[kictanet] The case for and against #deletefacebook

Wed Mar 28 12:10:13 EAT 2018

Ebele,

Thanks for your update, I will check on the contacts settings as you have
indicated.

I still think though some of the choices we make are not very *clearly*
spelt out when we make them. For instance, I can understand the need to
sync my contacts, but *not* my call & sms history! And this is especially
so for those of use (most of us?) who use our phones for both personal &
official business.

My recommendation, have at least three settings clearly indicating what you
would use them for, if at all!
1. Sync contacts
2. Sync Call records (***)
3. Sync SMS & Messages (***)

As regards the photos this is what happen(s) / happened. Normally I would
not give FB access to my photos.However, at some point I needed to upload a
certain specific photo on to some FB markets that I participate in.

Shortly as I was still in the market and as I was scrolling though my
newsfeed I started seeing a number of family photos that I had taken
earlier, already uploaded but kind of greyed out, with FB asking me whether
I wanted to share them.

That is very disconcerting!

Again, if a user gives access to his photo library for a *single* photo,
that should not mean *all* my photos are auto-uploaded to FB, then FB
prompts me to share them...

My recommendation would be to have at least two settings:
1. Upload a single photo
2. Auto- Upload *ALL* my photos

And, I don't consider myself a *pro* FB user, it may very well be that
indeed this is already covered so thanks for being our 'customer-care',
appreciate :-)

Regards

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com> wrote:

