of their voices, and<br>>>> no<br>>>>>> one is asking any serious<br>>>>>>> questions they probably would show up, we need<br>>>> to<br>>>>>> start demanding more<br>>>>>>> from our politicians!<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Just my thoughts!<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> LK<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------<br>>>>>>> This email was sent
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