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On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Julius Njiraini via kictanet <
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> What is an ICT professional according to Australian Association of
> computer Professional standards
>
> The ACS Professional Standards Board (2007) deems an ICT professional as
> someone eligible for its professional level of membership. That individual
> should possess the following knowledge, skills and capabilities:
>
>    - • Factual and theoretical knowledge of ICT in broad contexts.
>    - • Advanced, coherent body of knowledge in a discipline/field
>    involving critical understanding of theories and principles.
>    - • Advanced skills, demonstrating mastery and innovation required to
>    solve complex and unpredictable problems in a discipline/field of ICT.
>    - • Exercise management and supervision [skills] in contexts of work
>    activities where there is unpredictable change.
>    - • [Competent to] Take responsibility for complex technical and
>    professional activities or projects.
>    - • [Competent to] Review and develop performance of self and others.
>
> In this context, the descriptors the ACS uses to define levels of
> membership can be stated as:
>
>    - • Knowledge: facts, information and skills acquired through
>    experience and education.
>    - • Skills: the ability to perform a task.
>    - • Capability: a standard necessary to perform a specific job.
>
> Underpinning this choice of descriptors is the skills framework for the
> information age (SFIA), which is described as providing ‘a common reference
> model for the identification of the skills needed to develop effective
> information systems (IS) making use of information technologies (IT)’.
>
> SFIA is a two-dimensional table that represents skill sets on one
> dimension and levels of responsibility, or capability, on the other. A
> tabular view of SFIA subset is provided in Figure 1 below.
>
> The ACS considers that graduates from most, but not all, Australian ICT
> degree programs can, after 18 months relevant industry experience, perform
> at SFIA Level of Responsibility 4 (Enable). With further experience, and
> studies within the ACS CPe program, its graduates are expected to have
> achieved SFIA Level of Responsibility 5 (Ensure, advise) and be eligible
> for professional level membership.
>
> [image: 14803.png]
>
> Figure 1: A subset of the SFIA
>
> Source: Extracted from SFIA, 2008c
>
> SFIA Levels of Responsibility 4 and 5 are defined Table 1a and 1b below.
>
> Table 1a: Definition of SFIA Level of Responsibility 4
>
> SFIA Level of Responsibility 4 (Enable)
>
> Autonomy
>
> Works under general direction within a clear framework of accountability.
> Substantial personal responsibility and autonomy. Plans own work, to meet
> given objectives and processes.
>
> Influence
>
> Influences team, and specialist peers internally. Influences customers at
> account level and suppliers. Some responsibility for work of others and
> allocation of resources. Participates in external activities related to
> specialisation. Decisions influence success of projects and team objectives.
>
> Complexity
>
> Broad range of complex technical or professional work activities in a
> variety of contexts.
>
> Business
>
> Selects appropriately from applicable standards, methods, tools and
> applications and use. Demonstrates analytical and systematic approach to
> problem solving. Communicates fluently orally and in writing and can
> present complex technical information to both technical and non-technical
> audiences. Is able to plan, schedule and monitor work activities in order
> to meet time and quality targets and in accordance with health and safety
> procedures. Is able to absorb rapidly new technical information and apply
> it effectively. Good appreciation of wider field of information systems,
> its use in relevant employment areas and how it relates to the business
> activities of the employer or client. Maintains awareness of developing
> technologies and their application and takes some responsibility for
> personal development.
>
> Source: Extracted from SFIA, 2008c
>
> Table 1b: Definition of SFIA Level of Responsibility 5
>
> SFIA Level of Responsibility 5 (Ensure, advise)
>
> Autonomy
>
> Works under broad direction. Full accountability for own technical work or
> project/supervisory responsibilities. Receives assignments in the form of
> objectives. Establishes own milestones, team objectives and delegates
> assignments. Work is often self-initiated.
>
> Influence
>
> Challenging range and variety of complex technical or professional work
> activities. Work requires application of fundamental principles in a wide
> and often unpredictable range of contexts. Understands relationship between
> specialism and wider customer/ organisational requirements.
>
> Complexity
>
> Broad range of complex technical or professional work activities, in a
> variety of contexts.
