[kictanet] Facebook "Community Standards£.

Mon May 6 10:17:35 EAT 2019

Hi Barrack,

Much appreciated.

Warm regards,

Edwin Kiama

Thoughts become things... choose the good ones!
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Social Innovator, Social Justice Entrepreneur, Catalyst, Human Rights
Defender, Social Accountability Champion, Rhize Coach

#DevolutionIsRevolution Champion

The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya)
Ordinary, Fearless Kenyans.

Sauti Ya Wanjiku Social Movement www.sautiyawanjiku.com

https://www.facebook.com/wanjikurevolutionkenya

https://twitter.com/WanjikuRevolt

https://plus.google.com/u/1/+WanjikuMapinduzi/posts

http://www.scribd.com/wmkenya

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change
the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~Margaret Mead

On Mon, 6 May 2019, 10:14 Barrack Otieno, <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mutemi,
>
> This conversation is educative, i think we should keep it here. Mercy
> and George can shed more light on the issues so that we can all learn
> as a Community.
>
> Regards
>
> On 5/6/19, Mutemi wa Kiama via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> wrote:
> > Dear Ebele & FB team,
> >
> > Once again thanks for the prompt response.
> >
> > Am sure Mercy and team are following the conversation though I got a
> > vacation/traveling responder from her email. For the benefit of Listers
> > here who could be having similar concerns, could we keep the conversation
> > here?
> >
> > I appreciate your response vis a vis difficulty moderating global
> cultural
> > attitudes towards skin, genitalia and nudity as well as need to protect
> > children. However, surely the three images I attach here again for your
> > benefit do not fit in that mould?
> >
> > I would really appreciate your advice on what is considered offensive in
> > these three images, especially considering someone in my FB Community
> could
> > have reported them. It will also be useful in guiding my own self
> > moderation.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Edwin Kiama
> >
> > Thoughts become things... choose the good ones!
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Social Innovator, Social Justice Entrepreneur, Catalyst, Human Rights
> > Defender, Social Accountability Champion, Rhize Coach
> >
> > #DevolutionIsRevolution Champion
> >
> > The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya)
> > Ordinary, Fearless Kenyans.
> >
> > Sauti Ya Wanjiku Social Movement www.sautiyawanjiku.com
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/wanjikurevolutionkenya
> >
> > https://twitter.com/WanjikuRevolt
> >
> > https://plus.google.com/u/1/+WanjikuMapinduzi/posts
> >
> > http://www.scribd.com/wmkenya
> >
> >
> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can
> change
> > the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~Margaret Mead
> >
> > On Mon, 6 May 2019, 08:53 Ebele Okobi, <ebeleokobi at fb.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Mercy and George are the right contacts, and you can engage directly,
> >> w/out posting your account details to KICTAnet. She will need the link
> to
> >> the specific pieces of content you are addressing, as well.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mercy and Fadzai can explain in more detail, but it is highly unlikely
> >> that most of the content you are describing was removed as a result of
> >> algorithms. The most likely scenario is that it was reported by a member
> >> of
> >> your own Facebook community. It was then reviewed by one of our human
> >> reviewers, and if the content was fully frontal nudity, was removed as
> >> being against policy. We continue to grapple with how to craft and
> >> implement global policies that address the most harm while allowing the
> >> most speech. As a result of significant risk related to child
> >> exploitation
> >> content and consent, our rules currently do not allow for images of
> >> children’s genitalia. I am a mother, of African children. I recognize
> >> that
> >> my cute picture of my son in the bath is not child exploitation content,
> >> but unfortunately, at scale it is very difficult to apply a rule that
> >> recognizes that nuance, and which would leave up my cute naked African
> >> child and take down that same cute African child in an account that, for
> >> ex, collects images of those cute naked children w/out the consent of
> >> their
> >> parents and posts them on a page for the review of less benign viewers.
> >> Note that this is not actually an “African” problem (many Danish and
> >> French
> >> and Bangladeshi and Fijian mothers/cultures also want to post pictures
> of
> >> naked children) , and also note the implications of allowing only
> African
> >> children to be depicted nude on our platforms while taking down pictures
> >> of
> >> European children.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We have often hosted “ask me anything” and similar events discussing our
> >> content policies. They are useful for helping to give an understanding
> of
> >> the amount of thought that goes into creating and enforcing. It’s
> >> impossible for these global rules to be perfect, and feedback is
> >> welcomed,
> >> but it’s also most useful with an understanding of the context in which
> >> they were created. Mercy would be delighted to explore whether another
> >> one
> >> for this community would be of interest.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In the meantime, these articles are illuminating-there might be a
> >> paywall-alas, nothing I can do about that.
> >>
> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/27/world/facebook-moderators.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-the-team-at-facebook-that-dealt-with-the-christchurch-shooting
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best, Ebele
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From: *Mutemi wa Kiama <eddiekiama at gmail.com>
> >> *Date: *Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:35 AM
> >> *To: *Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com>
> >> *Cc: *Mercy Ndegwa <shikondegwa at fb.com>, George Owuor <gowuor at fb.com>,
