[kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki

Mon Apr 30 16:33:22 EAT 2018

Let me add this one as well

http://sidneyochieng.co.ke/2010/04/homosexuality-in-pre-colonial-kenya/

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 16:30 Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> More data on homosexuality across pre-colonial Africa-
>
>
> https://mobile.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/Is-homosexuality-alien-or-not-to-Africa-369821
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/being-gay-african-history-homosexuality-christianity
>
> http://blog.swaliafrica.com/the-homosexual-nature-of-africas-past/
>
>
> http://www.lse.ac.uk/gender/assets/documents/research/graduate-working-papers/Postcolonial-Amnesia.pdf
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Is Christianity, brought to Kenya by colonizers, “Kenyan culture”? How
> so?
>
> If so, doesn’t saying that it is mean that culture evolves, since Kenyan
> culture predates the introduction of Christianity by millennia?
>
> If culture evolves, then what does it mean to say something is not part of
> one’s culture?
>
> Finally-I’m not Kenyan. I’m Igbo, from south eastern Nigeria. Igbos had,
> prior to colonization, thousands of years of culture, worshipping many
> gods. One commonly accepted practice was women husbands-same sex marriage,
> in which women could take other women as wives, and those wives would bear
> children for their women husbands.
>
> The British were repulsed by this, and after they brought their religion
> (plus the slave trade, the disenfranchisement of women, the attempt to
> destroy the system of republican democracy that had operated in Igboland
> for centuries) they banned such relationships. after this, we can now have
> people who say same sex marriage is against Igbo culture.
>
> The theft of cultural knowledge is truly a crime without end.
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Twahir Hussein Kassim via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Reading from the preamble to the constitution, I would like to give my
> *thoughts* below within the text of the constitution copied from a
> previous email
>
> CONSTITUTION OF KENYA
>
> PREAMBLE
> ACKNOWLEDGING the supremacy of the Almighty God of all creation:
>
> *My belief is that this is a declaration within the constitution that the
> supremacy of The Almighty is ABOVE ALL. I doubt if there is any religion
> that accepts LGBT relationships to be fine. Going back to the scripts we
> will NOTE a whole nation being destroyed due to this very act. Whether
> Kenya has a state religion or not GAY relations shouldn't be ok. *
>
> HONOURING those who heroically struggled to bring freedom and justice to
> our land:
>
> PROUD of our ethnic, cultural and religious diversity, and determined to
> live in peace and unity as one indivisible sovereign nation:
>
> *Proud of ethnic diversity, none of our diverse culture agree with this
> act. Am not refuting that it has been practised for donkey years; however
> NEVER has it been FORCED DOWN our throats to accept it as a norm. We did
> interact with gays before but they were not openly blatantly plying their
> trade. This only started when the west started pushing.*
>
> *There is a LINE we as a people MUST DRAW! Come on guys!*
>
> RESPECTFUL of the environment, which is our heritage, and determined to
> sustain it for the benefit of future generations:
>
> COMMITTED to nurturing and protecting the well-being of the individual,
> the family, communities and the nation:
>
> RECOGNISING the aspirations of all Kenyans for a government based on the
> essential values of human rights, equality, freedom, democracy, social
> justice and the rule of law:
>
> * If we play the HUMAN RIGHT card, then why arrest a consenting adult who
> chooses to commit suicide? Isn't it his right to live?*
>
> *Freedom comes with responsibility and most of all we OWE it to the
> generations to come to maintain a MORAL FABRIC that reflects us as a
> people! LGBT doesn't stand the test of morality if it goes against the very
> supreme being that we claim to acknowledge!*
>
> EXERCISING our sovereign and inalienable right to determine the form of
> governance of our country and having participated fully in the making of
> this Constitution:
>
> ADOPT, ENACT and give this Constitution to ourselves and to our future
> generations.
>
> GOD BLESS KENYA
>
> *These are my opinions, I don't mean to disrespect anyone. *
>
> *Twahir*
>
> On Apr 30, 2018 15:26, "Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> @Alex
>
> I am open to any introduction and as I said the issue of morality is
> subjective and conscience based. You may see gay relationship as okay and
> right from your perspective. However, to another person, it may be immoral
