[kictanet] WhatsApp to Move Ahead with its Privacy Updates

Wathagi Ndungu joywathagi at gmail.com
Tue Feb 23 22:08:33 EAT 2021 

Hi Listers,

Great insights.

Good question Mwendwa:-
1.Different regions are getting different sets of rules because WhatsApp
has to comply with the various sets of Privacy/ Data Protection rules in
the different regions.
For example in California they have to comply with the CCPA , in UK Data
protection and in EU they must comply with the GDPR and so on. I think the
question is not whether our DP Act is as strong as the GDPR but on
enforcement and implementation. We have a great document. I just don't know
what is happening in the Office of Our Data Commissioner Immaculate but I
saw GG was there the other day, maybe she can tell us haha.

2. Among the data that will be shared is metadata (which is typically data
about data like location, time etc..) So WhatsApp will share information
such as Phone number, device ID, location, transaction data, product
information and other user identifiers. Whether or not you have a Facebook
account is iimaterial.

Warm Regards,

*Joy Wathagi Ndungu*

LIPIT- Master's Student

Tel: +4917671687803

Email: joywathagi at gmail.com

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Herzliche Grüße,

*Joy Wathagi Ndungu*

LIPIT- Masterstudent

Tel.: +4917671687803

E-Mail: joywathagi at gmail.com

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On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 at 16:55, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> What would be important for us all is to
> 1. Understand what the WhatsApp privacy updates really entail. In the age
> of fake news, a lot has been spread, even on WhatsApp and it is difficult
> to pinpoint the truth.
>
> 2. Why is FB releasing different updates for different regions? Europe is
> getting a different set of rules than the rest of us. Are our data
> protection laws as strong as GDPR?
>
> It would be good for FB to debunk all the theories going around
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 9:29 AM Ali Hussein via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Liz
>>
>> We have none. We gave away our rights. The only remedy is to walk away...
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> *Ali Hussein*
>>
>> Digital Transformation
>>
>>
>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
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>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:12 AM Liz Orembo <lizorembo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ali and Barrack, I totally agree with you.
>>>
>>> Lakini why are we only treating it as a matter of individual consent?
>>>
>>> Will this become a new trend where tech monopolies will be baiting
>>> people with free products to a point their platforms become essential
>>> services, then boom! New strange updates.
>>>
>>> Where does consumer protection come in.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 08:57 Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> kabisa kaka.
>>>>
>>>> So here's the thing. Wacha nifungue roho as GG keeps on saying.
>>>>
>>>> I have been warning people for years that there's nothing for free.
>>>> Facebook is a marketplace. And if you are not selling or buying you are the
>>>> product. Plain and simple. Kwani hio platform ilijengwe na nini (how do you
>>>> think the platform was built?) We have a saying in Kiswahili -
>>>>
>>>> Ukiona vyaelea jua vimeundwa.
>>>>
>>>> The choice is simple. Put up or ship out. If the Australian government
>>>> has buckled to the muscle of Facebook who are we?
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>>
>>>> Digital Transformation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>
>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>
>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
>>>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>>>> organizations that I work with.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:51 AM Barrack Otieno <
>>>> otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Morning Listers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like the train already left the station. I have noticed lately
>>>>> that when i discuss a product on Whatsapp, i see it on my Facebook
>>>>> timeline. On the flip side i don't mind the new development since it makes
>>>>> my decision making easier. Siri haiwekwi kwa simu ama namna gani @Ali
>>>>> Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:22 AM Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an interesting development. I can't understand what's going
>>>>>> on in Menlo Park, California. On the face of it seems like its Facebook vs
>>>>>> the World.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What gives? What are the algorithms and data telling them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Digital Transformation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are
>>>>>> purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>>>>>> organizations that I work with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 10:34 PM Liz Orembo via kictanet <
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings listers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks like WhatsApp privacy updates are still with us, just
>>>>>>> postponed till 15th May. Check these links out:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    -  WhatsApp to switch off messages for all who reject new terms :
>>>>>>>    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56154543
>>>>>>>    - WhatsApp to move ahead with privacy update despite backlash:
>>>>>>>    //www.reuters.com/article/facebook-whatsapp-privacy-idUSKBN2AJ0BC
>>>>>>>    <https://www.reuters.com/article/facebook-whatsapp-privacy-idUSKBN2AJ0BC>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KICTANet in partnership with FB will hold a webinar *Tuesday on
>>>>>>> March 2nd, from 11am to 12.30* noon. The FB team will respond to
>>>>>>> questions that were raised earlier on  this list, and new ones that may
>>>>>>> arise as a result of these new updates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We therefore invite you to ask your questions here starting tomorrow
>>>>>>> Tuesday February 23, 2020 to Thursday February 25, 2020. The questions will
>>>>>>> be curated and the FB team will respond to them during the webinar on
>>>>>>> Tuesday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are a few questions to guide our discussions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    1. 1. What trends are these updates going to set?
>>>>>>>    2. These updates only apply in Europe because of the GDPR, yet
>>>>>>>    our own data protection Act mirrors these regulations. What can we make of
>>>>>>>    this?
>>>>>>>    3. What are the implications of the privacy updates on harvesting
>>>>>>>     the data and metadata for advertisement?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The floor is open!
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards.
>>>>>>> Liz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PGP ID: 0x1F3488BF
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>>>>> --
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