> >> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>, Fadzai
> >> Madzingira <fmadzingira at fb.com>
> >> *Subject: *Re: Facebook "Community Standards£.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you Ebele for your quick response. Here is a link to the profile:
> >> https://www.facebook.com/MutemiWaKiama
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Additionally, the FB algorithms also seem no to recognise that some
> >> African nudity is not culturally "inappropriate", eg young boys swimming
> >> in
> >> a river, or the two children I have attached in the original email.
> >>
> >> Warm regards,
> >>
> >> Edwin Kiama
> >>
> >> Thoughts become things... choose the good ones!
> >>
> >>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Social Innovator, Social Justice Entrepreneur, Catalyst, Human Rights
> >> Defender, Social Accountability Champion, Rhize Coach
> >>
> >> #DevolutionIsRevolution Champion
> >>
> >> The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya)
> >> Ordinary, Fearless Kenyans.
> >>
> >> Sauti Ya Wanjiku Social Movement www.sautiyawanjiku.com
> >> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sautiyawanjiku.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=HN9QGITARk6W6QsjdsO0c_5RGVswg_WywLfejq5SFXY&s=6Rvbs65q7oD-9RMFncGgvwbFIyCQebeK_r6vVlmpwaQ&e=
> >
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/wanjikurevolutionkenya
> >>
> >> https://twitter.com/WanjikuRevolt
> >> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_WanjikuRevolt&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=HN9QGITARk6W6QsjdsO0c_5RGVswg_WywLfejq5SFXY&s=BUDlm7M7BKY3odCeKHo6nghaIXxLWVcFdWKeWKPHfEw&e=
> >
> >>
> >> https://plus.google.com/u/1/+WanjikuMapinduzi/posts
> >> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__plus.google.com_u_1_-2BWanjikuMapinduzi_posts&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=HN9QGITARk6W6QsjdsO0c_5RGVswg_WywLfejq5SFXY&s=mcYsYkXxhoCTulZIH9_wUi-NrpACV49-pRAXLk-Ieoc&e=
> >
> >>
> >> http://www.scribd.com/wmkenya
> >> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.scribd.com_wmkenya&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=HN9QGITARk6W6QsjdsO0c_5RGVswg_WywLfejq5SFXY&s=oLwjbDMEm25xLKhRehUafznf8tCGJjIDeXOTN6K-4Cg&e=
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can
> >> change
> >> the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~Margaret Mead
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 4 May 2019, 21:33 Ebele Okobi, <ebeleokobi at fb.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> If you have a question about Facebook, you may always contact us
> >> directly.
> >> I have cc’ed Mercy Ndegwa (Head of Policy for East Africa) and George
> >> Owuor
> >> (Policy Manager for East Africa) for follow up.
> >>
> >> Please send them the link to the account from which content was
> actionned
> >> so that they can escalate. You may need to wait until the work week to
> >> hear
> >> back, unless this is an emergency involving threat to life or similarly
> >> grave circumstances.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The relevance of Cambridge Analytica in this context is unclear, but I
> >> trust you will discuss in detail with my team.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Ebele
> >>
> >> ebele okobi
> >>
> >> public policy director | africa, the middle east & turkey
> >>
> >> facebook inc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 4, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Mutemi wa Kiama <eddiekiama at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> According to Facebook these posts go against "Community Standards"!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Why, because they're critical of GoK and it's leadership, advocate for
> >> African wokeness, or the kids are in ethnic attire?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Whose Community Standards and on what basis? Facebook has taken most of
> >> them down today. Could someone please make me understand!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Or has Cambridge Analytica taken over Facebook? This is censorship in my
> >> book!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Warm regards,
> >>
> >> Edwin Kiama
> >>
> >> Thoughts become things... choose the good ones!
> >>
> >>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Social Innovator, Social Justice Entrepreneur, Catalyst, Human Rights
> >> Defender, Social Accountability Champion, Rhize Coach
> >>
> >> #DevolutionIsRevolution Champion
> >>
> >> The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya)
> >> Ordinary, Fearless Kenyans.
> >>
> >> Sauti Ya Wanjiku Social Movement www.sautiyawanjiku.com
> >> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sautiyawanjiku.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=_QpWpfV90duPcHpdUxCBEuh5HjMF3I5hGVwwLS68tts&s=odMcGIH3ia-uNBOGqxg_RX38tu1KZlcrpvLTRJTcKjM&e=
> >
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/wanjikurevolutionkenya
> >>
> >> https://twitter.com/WanjikuRevolt
> >> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_WanjikuRevolt&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=_QpWpfV90duPcHpdUxCBEuh5HjMF3I5hGVwwLS68tts&s=5c6MWN_m6hjmRZcDeokXbB0l660ulF8Sw1F4bdXY_HQ&e=
> >
> >>
> >> https://plus.google.com/u/1/+WanjikuMapinduzi/posts
> >> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__plus.google.com_u_1_-2BWanjikuMapinduzi_posts&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=_QpWpfV90duPcHpdUxCBEuh5HjMF3I5hGVwwLS68tts&s=WUg7bvVguOmj2LTmKuGosg_KDR23L5lHKRQC80MYBE4&e=
> >
> >>
> >> http://www.scribd.com/wmkenya
> >> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.scribd.com_wmkenya&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=_QpWpfV90duPcHpdUxCBEuh5HjMF3I5hGVwwLS68tts&s=wZ2Kb-C7HwI2QDXCKJBzo5fGL_Zgs3ZBIHjg6UUuLPE&e=
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can
> >> change
> >> the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~Margaret Mead
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> --
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> +254733206359
> Skype: barrack.otieno
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