[kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
Athar Ahmad Bhatti
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Mon Apr 30 16:49:32 EAT 2018
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 4:43 PM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:33 PM, Wamathai (HapaKenya) via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Let me add this one as well
>>
>> http://sidneyochieng.co.ke/2010/04/homosexuality-in-pre-colonial-kenya/
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 16:30 Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> More data on homosexuality across pre-colonial Africa-
>>>
>>> https://mobile.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/Is-hom
>>> osexuality-alien-or-not-to-Africa-369821
>>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/being-
>>> gay-african-history-homosexuality-christianity
>>>
>>> http://blog.swaliafrica.com/the-homosexual-nature-of-africas-past/
>>>
>>> http://www.lse.ac.uk/gender/assets/documents/research/gradua
>>> te-working-papers/Postcolonial-Amnesia.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is Christianity, brought to Kenya by colonizers, “Kenyan culture”? How
>>> so?
>>>
>>> If so, doesn’t saying that it is mean that culture evolves, since Kenyan
>>> culture predates the introduction of Christianity by millennia?
>>>
>>> If culture evolves, then what does it mean to say something is not part
>>> of one’s culture?
>>>
>>> Finally-I’m not Kenyan. I’m Igbo, from south eastern Nigeria. Igbos had,
>>> prior to colonization, thousands of years of culture, worshipping many
>>> gods. One commonly accepted practice was women husbands-same sex marriage,
>>> in which women could take other women as wives, and those wives would bear
>>> children for their women husbands.
>>>
>>> The British were repulsed by this, and after they brought their religion
>>> (plus the slave trade, the disenfranchisement of women, the attempt to
>>> destroy the system of republican democracy that had operated in Igboland
>>> for centuries) they banned such relationships. after this, we can now have
>>> people who say same sex marriage is against Igbo culture.
>>>
>>> The theft of cultural knowledge is truly a crime without end.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Twahir Hussein Kassim via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Reading from the preamble to the constitution, I would like to give my
>>> *thoughts* below within the text of the constitution copied from a
>>> previous email
>>>
>>> CONSTITUTION OF KENYA
>>>
>>> PREAMBLE
>>> ACKNOWLEDGING the supremacy of the Almighty God of all creation:
>>>
>>> *My belief is that this is a declaration within the constitution that
>>> the supremacy of The Almighty is ABOVE ALL. I doubt if there is any
>>> religion that accepts LGBT relationships to be fine. Going back to the
>>> scripts we will NOTE a whole nation being destroyed due to this very act.
>>> Whether Kenya has a state religion or not GAY relations shouldn't be ok. *
>>>
>>> HONOURING those who heroically struggled to bring freedom and justice
>>> to our land:
>>>
>>> PROUD of our ethnic, cultural and religious diversity, and determined
>>> to live in peace and unity as one indivisible sovereign nation:
>>>
>>> *Proud of ethnic diversity, none of our diverse culture agree with this
>>> act. Am not refuting that it has been practised for donkey years; however
>>> NEVER has it been FORCED DOWN our throats to accept it as a norm. We did
>>> interact with gays before but they were not openly blatantly plying their
>>> trade. This only started when the west started pushing.*
>>>
>>> *There is a LINE we as a people MUST DRAW! Come on guys!*
>>>
>>> RESPECTFUL of the environment, which is our heritage, and determined to
>>> sustain it for the benefit of future generations:
>>>
>>> COMMITTED to nurturing and protecting the well-being of the individual,
>>> the family, communities and the nation:
>>>
>>> RECOGNISING the aspirations of all Kenyans for a government based on
>>> the essential values of human rights, equality, freedom, democracy, social
>>> justice and the rule of law:
>>>
>>> * If we play the HUMAN RIGHT card, then why arrest a consenting adult
>>> who chooses to commit suicide? Isn't it his right to live?*
>>>
>>> *Freedom comes with responsibility and most of all we OWE it to the
>>> generations to come to maintain a MORAL FABRIC that reflects us as a
>>> people! LGBT doesn't stand the test of morality if it goes against the very
>>> supreme being that we claim to acknowledge!*
>>>
>>> EXERCISING our sovereign and inalienable right to determine the form of
>>> governance of our country and having participated fully in the making of
>>> this Constitution:
>>>
>>> ADOPT, ENACT and give this Constitution to ourselves and to our future
>>> generations.
