[kictanet] Google has revoked Huawei's Android license

Fri May 24 15:22:42 EAT 2019

Barrack,

Yes in order to angukia we need to be strategically ready. One of the
incentives for manufacturing in China is cheap labor for the obvious reason
of their population. I'm not sure our labor is cheap. One possible approach
can be to partner with polytechnics and technical training centers in the
country, prepare those youth for these jobs and then absorb them soon after
their studies. However, that's only one aspect of the infrastructure
necessary because our friends at Kenya Power are not in the loop of
affordable power to facilitate this. My only hope is that this does not
give rise to the nuclear power debate because I don't think we're ready nor
should we be adopting nuclear power. We have lots of alternatives for power
(I feel strongly about the nuclear power excuse my digression).

Kathy

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 1:24 PM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Patrick and Kathy,
>
> I like the kuangukia bit. We should amplify this part of the conversation.
> How exactly can Africa net consumer capitalise on the situation?
>
> Regards
>
> On Fri, 24 May 2019 13:12 Kathy Mwai via kictanet, <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> I am in complete agreement with you here - China is being smart and most
>> probably planning what battles to fight. I can't wait to see how the fact
>> that China holds America's biggest debt is going to play out. And as far as
>> manufacturing? Yeah perhaps it wasn't a smart move to not decentralize but
>> creating redundancy in manufacturing I suppose is not the thing that
>> happens. The way I see it is that this move is going to get companies to
>> move out of China to avoid the tariffs, systematically weaken China - a
>> long shot though - and thereby tame their increasing dominance. What with
>> the road and belt initiative which America is super opposed to? Not
>> forgetting that this is a political move and 2020 is beckoning.
>>
>> Is a wait and observe from here onwards...
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 1:48 PM Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul, could it be the other way round... that China's power is being
>>> underestimated?
>>>
>>> Consider the following "cards" that China has yet to play:
>>>
>>> 1. Apple: a sitting duck that doesn't seem to have a "plan B" for its
>>> factories. Numerous other US manufacturers (e.g. shoe/apparel industry) are
>>> in the same boat.
>>>
>>> 2. US has materially significant reliance on China for supply of rare
>>> earth elements (essential for its tech and defense manufacturing
>>> industries). Currently, only China can meet US demand.
>>>
>>> 3. As a net exporter, china can artificially devalue its currency to
>>> offset the impact of US trade sanctions/concessions.
>>>
>>> 4. China also holds a significant amount of US bonds that it can
>>> fire-dump to try trigger an economic crisis in the US. Might backfire on
>>> China though.
>>>
>>> 5. It can also dump dollars and switch to barter / other currencies,
>>> weakening USD hegemony (e.g. in global commodities markets).
>>>
>>> 6. European manufacturers / brands / traders might not see this as their
>>> fight so could pressure their US allied governments to chart their own
>>> paths. Example being UK's 5G quagmire. Italy and Germany as well..
>>>
>>> 7. China is a Military power (with nukes) - so the US - and (especially)
>>> its European allies - will think twice, or thrice, before leveraging
>>> military options.
>>>
>>> 8. China could come down hard on us national champions, like Boeing.
>>>
>>> I think China is exercising tactical restraint and playing for time as
>>> US gets into election mode.
>>>
>>> If there was ever an incentive for a state actor to hack the US election
>>> and put a more "moderate" person in office, China has plenty of it right
>>> now. So does Russia - after the sanctions. Interesting times ahead in the
>>> cyber realm.
>>>
>>> On relocating factories, it's not that easy (except for low-tech
>>> industries). Tech manufacturing relies on supply chain ecosystems, complex
>>> tooling and specialized labor that takes time to develop in a sustainable
>>> way. By optimizing their supply chain, US manufacturers inadvertently put
>>> all their eggs in one basket instead of developing strategic resilience by
>>> setting up distributed factories in the global south - especially in Africa.
>>>
>>> Hard to blame them though... I don't think anyone could have imagined
>>> the present day scenario as a plausible risk! The business case for
>>> geographical redundancy just didn't exist. But it does now.
>>>
>>> You can be sure that governments, investors and corporations are
>>> following these events very closely and learning fast.. and so it is likely
>>> that there will be major global production/supply chain adaptations as
>>> global actors implement smart geopolitical risk management strategies.
>>>
