[kictanet] Telcos regulator seeks to monitor WhatsApp + Plenipot Issues (Kenya's Position)

Tue Nov 6 16:04:23 EAT 2018

Noted. Thanks.

*Apart from this interesting assertion:*

*..... *b)    that a major proportion of the revenues of operators in
developing countries goes towards funding universal service obligations;

There is the proposed requirement below that will likely result in some
very animated discussions:

".. to submit recommendations on the supervision of the activities of OTT
operators and on [models for revenue sharing between.....] "

Unlike telcos, radio & TV broadcast networks seem to have addressed the
issue through Set Top Boxes/decoders, conditional access and the subscriber
management systems. Would this be a similar model to what Telcos would use
to collect 'their share' of revenue?

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, 15:22 Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke wrote:

> Listers
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> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 2:50 PM Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
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>> Chief
>>
>> CA should synthesize that for us bana... :-) Not sure where to start
>> boss..
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>> Regards
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>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 2:38 PM Wainaina Mungai via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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>>> See African Common Proposals at
>>> https://www.itu.int/md/T13-WTSA.16-C-0042/en
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rachel
>>>>
>>>> How about you start by telling us what the African Common Proposals
>>>> are?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
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>>>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 2:20 PM Rachel Alwaa via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Barrack,
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed Kenya is aligned to the African Common proposals but I am not
>>>>> aware of any resolution that focuses on the regulation of the internet.
>>>>> Could you share the specific resolution that proposes to do what you are
>>>>> alleging, then we can respond appropriately?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Rachel
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Nov 5, 2018, at 20:58, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <
>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Greetings Mr. Wambua,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Many thanks for your prompt and elaborate responses as always. Permit
>>>>> > me to behave like a mosquito and ask another question before we put
>>>>> > the matter to rest. I was chatting with a friend who passed by the
>>>>> > Plenipot in Dubai. I understand African Governments are unanimous
>>>>> > about the need to regulate the Internet and are making arrangements
>>>>> to
>>>>> > conduct similar studies, is this a correct position?. What is Kenya's
>>>>> > position on Internet Regulation once again has it changed?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Congratulations to the Kenyan delegation for bagging another chance
>>>>> to
>>>>> > seat on the ITU Council.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Best Regards
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 11/2/18, Wambua, Christopher via kictanet
>>>>> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> >> Listers
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> For purposes of clarity on the objects of the tender in question,
>>>>> I wish to
>>>>> >> refer listers to  the public tender document which is available on
>>>>> CA’s
>>>>> >> website at
>>>>> >>
>>>>> https://ca.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Consultancy-Services-For-The-Study-On-Over-The-Top-OTTs-Technologies-Services-In-Kenya.pdf
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> In brief, the Authority, under its strategic objective of enabling
>>>>> >> widespread deployment of infrastructure and services through
>>>>> promotion of
>>>>> >> new and emerging technologies, plans to undertake a study to
>>>>> determine the
>>>>> >> regulatory mechanisms that can be employed to cater for new and
>>>>> emerging
>>>>> >> areas with specific focus on over the top services.  The consultant
>>>>> shall be
>>>>> >> expected to propose the regulatory approach that the Authority can
>>>>> take in
>>>>> >> respect to OTTs. CA takes this opportunity to invite listers who
>>>>> meet the
>>>>> >> requirements set out in the tender documents to submit their bids
>>>>> by 14th
>>>>> >> November 2018.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> CA wishes to assure listers that we have not interest whatsoever in
>>>>> snooping
>>>>> >> into your WhatsApp conversations as that would be against the
>>>>> spirit and
>>>>> >> letter of the constitution. We have however noted that the
>>>>> headlines on the
>>>>> >> articles on this tender are misleading, and the Authority is taking
>>>>> up this
>>>>> >> matter with the respective editors.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I hope this clarification puts this matter to rest.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Regards
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Christopher Wambua
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Ag. Director/Consumer & Public Affairs | Consumer and Public Affairs
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> From: kictanet
>>>>> >> <kictanet-bounces+wambua=ca.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:
>>>>> kictanet-bounces+wambua=ca.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
>>>>> >> on behalf of KICTAnet Discussions
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>>>>> >> Reply-To: KICTAnet Discussions
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Date: Friday, 2 November 2018 at 05:07
>>>>> >> To: Christopher Wambua <wambua at ca.go.ke<mailto:wambua at ca.go.ke>>
>>>>> >> Cc: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke<mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke>>
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Telcos regulator seeks to monitor WhatsApp
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> @GG
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks for sharing. I’m curious as to what the world is coming to.
>>>>> Everyone
>>>>> >> wants to snoop and regulate. Can the CA tell us what’s the major
>>>>> value
>>>>> >> proposition to increasing  snooping on us?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Regulators need to spend more time enabling the sector they are
>>>>> supposed to
>>>>> >> grow and the CA has really been progressive in many ways. Once in a
>>>>> while
>>>>> >> though they try to go back to the bad old KANU days. The onus is on
>>>>> us to
>>>>> >> remind them that Kenyans shut that door kitambo sana.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Ali Hussein
>>>>> >> Principal
>>>>> >> AHK & Associates
>>>>> >> +254 0713 601113
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act
>>>>> but a
>>>>> >> habit."  ~ Aristotle
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 1 Nov 2018, at 10:57 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet
>>>>> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Kenya is considering regulating online services such as WhatsApp
>>>>> and Skype
>>>>> >> in a radical move that could force the internet-based service
>>>>> providers to
>>>>> >> share data with the government.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The Communications Authority of Kenya (CA) is in search of a
>>>>> consultant to
>>>>> >> study and determine how the so-called over-the-top services (OTTS)
>>>>> operated
>>>>> >> by groups such as Facebook, which runs WhatsApp, and Skype owner
>>>>> Microsoft,
>>>>> >> could be regulated.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Read on:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Telcos-regulator-seeks-to-monitor-WhatsApp/996-4833020-fn9u7s/index.html
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best regards
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Githaiga, Grace
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Co-Convenor
>>>>> >> Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet)
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>>>>> >> Tel: 254722701495
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "Change only happens when ordinary people get involved, get engaged
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>>>>> >> together to demand it. I am asking you to believe. Not in my
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>>>>> >> bring about change – but in yours"---Barrack Obama.
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