[kictanet] [thoughts & predictions] Christchurch Call

Thu Apr 25 06:46:58 EAT 2019

Patrick

Your approach to this is a bit offensive. And I take exception to it.

*"... Did really you read it? :-)" *

In your attempt to address issues you make assumptions that are inaccurate.
I'm not saying that BigTech is not doing anything wrong. I'm saying that
there are better ways of going about it. That article by Yale is a good
example. It's critical but it offers solutions to address them in a
sober manner. Your approach is to abuse. That is what I take exception
with. This platform is about engaging, calling out ills yes but in a manner
that is respectful and being part of the solution.

And by the way, if someone abuses another, does it mean we follow their
example? This reference to the British MPs and others is disingenuous, to
say the least.

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On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 6:37 AM Patrick A. M. Maina <pmaina2000 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Ali,
>
> You should see what the UK Parliament, Journalists and top university
> professors have been saying (with global media coverage). I have attached
> some links (but you can google for more).
>
> Perhaps we should ask why public-interest voices from nearly the entire
> world seems to perceive big tech modus operandi as analogous to the Mafia /
> Gangsters.
>
> Btw, the "Amazon’s Antitrust Paradox" article you suggested is seriously
> anti-bigtech and does not support your arguments. It actually supports what
> I have been saying by calling for new approaches for governing dominant
> platforms. Did really you read it? :-)
>
> Some links:
>
> 1. British MPs term Facebook 'digital gangsters' in scathing report
>
> https://www.nation.co.ke/news/world/British-MPs-Facebook-digital-gangsters/1068-4987426-7ey0n8/index.html
>
> 2. MIT Technology review article the "G-MAFIA" portmanteau is used by the
> interviewee (an NYU professor) to refer to big tech.
>
> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613010/why-ai-is-a-threat-to-democracyand-what-we-can-do-to-stop-it/
>
> 3. Amazon’s Antitrust Paradox
> https://www.yalelawjournal.org/note/amazons-antitrust-paradox
>
> Best Regards,
> Patrick.
>
> Patrick A. M. Maina
> [Cross-domain Innovator | Public Policy Analyst - Indigenous Innovations]
>
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2019, 6:03:44 AM GMT+3, Ali Hussein <
> ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
>
> Patrick
>
> This is not a personal attack. It is an observation. Mine was to point out
> that technology is not to blame here. It is simply the application of it.
> Humans are at the centre of all ills.
>
> As to pointing out specifics - Where do I start my brother? :-)
>
> Let me pick one sentence:-
>
> *"Perhaps an apt analogy for this upcoming summit is FBI/Interpol calling
> the Mafia for a brainstorm on how to solve/reduce organized crime. The
> outcome is fairly predictable."*
>
> Are we now comparing Big Tech with the Mafia? Or have I taken your
> sentence out of context? I just feel that we are turning this list into a
> concerted attack machine for anything big, foreign, government etc. I'd
> rather we address issues in a more balanced way, offer solutions and engage
> positively. This, after all is the essence of Multi-Stakeholderism. I'm not
> defending anyone here and I have sometimes been at the forefront of
> attacking what I feel is unjust.
>
> Let us be circumspect on how we use the power we have lest we shut out the
> ones we truly want to hear our pleas and concerns.
>
> My two cents.
>
> *Ali Hussein*
>
> *Principal*
>
> *AHK & Associates*
>
>
>
> Tel: +254 713 601113
>
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>
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>
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>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 5:52 AM Patrick A. M. Maina <pmaina2000 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Good morning Ali,
>
> Oh my... I have not blamed "everything" on Big tech. Unless the meaning of
> the word has changed. :-D
>
> If you can highlight the sections/paragraphs/ideas where I have gone
> "overboard" and share your thoughts on why they are overboard, I will
> certainly consider your inputs for next time.
>
> I don't understand the "slay queen" comment... haha are you fully awake
> Sir?
>
> Rather than relying on sweeping generalizations and/or unwarranted
> ad-hominem attacks, I welcome you to offer a well reasoned rebuttal to
> balance the ideas that you feel are one sided and to offer a different
> perspective. It will certainly enrich the discussion!
>
> Have a great day!
> Patrick.
>
> Patrick A. M. Maina
> [Cross-domain Innovator | Public Policy Analyst - Indigenous Innovations]
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2019, 5:14:35 AM GMT+3, Ali Hussein <
> ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
>
> Patrick
>
> Have we reached the stage now to blame EVERYTHING on #BigTech? Surely
> humanity has a role to play in this chaos that is the world today?
>
> I'm all for tighter regulation and holding platforms responsible but I
> think you are going overboard?
>
> Reigning in sharing on social media wouldn't stop ISIS, the CIA, Mossad
