[kictanet] U.S. FTA Agreement

Thu Sep 3 14:29:55 EAT 2020

Fiona

This is great news. However, please allay our fears as I see neither TESPOK
nor TESPOK members on the list. For ease of reference please see attached
list.

Regards

*Ali Hussein*

Digital Transformation

Tel: +254 713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim

Skype: abu-jomo

LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>

Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
organizations that I work with.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 12:14 PM Fiona Asonga via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Hallo All
>
> TESPOK is representing local ICT companies in the U.S. FTA negotiations. I
> will however share the issues that arise here by end of day today so that
> we can have a moderated discussion to gather input from the greater ICT
> sector. There are several areas that we can give input on, close to 12
> areas.
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Beryl Aidi via kictanet" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *To: *tespok at tespok.co.ke
> *Cc: *"Beryl Aidi" <bee.aidi at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, 2 September, 2020 9:59:40 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] U.S. FTA Agreement
>
> Hi Listers
> My two cents on the FTA .
> The problems with data protection not withstanding, back to the original
> question Ali asked why there are 9 American companies on the FTA
> negotiation list; while on the one hand they might argue that these MNCs
> are also registered here (if that's the case), the bigger issue is what is
> the real benefit to Kenyan companies. This is reminiscent of the problems
> that the Economic Partnership Agreements (EPAs) with the EU caused where
> local producers ended up being disadvantaged getting the short end of the
> stick of being relegated to raw material providers, no participation and
> disadvantaged in costs with lack of government subsidies as opposed to the
> EU producers. As long as this is the case, the local producers do not get
> value for their produce, with very little value addition, we end up buying
> back our own products as imported goods when they are sold back to us as
> finished products. While this consortium seems to have Kenyan companies, it
> would be insightful to know the composition of those Kenyan companies, and
> if the 9 MNCs are representative or take the centre stage at the
> negotiations as Kenyan companies then that is problematic as there is no
> real negotiations with no real participation of Kenyan companies - still a
> case of scoring own goals- another short end of the stick to local
> producers where we remain relegated to raw materials producers and net
> importers of finished goods. Our industries can't grow under such trade
> agreements.
>
> Regards
> Beryl
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 9:03 AM Ali Hussein via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Asante Mugambi.
>>
>> *Ali Hussein*
>>
>> Digital Transformation
>>
>>
>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>> organizations that I work with.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:48 AM Mugambi Laibuta <mlaibuta at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> California law does not apply to all states. Also have a look at the
>>> article I shared
>>>
>>> Data Transfers and the Kenya-US Trade Talks
>>> https://www.laibuta.com/data-protection/data-transfers-and-the-kenya-us-trade-talks/
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Mugambi Laibuta
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 08:46 Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mugambi
>>>>
>>>> I find it hard to believe that the U.S. has no Data Protection laws.
>>>> Please expound on this. I know for instance that California has a
>>>> comprehensive Privacy Act. Here is a link to that.
>>>>
>>>> California Data Privacy Law.
>>>> <https://www.csoonline.com/article/3292578/california-consumer-privacy-act-what-you-need-to-know-to-be-compliant.html>
>>>>
>>>> I guess you are referring to Federal law?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>>
>>>> Digital Transformation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>
>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>
>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
>>>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>>>> organizations that I work with.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:32 AM Mugambi Laibuta via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In a nutshell, with the agreement, there is bound to be challenges in
>>>>> relation to data transfers. The Data Protection Act provides that transfers
>>>>> should be to countries that have data laws similar to ours. The US does not
>>>>> have concrete data protection laws. Will we use the trade agreement to with
>>>>> away our data to a country that has no data protection laws?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mugambi Laibuta
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 08:29 Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga at hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @Mugambi Laibuta <mlaibuta at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please give us some of the highlights...for the quick reader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Grace Githaiga*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Twitter: @ggithaiga
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype: gracegithaiga
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .*..**the most important office in a democracy is the citizen. So,
>>>>>> you see, that’s what our democracy demands. It needs you!----Barrack Obama.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ggithaiga=
>>>>>> hotmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Mugambi Laibuta via
>>>>>> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>> *Sent:* 02 September 2020 8:23 AM
>>>>>> *To:* ggithaiga at hotmail.com <ggithaiga at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> *Cc:* Mugambi Laibuta <mlaibuta at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] U.S. FTA Agreement
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wrote on the aspect of data transfers -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Data Transfers and the Kenya-US Trade Talks:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.laibuta.com/data-protection/data-transfers-and-the-kenya-us-trade-talks/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mugambi Laibuta
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 08:20 Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Listers. The above refers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the Kenya government has been negotiating a Free Trade Agreement
>>>>>> with the U.S. Government. below is the high-level Vision for the #FTA
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?keywords=fta&highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6706564288401686528>
>>>>>> :-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To conclude an agreement with Kenya that can serve as a model for
>>>>>> additional agreements in Africa, leading to a network of agreements that
>>>>>> contribute to Africa’s regional integration objectives. In addition, the
>>>>>> goal is to conclude an agreement that builds on the objectives of #AGOA
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?keywords=agoa&highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6706564288401686528> and
>>>>>> will serve as an enduring foundation to expand U.S -Africa trade and
>>>>>> investment across the continent.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenya Private Sector Alliance (KEPSA)
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/kenya-private-sector-alliance-kepsa/> in
>>>>>> its wisdom chose a number of companies to be in the consortium of the
>>>>>> US-Kenya FTA negotiations/conversations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now...Is it just me or don't I understand International Trade?
>>>>>> Someone, please explain to me why in that group of companies you have 9
>>>>>> American companies on the list? Including IBM
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/ibm/>, The Coca-Cola Company
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-coca-cola-company/>, and Citi
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/citi/>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is like scoring an own goal before starting the game! Or am I
>>>>>> wrong? Please explain to me the rationale?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Join the conversation.
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/posts/alihkassim_kepsa-consortium-on-the-us-kenya-fta-activity-6706564288401686528-4zlk>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Digital Transformation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> organizations that I work with.
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