> Hello!
>
>
>
> Answers below-for your first question, it’s VERY important to clarify that
> Facebook does not “pick up” your contacts. You have to expressly agree to
> upload your contacts. For example, I have never agreed to this, so my
> contacts have never been uploaded. If you change your mind about the
> permission you have given, or if you accidentally gave permission, please
> see below for how to opt back out. Note that this feature is “opt-in”, so
> express agreement is required for it to be happening.
>
>
>
> That is the same for the photographs, so can you please clarify your
> question? Are you saying that you granted permission for specific photos to
> be posted on your page, and now you want to delete them? Facebook does not
> automatically upload any photographs to your page.
>
>
>
>    1. Call and text history logging is part of an opt-in feature for
>    people using Messenger or Facebook Lite on Android. This helps you find and
>    stay connected with the people you care about, and provides you with a
>    better experience across Facebook. People have to expressly agree to use
>    this feature. If, at any time, they no longer wish to use this feature they
>    can turn it off in settings
>    <https://www.facebook.com/help/838237596230667>, or here
>    <https://www.facebook.com/help/fblite/355489824655936> for Facebook
>    Lite users, and all previously shared call and text history shared via that
>    app is deleted. While we receive certain permissions from Android,
>    uploading this information has always been opt-in only.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
> *Date: *Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 5:37 PM
> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Cc: *Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] The case for and against #deletefacebook
>
>
>
> Ebele,
>
>
>
> Good to see FB represented here.
>
>
>
> Got two questions:
>
> 1. Supposing FB has picked up my contacts and SMS and I would like to
> delete any prior data that has been uploaded, how would I go about that?
>
>
>
> 2. I also noticed that when I allow FB contacts to my PhotoGallery on
> Android for purposes of being able to select pictures to upload, by
> default, it then would upload *all* new pictures taken and ask me whether
> I'd like to share them on my timeline.
>
> Is there a way to also delete any such content that FB has picked from my
> phone and auto-uploaded?
>
>
>
> Rgds
>
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018, 19:30 Ebele Okobi via kictanet, <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> This is useful context, below. Please do let me know if there are
> additional questions or concerns. I do appreciate how significant an issue
> this is, and am happy to answer questions and relay concerns internally.
>
>
>
> https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/03/fact-check-your-call-and-sms-history/
>
> March 25, 2018
> Fact Check: Your Call and SMS History
>
> You may have seen some recent reports that Facebook has been logging
> people’s call and SMS (text) history without their permission.
>
> This is not the case.
> Opt-in features in Facebook Lite and Messenger
>
> Call and text history logging is part of an opt-in feature for people
> using Messenger or Facebook Lite on Android. This helps you find and stay
> connected with the people you care about, and provides you with a better
> experience across Facebook. People have to expressly agree to use this
> feature. If, at any time, they no longer wish to use this feature they can
> turn it off in settings <https://www.facebook.com/help/838237596230667>,
> or here <https://www.facebook.com/help/fblite/355489824655936> for
> Facebook Lite users, and all previously shared call and text history shared
> via that app is deleted. While we receive certain permissions from Android,
> uploading this information has always been opt-in only.
>
> We introduced this feature for Android users a couple of years ago.
> Contact importers are fairly common among social apps and services as a way
> to more easily find the people you want to connect with. This was first
> introduced in Messenger in 2015, and later offered as an option in Facebook
> Lite, a lightweight version of Facebook for Android.
> How it works
>
> When you sign up for Messenger or Facebook Lite on Android, or log into
> Messenger on an Android device, you are given the option to continuously
> upload your contacts as well as your call and text history. For Messenger,
> you can either turn it on, choose ‘learn more’ or ‘not now’. On Facebook
> Lite, the options are to turn it on or ‘skip’. If you chose to turn this
> feature on, we will begin to continuously log this information, which can
> be downloaded at any time using the Download Your Information tool
> <https://www.facebook.com/help/131112897028467?helpref=page_content>.
>
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> If, at any point, you no longer wish to continuously upload this
> information, you can easily turn this feature off in your settings
> <https://www.facebook.com/help/838237596230667>. You can also turn off
> continuous call and text history logging while keeping contact uploading
> enabled. You can also go to this page
> <https://www.facebook.com/mobile/messenger/contacts/> to see which
> contacts you have uploaded from Messenger, and you can delete all contact
> information you’ve uploaded from that app should you choose.
> We never sell this data, and this feature does not collect the content of
> your text messages or calls
>
> When this feature is enabled, uploading your contacts also allows us to
> use information like when a call or text was made or received. This feature
> does not collect the content of your calls or text messages. Your
> information is securely stored and we do not sell this information to third
> parties. You are always in control of the information you share with
> Facebook.
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2018, at 3:29 PM, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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> Facebook harvested phone call and text data from Android users
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bigthink.com_news_facebook-2Dhas-2Deven-2Dmore-2Dinformation-2Don-2Deverybody-2Dthan-2Dwe-2Dthought&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=cXuykyCaIJqL64MDFT1Ncv3XTYaa8_rygQByuP77tLA&s=Q0NQKZipOuYa3DG_dMSi0dcSZwBcuCwoGxtkjBJLjko&e=>
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> Facebook harvested phone call and text data from Android users
>
> Brandon A. Weber
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> Have an Android phone or device? You might want to read this.
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> BIGTHINK might have thoughts similar to your said friend.
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> Facebook scraped call, text message data for years from Android phones
> [Updated]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__arstechnica.com_information-2Dtechnology_2018_03_facebook-2Dscraped-2Dcall-2Dtext-2Dmessage-2Ddata-2Dfor-2Dyears-2Dfrom-2Dandroid-2Dphones_&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=cXuykyCaIJqL64MDFT1Ncv3XTYaa8_rygQByuP77tLA&s=8leTwm8eSfOtCBxtSR8P6cIjt_GGx4UR3Tq0E0SfTTA&e=>
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> Facebook scraped call, text message data for years from Android phones [...
>
> Maybe check your data archive to see if Facebook’s algorithms know who you
> called.
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> Factual or otherwise? Ars Technica makes reference to an FB rejoiner.
>
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> It should not be lost that even the most basic loyalty card is for
> decision making to serve you the customer better - data by the issuer.
>
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> Be blessed.
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> Regards/Wangari
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> Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on
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> On Monday, 26 March 2018, 08:52:17 GMT+3, Timothy- Coach- Oriedo via
> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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> See my views from a data science, business model and regulatory
> perspective
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> Data Breach? What Breach- A Watershed Moment
> https://www.linkedin.com/ pulse/data-breach-what-breach-
> watershed-moment-big-data- scientist
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> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Ali,
>
> Facebook was built for and is meant for *sharing*! With time, I have seen
> FB make us want to share more and more, recommend to us 'friends' at every
> turn and inevitably there will be a clash between the sharing and our
> privacy!
>
> Also, there was a time our Newsfeeds were very clean, you'd actually get
> to know what your friends were upto, but I do find its now looking
> unrecognizable; its become this very noisy marketplace! Or maybe I am
> gettitng old :-)
>
>
> Privacy unfortunately plays 2nd fiddle to sharing. For me, the straw that
> broke the proverbial camels back is seeing photos that I had taken on my
> phone already auto-uploaded and semi-shared in my timeline, and with an
> absent minded click, I would have shared all on the my timeline!
>
> I got the app off my phone immediately, but kept the web desktop as I do
> continue to use it once in a while.
>
> I have also seen that FB has been collecting all our Phone records, calls
> + SMS as written about on Verge...
> https://www.theverge.com/2018/ 3/25/17160944/facebook-call-
> history-sms-data-collection- android
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theverge.com_2018_3_25_17160944_facebook-2Dcall-2Dhistory-2Dsms-2Ddata-2Dcollection-2Dandroid&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=cXuykyCaIJqL64MDFT1Ncv3XTYaa8_rygQByuP77tLA&s=BJA6pHdAXSfUjg6JVCjo5_wQb4kUWhUO9rU_WMv7gB8&e=>
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> So, I guess if you're still using FB on Android, you gotta be 'strong'!
>
> P.S
>
> Does FB and other Apps synchronize their data policies with those of the
> users home country?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:04 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
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> Listers
>
>
>
> Hope you all had a great weekend. Here’s an interesting article on the
> ongoing Facebook fallout.
>
>
>
> Excerpt:-
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> I spent the evening with a friend who is far bolder than me. Having
> deactivated his Facebook
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> three years ago, he upped the ante this week by deleting his Instagram
> account. Even more drastically, he plans officially to *delete* his
> long-dormant Facebook account—the last vestige of his serfhood in Mr.
> Zuckerberg’s fiefdom—sometime very soon, after his girlfriend has had an
> opportunity to port its photos elsewhere. (He prefers offline storage.)
>
>
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> Read on:-
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