> and the rest of them from doing what they do in the name of whatever God
> they worship or for that matter a Slay Queen posting her status on her
> facebook as 'Complicated'.
>
> Let's address these issues in a balanced way and not throw the baby with
> the bath water. Reading Amazon's Anti-Trust Paradox
> <https://www.yalelawjournal.org/note/amazons-antitrust-paradox> got me
> thinking. Perhaps worth your while to look at it too. One thing I've learnt
> in this world is that not everything is black and white, shades of grey are
> usually the nome and pragmatism is not a bad thing at all.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Regards
>
> *Ali Hussein*
>
> *Principal*
>
> *AHK & Associates*
>
>
>
> Tel: +254 713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
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>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>
>
> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
>
> Chiromo Road, Westlands,
>
> Nairobi, Kenya.
>
> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
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>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 4:54 AM Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Dear Alex, Listers,
>
> Perhaps an apt analogy for this upcoming summit is FBI/Interpol calling
> the Mafia for a brainstorm on how to solve/reduce organized crime. The
> outcome is fairly predictable.
>
> If the platforms could offer a solution, it would have been implemented by
> now. They don't have it because the problem is deeply woven into their
> product. To solve the problem they have to dismantle their core business
> model or wait until competitors emerge with better and safer business
> models (which they can then rush to copy - leveraging their existing scale
> and resources).
>
> This entanglement was aptly captured by UK lawmakers (link below) when
> they slammed social media platform proposals as "bandaids on systemic
> problems" while asserting that "extremists are using the services exactly
> as they were meant to be used: to spread and share content, ignite
> passions, and give everyone a platform."
>
> The social media companies know regulations are imminent and they want to
> influence them in ways that will suit them. One strategy that they are
> using is calling for taxpayer subsidized partnerships with governments -
> despite their notoriety for going to great lengths to avoid paying their
> share of taxes in most countries. The audacity behind such suggestions is
> simply mind boggling! When corporations aggressively minimize or avoid
> their share of taxes, it is ordinary people (those who can't hire armies of
> tax/legal experts or leverage cross-border tax treaties) who end up bearing
> the brunt of financing government expenditure. This lowers disposable
> income, which contributes to increased hardship that could, over time,
> contribute (in part) to the kind of frustration, and anger, that makes
> young persons vulnerable to radicalization by extremists.
>
> Social media platforms could be inadvertently highlighting a bigger
> societal problem that has been simmering in the background. Is there a link
> between the increasing corporate efficiencies (doing more with less, which
> results in suppressed wages and job losses) and the rise in "unexplained"
> extremism (people just snapping and going berserk)? What if the problem is
> bigger than social media? What if it goes right to the heart of capitalism
> as an ideology and its present day flavor? I think this is an area that
> needs more analysis and research.
>
> I am trying hard to find a sense of hope/optimism for the summit but it
> has all the makings of a grand PR show for public appeasement and closure,
> so that things can quickly go back to "normal". Keeping in mind that NZ is
> a 5-eyes alliance member and very likely has been leveraging the same
> social media platforms for intelligence gathering - so it is a meeting of
> collaborators (not adversaries).
>
> I will even try to "predict" most (if not all) of the recommendations:
>
> 1. A universal regulator body to be proposed, with multilateral membership
> but funded by the platforms, preferably based in New York or Carlifornia
> (or worst case in Brussels).
>
> 2. The regulator will be tasked with setting "global rules" whose dual
> purpose will be to narrow the scope of social responsibility for platforms
> owners by providing them with an easy-button legal checklist that they can
> comply with in order to absolve themselves from blame / consequences of
> platform misuse.
>
> These rules will be easy for billion-dollar companies (which grew without
> rules) to comply with - but will make it prohibitively expensive for new
> entrants (startups or open source, not-for profit alternative platforms)
> who might offer better (safer) social media alternatives, to enter the pace
> - thus unfairly entrenching the incumbents' dominance and monopoly.
>
> This "global rules" will remove the need for cultural contextualization -
> thus hitting the culturally heterogeneous global south much harder as
> Governments will have to bear the burden of local content moderation on
> such platforms. This could lead to more internet shutdowns as governments