> depending on one's beliefs.
>
> The board has also given the reasons behind the ban.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Comninos
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:09 PM
> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Cc: ldinga at managecom.co.ke
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
>
> @Lawrence
>
> Why is love between two consenting non-abusive people a morality issue?
>
> Please explain?
>
> There are many issues of morality in relationships, but what does the
> sexual orientation of the partners have to do with anything?
>
> So basically you are saying being gay is immoral, it would be nice if you
> could back that up without resorting to the first testament.
>
> Once again, I am more than willing to introduce you to my LGBT friends and
> their morality. If you would like to be introduced and learn something,
> contact me.
>
> Kindly,
> Alex
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 14:05, Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> > Religion a side I think this is an issue of morality but I agree,
> morality can be subjective and depends on one’s conscience.
>
> > Regards
>
> > From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:50 PM
> > To: ldinga at managecom.co.ke
> > Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
>
> > KFCB always makes roadside pronouncements that would not pass any legal
> threshold.
>
> > And quoting the Bible here is imposing your religion on others who
> believe in different deities.
>
> > Ebele, No, there is no State religion in Kenya, and our constitution
> recognises freedom of worship.
>
> > Article 32 of Kenyan Constitution:
>
> > 32. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, RELIGION, BELIEF AND OPINION
>
> > (1) Every person has the right to freedom of conscience, religion,
> thought, belief and opinion.
>
> > (2) Every person has the right, either individually or in community with
> others, in public or in private, to manifest any religion or belief through
> worship, practice, teaching or observance, including observance of a day of
> worship.
>
> > (3) A person may not be denied access to any institution, employment or
> facility, or the enjoyment of any right, because of the person's belief or
> religion.
>
> > (4) A person shall not be compelled to act, or engage in any act, that is
> contrary to the person's belief or religion.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 2:36 PM Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> >> Does Kenya have a state religion?
>
> >> On 4/30/18, 12:33 PM, "kictanet on behalf of Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via
> kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke on
> behalf of kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> >>      Dear Alex,
>
> >>      I don’t know much about the movie but if it is about lesbianism
> then
> it is
> >>      immoral and ungodly.
> >>      God only approves a relation between a man and a woman
>
> >>      Leviticus 18:22
> >>      You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an
> abomination.
>
> >>      Genesis 2:24
> >>      Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast
> to his
> >>      wife, and they shall become one flesh.
>
> >>      Regards
>
>
>
> >>      -----Original Message-----
> >>      From: Alex Comninos via kictanet
> >>      Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:05 PM
> >>      To: ldinga at managecom.co.ke
> >>      Cc: Alex Comninos ; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >>      Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
>
> >>      I am not sure what the film is about in its entirety, but the main
> >>      storyline is a lesbian romance in Nairobi. It is the first Kenyan
> film to
> >>      be nominated for the Cannes film festival and will premiere there
> on
> the
> >>      8th of May.
>
> >>      Here is the trailer for the film
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_-ucSaFpU
>
>
> >>      On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:57, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>      > What is the film about?
>
> >>      > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 1:55 PM Alex Comninos via kictanet <
> >>      kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> >>      >> Hi
>
> >>      >> I was shocked to learn that the film classification board has
> banned an
> >>      >> LGBT film, Rafiki.
>
> >>      >> Our Film and Publication Board recently attempted this but it
> was
> >>      reversed
> >>      >> by the courts.
>
> >>      >> Films are ICTs and we should be discussing this on the list.
>
> >>      >> I am looking forward to the discussion.
>
> >>      >> Kind regards,
> >>      >> Alex
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