>>>
>>> GOD BLESS KENYA
>>>
>>> *These are my opinions, I don't mean to disrespect anyone. *
>>>
>>> *Twahir*
>>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2018 15:26, "Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet" <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> @Alex
>>>
>>> I am open to any introduction and as I said the issue of morality is
>>> subjective and conscience based. You may see gay relationship as okay
>>> and
>>> right from your perspective. However, to another person, it may be
>>> immoral
>>> depending on one's beliefs.
>>>
>>> The board has also given the reasons behind the ban.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alex Comninos
>>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:09 PM
>>> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Cc: ldinga at managecom.co.ke
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
>>>
>>> @Lawrence
>>>
>>> Why is love between two consenting non-abusive people a morality issue?
>>>
>>> Please explain?
>>>
>>> There are many issues of morality in relationships, but what does the
>>> sexual orientation of the partners have to do with anything?
>>>
>>> So basically you are saying being gay is immoral, it would be nice if you
>>> could back that up without resorting to the first testament.
>>>
>>> Once again, I am more than willing to introduce you to my LGBT friends
>>> and
>>> their morality. If you would like to be introduced and learn something,
>>> contact me.
>>>
>>> Kindly,
>>> Alex
>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 14:05, Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Religion a side I think this is an issue of morality but I agree,
>>> morality can be subjective and depends on one’s conscience.
>>>
>>> > Regards
>>>
>>> > From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet
>>> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:50 PM
>>> > To: ldinga at managecom.co.ke
>>> > Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva
>>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
>>>
>>> > KFCB always makes roadside pronouncements that would not pass any legal
>>> threshold.
>>>
>>> > And quoting the Bible here is imposing your religion on others who
>>> believe in different deities.
>>>
>>> > Ebele, No, there is no State religion in Kenya, and our constitution
>>> recognises freedom of worship.
>>>
>>> > Article 32 of Kenyan Constitution:
>>>
>>> > 32. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, RELIGION, BELIEF AND OPINION
>>>
>>> > (1) Every person has the right to freedom of conscience, religion,
>>> thought, belief and opinion.
>>>
>>> > (2) Every person has the right, either individually or in community
>>> with
>>> others, in public or in private, to manifest any religion or belief
>>> through
>>> worship, practice, teaching or observance, including observance of a day
>>> of
>>> worship.
>>>
>>> > (3) A person may not be denied access to any institution, employment or
>>> facility, or the enjoyment of any right, because of the person's belief
>>> or
>>> religion.
>>>
>>> > (4) A person shall not be compelled to act, or engage in any act, that
>>> is
>>> contrary to the person's belief or religion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 2:36 PM Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Does Kenya have a state religion?
>>>
>>> >> On 4/30/18, 12:33 PM, "kictanet on behalf of Lawrence Dinga, CISSP
>>> via
>>> kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke on
>>> behalf of kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Dear Alex,
>>>
>>> >> I don’t know much about the movie but if it is about lesbianism
>>> then
>>> it is
>>> >> immoral and ungodly.
>>> >> God only approves a relation between a man and a woman
>>>
>>> >> Leviticus 18:22
>>> >> You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an
>>> abomination.
>>>
>>> >> Genesis 2:24
>>> >> Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold
>>> fast
>>> to his
>>> >> wife, and they shall become one flesh.
>>>
>>> >> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Alex Comninos via kictanet
>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:05 PM
>>> >> To: ldinga at managecom.co.ke
>>> >> Cc: Alex Comninos ; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
>>>
>>> >> I am not sure what the film is about in its entirety, but the
>>> main
>>> >> storyline is a lesbian romance in Nairobi. It is the first Kenyan
>>> film to
>>> >> be nominated for the Cannes film festival and will premiere
>>> there on
>>> the
>>> >> 8th of May.
>>>
>>> >> Here is the trailer for the film
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_-ucSaFpU
>>>
>>>
>>> >> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:57, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> > What is the film about?
>>>
>>> >> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 1:55 PM Alex Comninos via kictanet <
>>> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >> Hi
>>>
>>> >> >> I was shocked to learn that the film classification board has
>>> banned an
>>> >> >> LGBT film, Rafiki.
>>>
>>> >> >> Our Film and Publication Board recently attempted this but it
>>> was
>>> >> reversed
>>> >> >> by the courts.
>>>
>>> >> >> Films are ICTs and we should be discussing this on the list.
>>>
>>> >> >> I am looking forward to the discussion.
>>>
>>> >> >> Kind regards,
>>> >> >> Alex
>>>
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