[kictanet] Safaricom repossessing numbers (What the heck!)

Mon Sep 7 12:22:24 EAT 2020

Interesting subject. I bought a line recently, and I now get reminder texts
from Dlight that are meant for someone named Jane Kosgei reminding her to
make daily payments. The line was also used to take a loan on Branch, who
are also sending reminders that this needs to be paid. It was used to set
up a Facebook account, and Lord knows which other accounts I am yet to
discover.
As far as I'm concerned, I bought a new line, and it's not my job to reach
out to these people and ask them to remove my number. I've tried with
Dlight, but they still send texts every day. The service provider should
alert you when you buy a new line showing which services it is subscribed
to, or is this too much to ask?

Eric Mugendi
about.me/mugendi
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 11:11, simiyu mse via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> I remember losing a number that way before mpesa became a thing. The
> inconvenience was simple, notifying people of your change in number, losing
> a few deals and life resumed. Not so much anymore with mpesa, ecitizen,
> KRA, and many other 2FA services being linked to this number.
>
> I believe with Mpesa effectively acting as a bank account for people now,
> the current quiet 6 month countdown is not very ergonomic. With people
> using other providers as primary and keeping the safaricom line as
> secondary/mpesa/ecitizen etc, it is time Safaricom introduced notification
> methods on this pending loss of line. I mean we get birthday texts, it is
> not any more difficult to implement.
>
> Either by sending emails a month to expiry, texts to your primary line
> (the saf one in this case) and/or a secondary line. Even option for next of
> kin. This gives one an option to salvage the issue before it turns quite
> tumultuous. With our numbers being our identity in very many services.
>
> I remember Big Green was handing over KSh. 500m of unclaimed assets to
> UFAA a short while ago, so there is alot done right, this just needs mild
> sanding.
>
> Regards.
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 1:30 PM Barrack Otieno via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> I think it might be good to give a right to reply to Safaricom on this
>> issue, not sure if Steve is still on the list or if this issue has been
>> brought to his attention. I personally would like to be educated on the
>> current state of affairs.Many folks are buying simcards for frivolous
>> reasons and throwing them away, i guess it is a tough balance for the
>> Telcos and
>>
>> On Sat, 5 Sep 2020, 10:16 am Wainaina Mungai via kictanet, <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Pole sana Brian,
>>>
>>> On this one, many people can relate. I look forward to a solution that
>>> will ensure we get to keep our lines and have to give express authority to
>>> have the same transfered.
>>>
>>> Wainaina
>>>
>>> On Sat, 5 Sep 2020, 08:21 Twahir Hussein Kassim via kictanet, <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Totally agree with you Maria!
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020, 10:37 PM maria at afrikaict via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Brian and Listers:
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s odd but understandable. Have had my Safcom for the 20 years I
>>>>> have been Washington DC Diaspora and yes there are times I have been gone
>>>>> for several months fortunately not YEARS at a go!
>>>>>
>>>>> So the secret is just loading enough airtime and doing one small
>>>>> transaction like buying airtime once a month!
>>>>>
>>>>> I did however have a shocking one with my Telkom Kenya line I have
>>>>> used for 18 months 0770722018 just rudely assigned to someone else yet I
>>>>> was MOSTLY in Kenya and used this LINE DAILY as the BETTER MORE AFFORDABLE
>>>>> OPTION!
>>>>>
>>>>> Our Telcos can be RIDICULOUS in “FOLLOWING” set out regulations in a
>>>>> VERY SELECTIVE MANNER!
>>>>>
>>>>> My SAFCOM MY MAISHA MY IDENTITY! I feel for you Ndugu Longwe, That one
>>>>> fight it out hata kama ni KORTINI!
>>>>>
>>>>> My two cents take on the matter!
>>>>>
>>>>> Baraka,
>>>>> Maria
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, September 4, 2020, Brian Munyao Longwe via kictanet <
>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi folk,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been a long time. I hope you are all well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So - mimi niko na issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Safaricom number 0715964281 has apparently been repossessed and
>>>>>> sold to someone else. The other day I opened up my Safaricom app to send
>>>>>> some m-pesa to my daughter as she transits through Nairobi from Malaysia
>>>>>> and shock on me! It displayed the name as "Beatrice Chelangat"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As many of you know - I have been "diaspora" for a good number of
>>>>>> years (close to 9) and am currently based in Malawi. I went to the Kenyans
>>>>>> in Malawi Whatsapp group and mentioned the issue and was told that my line
>>>>>> is gone because I failed to top up in over 6 months. (This is very true, I
>>>>>> think the last time I used the line was more than 8 months ago).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I find surprising is that this has never been a problem in the
>>>>>> preceding 9+ years that I have been diaspora. My line has many times gone
>>>>>> more than 6,7,8 months without a topup - but always "wakes up" when I load
>>>>>> airtime. And m-pesa has always worked. What gives?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am distressed because my m-pesa, my e-Citizen, NTSA, bank accounts
>>>>>> and many other digital assets / identity related items are linked to this
>>>>>> number which I have had for the past 15+ years. My digital identity (and
>>>>>> that of many others in similar predicament) is at risk. How did CA allow
>>>>>> this kind of reappropriation to happen without an extensive process?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would expect that at a minimum - after the expiry of a period of
>>>>>> non-use, and several alerts sent to the number Safaricom (or any other
>>>>>> mobile operator) should publish a gazette notice listing numbers (and
>>>>>> associated registered persons) they want to deactivate/repossess and allow
>>>>>> a period (3 months?) for the owners to claim their number. At the end of
>>>>>> this period then admittedly no one should complain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Otherwise as far as I am concerned I have just been the victim of a
>>>>>> sim-cloning scam perpetrated by the same company that provides me with the
>>>>>> telecoms service!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to hear what the thoughts of the many much brighter
>>>>>> people than me on this group are....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mblayo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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