> resort to the trusted "I have hammer, every problem is nail" approach.
>
> 3. Phrases like "a global problem that needs a global solution" will be
> repeated often to try diffuse institutional responsibility away from
> platforms and into abstract non-entities.
>
> 4. Taxpayer subsidized community policing will be proposed - to pass the
> buck of monitoring content on their platforms to the public. "It is a
> community platform". However, any proposal about sharing profits or
> allocating platform ownership within the community will strictly not be
> entertained (because that is communism, and evil). Only responsibility and
> blame can/should be shared communally.
>
> 5. Restricted freedoms (e.g. censorship) will be entertained as an option.
> Democratization of publishing will be challenged in favor of centralized
> models that can be monitored and/or controlled by elites.
>
> 6. Platforms shall seek legitimacy as global custodians and judges of
> "truth" and "real news" (MSM 2.0).
>
> 7. Taxpayer funded subsidies will be sought (worded as "partnerships" with
> government agencies - which means diverting government resources from
> other uses like healthcare, education and other essential services that
> taxpayers need, so as to help solve problems created or amplified by
> companies that don't pay - or pay much lower proportionate taxes).
>
> 8. It will be suggested that private contract provisions ought to
> supersede higher (e.g. criminal) laws e.g. Platforms will seek
> legitimization of their self-imposed power (see link below) to decide which
> crimes should be reported to authorities and which ones shouldn't.
>
> The world can expect confident assurances that all parties are working
> relentlessly to solve this "global" problem and this will be backed by
> impressive numbers such as tens of thousands of moderation teams and big
> budgets. But the platform leaders will probably omit any discussions about:
>
> a. The health impact of (and ethical issues around) extreme content on
> moderation employees;
>
> b. The practice where they avoid directly hiring moderation teams (denying
> them brand prestige on CVs and possibly full staff benefits);
>
> c. Allegations that their moderation teams are paid much lower wages than
> the engineers who create the problem algorithms but never have to deal with
> the consequences;
>
> d. Allegations that moderators work under callous managers / hostile
> conditions while doing what is possibly the worst job on earth;
>
> e. That moderators are constantly at risk that their traumatic job could
> cause long term damage their mental health - possibly denying them a chance
> at decent future income; and
>
> f. That there is unlikely to be any binding commitment to lifelong follow
> up with former moderation employees - to ensure moderation trauma does not
> result in long term psychological or economic suffering.
>
> The reality of our 21st century world is that global internet platforms
> have become tools that governments rely on for surveillance, while
> politicians depend on them for image and popularity management. Further,
> the negative events that these platforms amplify, can yield certain policy
> / political outcomes that could be aligned with the interests of corrupt
> elites and/or affiliated corporations.
>
> Indeed there seems to be a growing symbiotism between global platform
> owners and ruling elites that was previously the preserve of Mainstream
> Media (MSM) - as the elites learn how to leverage these new platforms for
> their own gain. This raises the risk that technology platforms will
> continue to be used, in increasingly sophisticated ways, for global
> perversion of democratic ideals, violation of human rights and increased
> restriction of personal freedoms.
>
> *Links:*
>
> 1. UK Lawmakers slam social media for facilitating extremism
>
> https://mashable.com/article/facebook-youtube-twitter-uk-hearing-christchurch/
>
> 2. A different perspective, focusing on (apparently intentional) failure
> by platforms to report crimes.
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/24/mps-criticise-tech-giants-for-failure-to-report-criminal-posts-twitter-facebook-google-youtube
>
> Brgds,
> Patrick.
>
> Patrick A. M. Maina
> [Cross-domain Innovator | Public Policy Analyst - Indigenous Innovations]
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2019, 5:30:58 PM GMT+3, Alex Comninos via kictanet
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>
> Dear All
>
> I am wondering lister thoughts on the "Christchurch Call”
>
> Where does Africa and the South stand in these processes, how will it
> affect us? What principles would we like to see in such a call? (If we
> would like to see it at all)
>
> This is happening in the midst of so many other global events, many
> tragic, as well as legislative and regulatory processes/calls on/for social
> media platform moderation and regulation.
>
> [article pasted below] its worth following the link to watch the video too.
>
>
> The devil will be in the detail of the 'Christchurch Call’
> By Tom Pullar, Stuff New Zealand
>
>
> https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112230966/the-devil-will-be-in-the-detail-of-the-christchurch-call
>
> ANALYSIS: World leaders and technology companies will probably reach some