>
> Business
>
> Advises on the available standards, methods, tools and applications in own
> area of specialisation and can make correct choices from alternatives. Can
> analyse, diagnose, design, plan, execute and evaluate work to time, cost
> and quality targets. Communicates effectively, formally and informally,
> with colleagues, subordinates and customers. Demonstrates leadership. Clear
> understanding of the relationship between own area of
> responsibility/specialisation to the employing organisation and takes
> customer requirements into account when making proposals. Takes initiative
> to keep skills up to date. Maintains awareness of developments in the
> industry. Can analyse user requirements and advise users on scope and
> options for operational improvement. Demonstrates creativity and innovation
> in applying solutions for the benefit of the user.
>
> Source: Extracted from SFIA, 2008c
>
> While comprehensive in the range of skills it encompasses, SFIA has no
> skills category relevant to professionalism, or professional behaviour. To
> cover this area, the ACS has expanded on SFIA with an additional skill set
> that, for university and CPeP graduates, are defined in Table 2 below.
>
> Table 2: Definitions of ACS professionalism skills
>
> SFIA Level of Responsibility 4 (Professionalism skills of university
> graduates)
>
> Develops a basic risk management plan for simple projects including the
> impact on social, business and ecological environments.
>
> Identifies legal requirements and constraints imposed on the work/project
> and contributes to compliance.
>
> Commits to a code of ethics, standards and practice and can apply these in
> basic projects.
>
> SFIA Level of Responsibility 5 (Professionalism skills of CPeP graduates).
>
> Develops a risk management plan for projects including the impact on
> social, business and ecological environments and ensures compliance.
>
> Ensures compliance with all legal/regulatory requirements.
>
> Ensures compliance with appropriate professional codes of ethics,
> standards and practice.
>
> Source: Extracted from SFIA, 2008c
>
> An ICT professional, therefore, is someone who has full accountability for
> their own technical work and responsibilities; whose decisions can impact
> on the success of projects; who develops business relationships with
> customers; who must apply fundamental principles in a wide and often
> unpredictable range of contexts; and, who can analyse, diagnose, design,
> plan, execute and evaluate work to time, cost and quality targets. In
> addition, they can communicate effectively, demonstrate leadership, and
> keep their skills up to date. They are creative, innovative, and aware of
> their impact on social, business and ecological environments. Their
> knowledge and actions are able to influence direction within the
> organisation, their peers and industry.
>
> Are there grades of ICT professionalism
>
> An ICT professional, in the view of the ACS, is someone eligible for its
> professional level of membership. This level is not easily achieved and
> thus, in the view of the ACS, ICT professionals are a subset, perhaps a
> small subset, of the generality of ICT practitioners.
>
> But the ease or difficulty of gaining ACS membership at the professional
> level is not the consideration here. It is whether membership at this level
> means something about the person who gains the professional level of
> membership and, therefore, also suggests something about other
> practitioners who are not members at the professional level.
>
> The ACS professional level of membership aims to be a differentiator
> between ICT practitioners, who the ACS verifies as reliable and competent
> at SFIA level of responsibility 5, and others, who might be less than
> reliable at that level. Those with the ACS professional level of membership
> can use their membership as evidence for prospective employers and clients
> of their professional abilities. Those who are not ACS professional level
> members will require additional evidence, and additional corroboration, to
> justify similar claims.
>
> Note that the ACS is not aiming to be elitist or exclusive with its
> professional level of membership. There are other levels of membership with
> less onerous prerequisites. The associate level, for instance, is mapped to
> the SFIA level of responsibility 3 (Apply). But it is the objective of the
> ACS for its members at these other levels to raise their knowledge, skills
> and capabilities to the level of the professional. The ACS aims to be both
> an inclusive organisation, and an organisation that encourages continuing
> professional development amongst its members.
>
> Indicative of the ACS view of professionalism is that the majority of
> assessments in its CPe program do not have a grade for exceptional
> achievement. Instead, most items of assessment are graded 0, 1, or 2 —
> where 2 is measured as at or exceeds expectations. The ACS does not view
> professionalism in multiple grades. Rather, a person is either an ICT
> professional, or they are not. They either meet the criteria for membership
> at the professional level, or they do not. They can either take on
> professional responsibilities at SFIA level 5, or they cannot.