>>> Africa stands to gain massively ("kuangukia") - especially countries
>>> that can quickly get their act together (control corruption, reduce
>>> nepotism and build the right strategic teams to tap into these new
>>> opportunities via win-win models).
>>>
>>> Good day,
>>> Patrick.
>>>
>>> Patrick A. M. Maina
>>> [Cross-domain Innovator | Independent Public Policy Analyst - Indigenous
>>> Innovations]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 1:49:43 AM GMT+3, Paul Magacha via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Listers,
>>> I can’t stop my self from commenting on this topic. It looks like we are
>>> underestimating USA and its allies. US is a net importer while China is a
>>> net exporter, economics experts, understand the impact of tariffs on these
>>> types of economies.
>>>
>>> Also china’s economy is not that open compared to the western economies.
>>> Google maps can’t be used in China etc.
>>>
>>> Chinese government spends billions of dollars sending students to US to
>>> learn technology and sciences but I don’t see US government doing the same.
>>> Clearly you should see who are the leaders. Don’t forget most  of Chinese
>>> technology was derived from stolen intellectual property (IP) from US and
>>> the Chinese government encourages this.
>>>
>>> The country with the highest number of cyber attacks is the US and most
>>> of the attacks come from China, Russia, Iran etc. trying to steel
>>> technology and IP.
>>>
>>> And finally don’t forget USA made China the way it is now.
>>> First by allowing China to join WTO and by doing so China was able to
>>> increase trade with US and secondly US and its allies transferring
>>> knowledge to China through joint ventures. They stopped using japan and
>>> Korea since the cost of labor increased in those countries and if the cost
>>> of labor increases in China they will move again.
>>> Br,
>>> Paul.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 21, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> A bit of context: Huawei is the largest telecom equipment company in the
>>> world. It posted more than $107B in revenue last year and operates in more
>>> than 170 countries, that is a threat to the US. They are also the first to
>>> develop 5G technology, which will ensure AI devices function seamlessly,
>>> driverless cars not to crash, machines communicate in real time round the
>>> world and that nearly every device in the world will be wired.
>>>
>>> They just have not risen to the top by accident, they have a whooping
>>> 80k staff dedicated to R&D - Thats half of its staff in R&D..
>>>
>>> This is def a trade war and the US has been spooked, Huawei having its
>>> own OS will be a game changer.
>>>
>>> So are we relying on Global Techs?
>>>
>>> I tend to look at it this way, we rely on what works for us.
>>> Repercussions - well he who pays the piper...
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> E Njoroge Mwangi
>>> Technology| FINTECH | Big Data
>>>
>>> Cell +44 7539372742
>>> Skype: Erick.mwangi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:47 AM Alex Comninos via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for starting the debate.
>>>
>>> I think this is a trade war instigated by a madman
>>>
>>> Definitely there is a reliance on Global tech, but making trade-war
>>> sabre rattling around consumer products is not dealing with the issues
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> Its weird the focus is on Google and Android while Huawei has got
>>> components in telecom networks around the world.
>>>
>>> Its possible for anyone to backdoor components.
>>>
>>> Its easy to throw these accusations around and there is little scrutiny
>>> when pointing at the traditional bad guys. Remember supermicro?
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-hack-story-award/?utm_term=.4c1c59bb4bb5
>>>
>>> There are also western companies doing the same thing.
>>>
>>> I think resorting to not importing tech from other countries is not
>>> viable. The only solution would be very hard: open hardware, transparent
>>> procurement, controls in the supply chain, and much vigilance.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On 21 May 2019, at 04:28, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Listers,
>>> I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic,
>>> I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective.
>>>
>>> Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions
>>> if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance
>>> the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more
>>> questions.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to your views on this.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Kelvin Kariuki
>>> Assistant Lecturer
>>> Multimedia University of Kenya
>>> Faculty of Computing and Information Technology
>>> Twitter Handle: @teacherkaris
>>> Alt email: kkariuki at mmu.ac.ke
>>> Mobile: +2547 29 385 557
>>>
>>> The Lord is my Shepherd
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