> sort of accord on social media and online extremism when they meet in Paris
> next month.
>
> But the devil will be in the detail of the agreement they reach, suggests
> Colin Gavaghan, director of the Centre for Law and Policy in Emerging
> Technologies at Otago University.
>
> Normally, when politicians attend international summits, the text of the
> agreements they sign is agreed beforehand and then ratified at the meeting,
> rather than actually being negotiated there.
>
> The summit in Paris on May 15 hosted by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and
> French President Emmanuel Macron will be a little different from most, in
> that representatives from many the world's biggest technology companies,
> Google, Microsoft, Facebook and Twitter will be among the participants.
>
> There are clues as to what it will contain.
>
> A spokesman for Ardern said the Government wanted the text to set out
> "parameters or actions where countries and companies agree to take action".
>
> He also said the Government wanted the agreement to be "reasonably
> specific rather than too high level".
>
> But Ardern cautioned that the Christchurch Call would not amount to a
> "draft set of regulations" that social media companies would need to follow.
>
> She also suggested that the focus would be on trying to prevent footage
> from terrorist attacks being shared online, rather than on the distribution
> of extremist content more generally.
>
> "This is not about freedom of expression. This is about preventing
> violence and extremism and terrorism online," she explained.
>
> "I don't think anyone would argue the terrorist on March 15 had a right to
> live stream the murder of 50 people. That is what this call is very
> specifically focused on."
>
> Agreeing concrete steps to achieve even that narrow goal would be
> incredibly hard.
>
> Technology experts appear in agreement that the technology does yet not
> exist that could have automatically identified the live stream of
> Christchurch shootings as a terrorist atrocity while it was taking place
> and being streamed live online.
>
> There is also no need to use a large social media service, or even
> live-streaming at all, to distribute a video.
>
> While Facebook, YouTube and Twitter have used video and audio-matching
> technology to gradually rid their websites of copies of the Christchurch
> video, it was also being distributed by people who simply posted links to
> it – hosted on nefarious websites – in their social media posts.
>
> Just so long as people can set up websites and post content to the
> internet anonymously, it is hard to see how that could be prevented.
>
> Gavaghan cautions the more people that are brought to the table, the more
> "general and vague" international agreements tend to be.
>
> The risk, he argues, is you can end up with texts that are pitched at such
> a level that "no-one could disagree with them" but which don't tend to mean
> anything in practice.
>
> The role, if any, of the United States in the summit will be something to
> watch for, he says.
>
> "They take their First Amendment considerations very seriously indeed, and
> that has been a real bone of contention between the EU and US-based
> companies."
>
> But Ardern said the fact that the problem was "extremely difficult" was
> not a reason not try to find a solution and many would agree with that.
>
> Sensibly, she has also made it clear upfront that she believes the summit
> should be the start of a conversation rather than the end of one.
>
> The fact that it appears representatives from Google, Facebook, Microsoft
> and Twitter will attend the summit is also encouraging.
>
> That may be partly because they want to shift responsibility for solving
> the Christchurch-shooting problem from their businesses to governments and
> regulators.
>
> But they do appear to have recognised that the game has changed.
>
> The sheer novelty of the summit hosted by the two young politicians should
> save it from any risk of obscurity.
>
> If they do look at the broader issue of social media platforms being used
> to propagate extremist views more generally, then the practical challenges
> are likely to multiply.
>
> Material promoted by terrorist organisations would already be illegal in
> most countries, Gavaghan says. "They are quite an easy target to identify
> and get shot of."
>
> But the boundary between less extremist content and legitimate political
> views would inevitably be hard to define, he argues.
>
> "A lot of the casual everyday normalisation of racism and extremist views
> comes in at a level probably far below anyone's hate speech laws.
>
> "The daily output from the Daily Mail and the Express and the Sun probably
> does a lot more to normalise racism and anti-immigrant views than some of
> the really extremist stuff, but what can you do? It is not plausible to ban
> that.”
>
> That doesn't mean the landscape facing social media isn't, or should
> change, he believes.
>
> "The days when the likes of YouTube and Facebook could take the view that
> they are simply a neutral platform for other's people content and not a
> publisher – that has gone.
>
> "But the question is, what is it reasonable to expect them to do?"
>
> Stuff
>
> --
> Alex Comninos
>
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