>
> What is professional development for ICT professionals
>
> The ACS specifies its professional level of membership in terms of
> knowledge, skills and capability. Professions Australia defines a
> profession in similar terms; the possession of ‘special knowledge and
> skills in a widely recognised body of learning derived from research,
> education and training at a high level’ (Professions Australia, 1997).
>
> Considering, again, the definitions of an ICT professional provided above,
> it seems reasonable now to define professional development as the
> acquisition of, and the continuing possession and use of, facts,
> information, and skills necessary to perform a task.
>
> It is important to distinguish between the ‘acquisition of … facts,
> information and skills’, and the ‘continuing possession of … facts,
> information and skills’. The first is initial professional development
> (IPD), and the second is continuing professional development (CPD).
>
> The UK Initial Professional Development Forum defines IPD as ‘a period of
> development during which an individual acquires a level of capability
> necessary in order to operate as an autonomous professional’. It goes on to
> clarify the concept with the statement ‘Professional bodies may recognise
> the successful completion of IPD by the award of chartered or similar
> status’ (nd).
>
> Engineers Australia states ‘Continuing Professional Development (CPD)
> helps you maintain up-to-date technical skills and knowledge of processes,
> technology and legislation. It also enables you to attain and maintain your
> Chartered Status’ (2009).
>
> The ACS now follows a similar strategy. To achieve its professional level
> of membership, an applicant is required to have a minimum of four years
> relevant experience and, in addition, have completed a course of study
> encompassing the ACS core body of knowledge. This entitles an applicant to
> use the postnominal MACS (Member of the ACS).
>
> But, to use the post-nominal MACS CP, indicating an ACS-recognised
> certified professional, a MACS must complete the ACS CPe program. Initial
> professional development, therefore, is a course of study, typically a
> university degree in some aspect of ICT, plus experience, plus postgraduate
> studies in professionalism (that is, the ACS CPe program).
>
> Then, to maintain their CP status, a member must complete, annually, at
> least 30 hours of professional development; which is to say, continuing
> professional development. Unlike IPD, the ACS view of CPD is that it should
> be self-directed. Except for its quantity, and that it must be relevant to
> a practicing computer professional at SFIA level 5 or above, the ACS does
> not prescribe what the professional development must comprise.
>
> Where, on the scale of academically oriented education versus
> competency-based training, does ICT professional development lie
>
> To achieve the ACS professional level of membership, an applicant requires
> a minimum of four years relevant experience plus the completion of a course
> of study encompassing the ACS core body of knowledge. The ACS, therefore,
> deems professionalism to be acquired only through a combination of
> education and experience.
>
> It seems obvious that, if professionalism is defined in terms of
> knowledge, skills and capability, then a professional requires education
> beyond that offered in a typical diploma or degree. They require more than
> just knowledge, and more than just technical skills.
>
> The professional requires contextual awareness; that is, how ICT, and the
> numerous ICT roles in industry, fit within and influence the world of
> business, society, and the environment. They also need a reasoned and
> objective assessment of themselves; their own knowledge, skills and
> capabilities. A person seeking a job on the basis of an innocent but
> incorrect assessment of their own ability is as unprofessional as a person
> who deliberately falsifies their résumé. And these two requirements lead to
> the skill set the ACS has added to those of SFIA, namely, the skills
> concerned with risk management.
>
> So, where does ICT professional development lie on the academically
> oriented education versus competency-based training scale? It lies across
> the entire scale with, perhaps, IPD centred more towards the academically
> oriented end, and CPD more towards the competency-based end.
>
> What is achieved by teaching ethics
>
> The ACS describes itself as a professional association. This suggests that
> the practice of ICT and computing-related activities is, or should be, a
> profession. An ICT practitioner in Australia, however, can claim to be an
> ICT professional even though, unlike practitioners in disciplines such as
> law and medicine, they do not need any form of registration or belong to a
> professional association.
>
> Professions Australia describes a profession as ‘a disciplined group of
> individuals who adhere to ethical standards …’ (1997). While it should not
> be assumed from this that ICT practitioners in Australia who do not belong
> to a professional association will necessarily behave unethically, it can
> be reasonably argued that the possibility of unethical behaviour is less
> likely if a person is educated and trained in the interpretation and
> application of ethical standards. Further, it can be argued that a person
> is less likely to behave unethically if they are subject to disciplinary
> processes by their peers; which is to say, their professional association.
