[kictanet] Why Bill Gates would tax robots

Barrack Otieno otieno.barrack at gmail.com
Tue Feb 28 17:12:17 EAT 2017 

Robots will never replace human beings, there will always be work for
human beings unless they are lazy.  That is why i still don't agree
with the idea of taxing gadgets or equipment.

Regards

On 2/28/17, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> No doubt. That we need to ensure that we hold our government to account on
> how they spend our taxes and wherever we can we need to chip in and help the
> disadvantaged. We should be our brothers' and sisters' keepers.
>
> Ali Hussein
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> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what
> no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 28 Feb 2017, at 4:54 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> That is true Ali. Human will have to develop skills needed in this
>> evolving society. But we should remember in every society, there still
>> will be the F student. There will be the elderly, and most importantly,
>> the peasants. Those with skills will prosper. But we need social nets for
>> the disadvantaged, and those who life has served them only lemons. This
>> category will always be there in every society
>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2017 3:49 PM, "Admin CampusCiti" <info at campusciti.com> wrote:
>>> We also need to consider the fact that humans need to upscale their
>>> competencies to enable us to live in this Information and data driven
>>> world. Going forward we will see more and more skilled workers stepping
>>> up to do more important work higher the value chain.
>>>
>>> In the scheme of things we tend to forget this important aspect. AI, MI
>>> etc are human instigated and human will remain at the top of the food
>>> chain.
>>>
>>> Ali Hussein
>>> Hussein & Associates
>>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>>>
>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
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>>>
>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On 28 Feb 2017, at 3:06 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet
>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Your point is very good Mark Elkins.
>>>>
>>>> I think Bill Gates is trying to simulate such a debate ... on what is
>>>> the role of humans in an automated, mechanized, and robotized society.
>>>> Traditionally, human labour has been considered as a factor of
>>>> production. If we declare millions of human labour redundant, and
>>>> there are no security measure build around it, where will humans go?
>>>> How will they earn their food, education, healthcare, and shelter?
>>>> Taxation is such a measure that build social security net around
>>>> humanity. So that the robots can produce, and the enterprises pay
>>>> government for upkeep of it's people, instead of hoarding the end
>>>> products of robots in vaults, and other forms of securities.
>>>> ______________________
>>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 28 February 2017 at 15:46, Mark Elkins via kictanet
>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> I do agree though that if automation removed the jobs of existing
>>>>> people,
>>>>> they should be somehow compensated - either moved to a new job
>>>>> internally or
>>>>> re-trained or something positive. Usually with automation, the company
>>>>> can
>>>>> be expanded (make more profit) - which should mean more human staff.
>>>>> That
>>>>> would be the ethical thing to do. I don't see this as a tax though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28/02/2017 13:33, Mark Elkins via kictanet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is probably the best reply so far!
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, a robot is a tool. This could be my coffee maker making a
>>>>> cup of
>>>>> freshly ground coffee rather than a human taking the beans, grounding
>>>>> them
>>>>> with stones, adding them to boiling water - etc... all by hand. Agh.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28/02/2017 11:19, awatila--- via kictanet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think in the discussion the original purpose of taxation is
>>>>> forgotten.
>>>>>
>>>>> A human being pays tax to the government to cover the cost of the
>>>>> common
>>>>> services provided by the government.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What are this services that the robot will be consuming from the
>>>>> government
>>>>> that they need to pay for?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Mark Kipyegon via kictanet
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:06 PM
>>>>> To: awatila at yahoo.co.uk
>>>>> Cc: Mark Kipyegon
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why Bill Gates would tax robots
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> During the Industrial Revolution, critics of mechanisation would use
>>>>> similar
>>>>> arguments. Advances in technology should be embraced.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28 Feb 2017, at 10:25, "kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke"
>>>>> <kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 10:21:47 +0300
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Job Muriuki <muriukin at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> To: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why Bill Gates would tax robots
>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Barrack,
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am in business and I know it's the bottom line that counts at the
>>>>>> expense
>>>>>
>>>>>> of people.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now we further what to fire the already strained employee replace
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>>> a robot
>>>>>
>>>>>> for a fatter bank account and cash you don't need.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe Bill Gates been the billionaire he is has realised you can
>>>>>> have
>>>>>
>>>>>> all the cash
>>>>>
>>>>>> and wealth you can get but it all without meaning what really matters
>>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>> the humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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