[kictanet] WhatsApp to Move Ahead with its Privacy Updates

Tue Feb 23 22:12:31 EAT 2021

Athar,

How will FB like the idea of trading data? 🙃Already you're using their
platform for 'free'. Your data is how you pay for it.  Further, FB is ready
to let go small markets if they go too hard on them. Take the case of
Australia where they wanted to journalists to be paid for their news feed.

Methinks one way we can have an impact is to harmonize our data protection
policies as region and act as one. Just like EU. What are the possibilities?

@jimmy. I like the public perspectives on privacy that you bring out. You
hit the nail on the head.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 11:35 Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I pray you are well.
>
> My 2 cents worth is that privacy is an inherent right of every human being
> but you give up this right when you share yourself on a public platform.
>
> The only problem is that the consolidation of that data will result in
> financial benefit for the social media platform. In this regard social
> media platforms are like banks that store our money (data), this is then
> consolidated into a larger capital (knowledge) position and given to
> borrowers as loans (marketing and research  related). Platforms such as
> these will also create a reality of what the world is for AI systems.
>
> The solution to this problem will be a mix of personal renumeration,
> taxation and other innovative models. In this regard the question that
> should be answered is legally in Kenya does data of a person belong to that
> individual or the state (money for instance can be taken back by the state
> or its value destroyed eg the old 1000 ksh note). We shared a lot of data
> in huduma and other initiatives; is this data now sovereign property under
> trust ? Can it be traded for investment into the country.
>
> We may find out that all data is state owned. Then Kenya should benefit
> from its trade.
>
> We need only embark on initiatives where these platforms use a distributed
> data repository system ensuring that they keep that data in country. It
> would result in the use of the technology city initiatives thus benefiting
> growth of this endeavor. A block chain consent system could be created
> with a 2-3 way consent on availability of that data for trading purpose.
> The country would have the ability to consent approval for sharing this
> data for trading or not.
>
> The best part is that these sovereignty mechanisms can be initiated at any
> point. Data is like the news and only valuable as long as it’s ‘fresh’.
>
> Mine was only to suggest as a Kenyan.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Sincerely
>
> Athar
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:59 AM Jimmy Gitonga via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Liz, Ali and Barrack,
>>
>> I would add that what I have seen from Facebook is that they "smelt blood
>> in the water" during the pandemic. There is a bigger picture here.
>>
>>    1. Those of us who are “BBC" (Born Before Computers) can talk of
>>    walking away and life continues. But any urbanite born after Windows 95
>>    does not have the “luxury”. The pandemic simply made digital interaction
>>    “essential"
>>    2. Facebook has a collective “population” across their platforms of
>>    almost 3 billion. Let’s take 10% and assume these will do commerce on their
>>    platforms. That is a market the size of the USA or Europe north of the Alps
>>    or Nigeria combined with South Africa.
>>    3. For developers, Facebook has introduced things like the *Instagram
>>    Content Publishing API, *which means "Instagram Business accounts can
>>    schedule and publish posts to their Instagram Feeds from third-party
>>    platforms.” Think integration with ERPs and CRMs.
>>    4. And just like Microsoft and lately AWS, Facebook has created
>>    Facebook Developer certification so that one can be a technical expert in
>>    Facebook marketing products. <- A job right there that did not exist six
>>    months ago.
>>
>> Just keep in mind the market being addressed here. The train left the
>> station, as Barrack said. The potential money the "post BBC” generation on
>> FB and other platforms are likely to make, considering people like Elsa
>> Majimbo <https://linktr.ee/ElsaMajimbo>, are too tantalising to turn
>> away from. These are the choices this generation has. Either one starves in
>> a country run by thieves or jumps onto the digital platforms and make a
>> life for oneself. Elsa’s dad told her that this “Internet” thing is getting
>> in the way of her studies, considering that she is quite smart. Guess how
>> that conversation went ...
>>
>> Privacy, what privacy? Even if I say I want the contents of my emails to
>> be “private” on Gmail, what I are really concerned about is how Google uses
>> the access to my information in my InBox and how it “secures" it against
>> leakage from "unauthorised” parties. Data “privacy” is concerned with "how
>> data is shared with third parties.”  What people are interested in is the
>> security or protection of data, not privacy in the “private” sense. A vast
>> majority on Facebook platforms are going nowhere. Apple is playing the same
>> game here with their “hardware” platforms, just more subtle.
>>
>> *Jimmy Gitonga*
>> @Afrowave
>> Web : Motion
>> On 23 Feb 2021, 09:31 +0300, kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke, wrote:
>>
>>
>> Message: 1
>>
>> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 09:29:52 +0300
>>
>> From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>>
>> To: Liz Orembo <lizorembo at gmail.com>
>>
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] WhatsApp to Move Ahead with its Privacy
>>
>> Updates
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>>
>> Liz
>>
>>
>> We have none. We gave away our rights. The only remedy is to walk away...
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> *Ali Hussein*
>>
>>
>> Digital Transformation
>>
>>
>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>
>>
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>
>>
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>
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>>
>>
>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
>>
>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>>
>> organizations that I work with.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:12 AM Liz Orembo <lizorembo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Ali and Barrack, I totally agree with you.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Lakini why are we only treating it as a matter of individual consent?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Will this become a new trend where tech monopolies will be baiting
>> people
>>
>> > with free products to a point their platforms become essential services,
>>
>> > then boom! New strange updates.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Where does consumer protection come in.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 08:57 Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>
>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> @Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> kabisa kaka.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> So here's the thing. Wacha nifungue roho as GG keeps on saying.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I have been warning people for years that there's nothing for free.
>>
>> >> Facebook is a marketplace. And if you are not selling or buying you
>> are the
>>
>> >> product. Plain and simple. Kwani hio platform ilijengwe na nini (how
>> do you
>>
>> >> think the platform was built?) We have a saying in Kiswahili -
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Ukiona vyaelea jua vimeundwa.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> The choice is simple. Put up or ship out. If the Australian government
>>
>> >> has buckled to the muscle of Facebook who are we?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> :-)
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> *Ali Hussein*
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Digital Transformation
>>
>>
>>
>> >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:51 AM Barrack Otieno <
>> otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> Morning Listers,
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Looks like the train already left the station. I have noticed lately
>>
>> >>> that when i discuss a product on Whatsapp, i see it on my Facebook
>>
>> >>> timeline. On the flip side i don't mind the new development since it
>> makes
>>
>> >>> my decision making easier. Siri haiwekwi kwa simu ama namna gani @Ali
>>
>> >>> Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Regards
>>
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>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Athar Ahmad Bhatti
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