>
> ACS rules and regulations (nd) include a code of ethics, extracts of which
> are provided in Table 3 below.
>
> Table 3: Extract of ACS code of ethics
>
> 4.1 To uphold and advance the honour, dignity and effectiveness of the
> profession of information technology and in keeping with high standards of
> competence and ethical conduct, a member must:
>
> (a) be honest, forthright and impartial, and
>
> (b) loyally serve the community, and
>
> (c) strive to increase the competence and prestige of the profession, and
>
> (d) use special knowledge and skill for the advancement of human welfare.
>
> 4.3 Values and Ideals
>
> I must act with professional responsibility and integrity in my dealings
> with the community and clients, employers, employees and students. I
> acknowledge:
>
> 4.3.1 Priorities
>
> I must place the interests of the community above those of personal or
> sectional interests.
>
> 4.3.2 Competence
>
> I must work competently and diligently for my clients and employers.
>
> 4.3.3 Honesty
>
> I must be honest in my representation of skills, knowledge, services and
> products.
>
> 4.3.4 Social Implications
>
> I must strive to enhance the quality of life of those affected by my work.
>
> 4.3.5 Professional Development
>
> I must enhance my own professional development, and that of my colleagues,
> employees and students.
>
> 4.3.6 Information Technology Profession
>
> I must enhance the integrity of the information technology profession and
> the respect of its members for each other.
>
> Source: Taken from ACS rules and regulations (ACS, nd)
>
> While the code of ethics is readily accessible to ACS members and people
> affected by their work, it comprises general and non-specific statements
> and often requires guidance in interpretation and application. This point
> is supported by the ACS standards of conduct, which state that ‘A member is
> expected to take into account the spirit of the Code of Ethics in order to
> resolve ambiguous or contentious issues concerning ethical conduct’. In
> addition, the ACS has a code of professional practice and professional
> conduct, which is designed ‘to provide members with authoritative guidance
> on acceptable standards of professional conduct and … is not intended to
> include a multitude of detailed rules’. It goes on to say that the code
> should not be ‘narrowly interpreted’ (ACS, nd).
>
> While the ACS offers formal education programs in professional ethics, a
> specialist intermediary is often required to apply the ACS code of ethics
> to professional practice in the real world.
>
> Together with its code of ethics and supporting education activities, the
> ACS has implemented disciplinary procedures, see Table 4 below, which can
> be applied in the event that a member behaves in a manner inconsistent with
> the Code.
>
> Table 4: Nature of complaints and disciplinary action
>
> 7.1. Nature of Complaints and Disciplinary Action
>
> 7.1.1. A complaint may be made against any member who acts or fails to act
> in the course of his or her professional activities in such a way as to
> justify the taking of disciplinary action, including;
>
> (a) failing to observe, whether intentionally or unintentionally, the
> Rules or the National Regulations,
>
> (b) failing to comply with, whether intentionally or unintentionally, any
> ethical, professional or technical standards published by the Society,
>
> (c) acting or failing to act so that, as a consequence, whether intended
> or not, the Society is or is likely to be brought into disrepute or suffer
> loss or damage,
>
> (d) any combination of (a), (b) and (c).
>
> 7.1.2. If the complaint is substantiated, the member may be disciplined by:
>
> (a) expulsion from the Society, or
>
> (b) suspension from the rights of membership for a period of 3 years or
> less or until imposed conditions are met, or
>
> (c) being required to comply with conditions imposed as to the carrying
> out of the member’s occupation, or
>
> (d) being required to complete specified courses of training or
> instruction, or
>
> (e) caution or reprimand, or
>
> (f) any combination of 2 or more of (a), (b), (c), (d) and (e).
>
> Source: ACS rules and regulations (ACS, nd)
>
> The ACS encourages its members, and their employers, to view ethical
> behaviour as a risk-management strategy. Philip Argy, while president of
> the ACS, wrote ‘the standards set for ACS membership and the ethics of
> professionalism provide a guaranteed credential for employers and board
> directors wanting to minimise their risk’, and ‘membership of the ACS at
> the professional level immediately conveys to the world that you are
> committed to the highest standards and maintain a level of knowledge,
> expertise and mental acuity that ensures you are more able to deliver
> requirements on time, on budget, and with less risk’ (2006).
