[kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki

Mon Apr 30 19:55:45 EAT 2018

Andrew,

Thanks for the history class. By religion I meant the Abrahamic religions;
namely Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

I am yet to see any text from the above mentioned condoning homosexuality.

Twahir

On Apr 30, 2018 16:17, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
wrote:

Actually – there are many religions that have no issue with homosexuality.

Buddhism makes no distinction between hetrosexual or homosexual relations

The wiccan religion has a text that says “all acts of love and pleasure are
my rituals”

Hinduism makes no distinction (and in 2009 the Hindu Council UK explicity
stated this)

The Vedas religious texts even go so far as to refer to people in a third
gender that is neither male nor female.

In Sikhism marriage is seen as a union of souls, and the soul is seen as
genderless.

The list goes on and on and on – so sorry – your stance that no religion
supports LGBT relationships as ok – is factually incorrect.

Andrew

*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston=
liquidtelecom.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Twahir Hussein
Kassim via kictanet
*Sent:* 30 April 2018 15:55
*To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
*Cc:* Twahir Hussein Kassim <twahir at hussein.me.ke>

*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki

Reading from the preamble to the constitution, I would like to give my
*thoughts* below within the text of the constitution copied from a previous
email

*CONSTITUTION OF KENYA*

PREAMBLE
*ACKNOWLEDGING *the supremacy of the Almighty God of all creation:

*My belief is that this is a declaration within the constitution that the
supremacy of The Almighty is ABOVE ALL. I doubt if there is any religion
that accepts LGBT relationships to be fine. Going back to the scripts we
will NOTE a whole nation being destroyed due to this very act. Whether
Kenya has a state religion or not GAY relations shouldn't be ok. *

*HONOURING *those who heroically struggled to bring freedom and justice to
our land:

*PROUD *of our ethnic, cultural and religious diversity, and determined to
live in peace and unity as one indivisible sovereign nation:

*Proud of ethnic diversity, none of our diverse culture agree with this
act. Am not refuting that it has been practised for donkey years; however
NEVER has it been FORCED DOWN our throats to accept it as a norm. We did
interact with gays before but they were not openly blatantly plying their
trade. This only started when the west started pushing.*

*There is a LINE we as a people MUST DRAW! Come on guys!*

*RESPECTFUL *of the environment, which is our heritage, and determined to
sustain it for the benefit of future generations:

*COMMITTED *to nurturing and protecting the well-being of the individual,
the family, communities and the nation:

*RECOGNISING *the aspirations of all Kenyans for a government based on the
essential values of human rights, equality, freedom, democracy, social
justice and the rule of law:

* If we play the HUMAN RIGHT card, then why arrest a consenting adult who
chooses to commit suicide? Isn't it his right to live?*

*Freedom comes with responsibility and most of all we OWE it to the
generations to come to maintain a MORAL FABRIC that reflects us as a
people! LGBT doesn't stand the test of morality if it goes against the very
supreme being that we claim to acknowledge!*

*EXERCISING *our sovereign and inalienable right to determine the form of
governance of our country and having participated fully in the making of
this Constitution:

*ADOPT, ENACT *and give this Constitution to ourselves and to our future
generations.

GOD BLESS KENYA

*These are my opinions, I don't mean to disrespect anyone. *

*Twahir*

On Apr 30, 2018 15:26, "Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

@Alex

I am open to any introduction and as I said the issue of morality is
subjective and conscience based. You may see gay relationship as okay and
right from your perspective. However, to another person, it may be immoral
depending on one's beliefs.

The board has also given the reasons behind the ban.

Regards

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Comninos

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:09 PM
To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Cc: ldinga at managecom.co.ke
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki

@Lawrence

Why is love between two consenting non-abusive people a morality issue?

Please explain?

There are many issues of morality in relationships, but what does the
sexual orientation of the partners have to do with anything?

So basically you are saying being gay is immoral, it would be nice if you
could back that up without resorting to the first testament.

Once again, I am more than willing to introduce you to my LGBT friends and
their morality. If you would like to be introduced and learn something,
contact me.

Kindly,
Alex
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 14:05, Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Religion a side I think this is an issue of morality but I agree,
morality can be subjective and depends on one’s conscience.

> Regards

> From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:50 PM
> To: ldinga at managecom.co.ke
> Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki

> KFCB always makes roadside pronouncements that would not pass any legal
threshold.

> And quoting the Bible here is imposing your religion on others who
believe in different deities.

> Ebele, No, there is no State religion in Kenya, and our constitution
recognises freedom of worship.

> Article 32 of Kenyan Constitution:

> 32. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, RELIGION, BELIEF AND OPINION

> (1) Every person has the right to freedom of conscience, religion,
thought, belief and opinion.

> (2) Every person has the right, either individually or in community with
others, in public or in private, to manifest any religion or belief through
worship, practice, teaching or observance, including observance of a day of
worship.

> (3) A person may not be denied access to any institution, employment or
facility, or the enjoyment of any right, because of the person's belief or
religion.

> (4) A person shall not be compelled to act, or engage in any act, that is
contrary to the person's belief or religion.

> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 2:36 PM Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

>> Does Kenya have a state religion?

>> On 4/30/18, 12:33 PM, "kictanet on behalf of Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via
kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke on
behalf of kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

>>      Dear Alex,

>>      I don’t know much about the movie but if it is about lesbianism then
it is
>>      immoral and ungodly.
>>      God only approves a relation between a man and a woman

>>      Leviticus 18:22
>>      You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

>>      Genesis 2:24
>>      Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast
to his
>>      wife, and they shall become one flesh.

>>      Regards

>>      -----Original Message-----
>>      From: Alex Comninos via kictanet
>>      Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:05 PM
>>      To: ldinga at managecom.co.ke
>>      Cc: Alex Comninos ; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>      Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki

>>      I am not sure what the film is about in its entirety, but the main
>>      storyline is a lesbian romance in Nairobi. It is the first Kenyan
film to
>>      be nominated for the Cannes film festival and will premiere there on
the
>>      8th of May.

>>      Here is the trailer for the film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_-ucSaFpU

>>      On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:57, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni at gmail.com>
wrote:

>>      > What is the film about?

>>      > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 1:55 PM Alex Comninos via kictanet <
>>      kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

>>      >> Hi

>>      >> I was shocked to learn that the film classification board has
banned an
>>      >> LGBT film, Rafiki.

>>      >> Our Film and Publication Board recently attempted this but it was
>>      reversed
>>      >> by the courts.

>>      >> Films are ICTs and we should be discussing this on the list.

>>      >> I am looking forward to the discussion.

>>      >> Kind regards,
>>      >> Alex

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