>
> This notion of ethical behaviour as a risk management strategy is
> formalised such that an ICT practitioner, to graduate from the ACS’s
> initial professional development program, must demonstrate capabilities
> listed in Table 2 (above). Additionally, the practitioner must demonstrate
> that he or she;
>
> Carries out risk assessment within a defined functional or technical area
> of business. Uses consistent processes for identifying potential risk
> events, quantifying and documenting the probability of occurrence and the
> impact on the business. Refers to domain experts for guidance on
> specialised areas of risk, such as architecture and environment.
> Co-ordinates the development of countermeasures and contingency plans.
>
> This second skills definition is taken from SFIA, specifically the
> business risk-management skill at the SFIA level 5 of responsibility titled
> ‘Ensure, advise’ (SFIA Foundation, 2008c).
>
> How does the ACS achieve its learning objectives in teaching ethics
>
> The ACS delivers initial and continuing professional development programs
> using its in-house educational group called ACSEducation. The initial
> professional development programs are all delivered online, while the
> majority of continuing professional development programs are delivered
> on-ground.
>
> ACSEducation has three full-time staff, none of whom are routinely
> involved in active teaching. The teaching staff of ACSEducation are engaged
> on a sessional or voluntary basis and all are senior professional members
> of the ACS. Typically they have no formal training as educators and most
> work outside of ACSEducation as ICT practitioners. ACSEducation is
> supported by an advisory panel comprising senior ICT professionals from
> Australian public- and private-sector IT organisations and, from 2010, it
> has been governed by an independent academic board comprising senior
> university academics.
>
> The ACSEducation Learning Management (LM) system is an open-source product
> that its developers, Moodle Pty Ltd (2008), claim to have designed on sound
> pedagogical principles. The product is used by many organisations, such as
> The Open University, United Kingdom (2005), both for managed learning and
> collaboration.
>
> Professionalism and ethics are addressed in three ACS programs; at the
> postgraduate level through the ACS Professional Year (PYear) and CPe
> programs; and at the undergraduate and vocational levels through the ACS
> Diploma of Information Technology. In the diploma, professionalism and
> ethics topics are only assessed, with teaching provided through colleges
> independent of the ACS.
>
> Professional ethics at the postgraduate level
>
> Similar processes and practices are used for teaching professional ethics
> in the PYear and CPe Programs.
>
> The PYear is a 12-month, job-readiness program comprising three formal
> subjects and a 12-week internship with a host company. Participants,
> typically, are recent graduates of university courses accredited by the ACS
> and most are international students seeking permanent residence in
> Australia. The PYear participants are student members of the ACS and thus
> bound by the ACS rules, especially as pertaining to the ACS code of ethics.
>
> The CPe program comprises four subjects that are completed on a part-time
> basis, plus a period of mentoring where a participant works one-to-one with
> a senior member of the ACS. Participants in the CPe program, normally, are
> graduates of an ACS-accredited university degree with at least 18-months
> experience who are employed in an ICT-related role. Most are professional
> grade members of the ACS who, like their PYear colleagues, are bound by the
> ACS rules pertaining to ethics and professional conduct. Participants in
> the CPe program, typically, will start with the professional ethics subject
> titled Business, Legal and Ethical Issues.
>
> Like their colleagues in the PYear, participants studying professional
> ethics in the CPe program use the ACSEducation LM system to access learning
> materials, submit assessment items, and contribute to weekly discussion
> forums. The following discussion provides a general overview of the ACS
> postgraduate professional ethics subject.
>
> Students in the first week of the professional ethics subject are
> presented with the following statement:
>
> In preparing this subject it has been assumed that you and your fellow
> students are over-achievers; self-motivated, disciplined, and determined to
> succeed. You have extensive prior knowledge and experience relevant to your
> study; you are open-minded about sharing your work and educational
> experiences; and you accept critical thinking as part of the learning
> process.
>
> In this statement, the ACS is recognising that postgraduate study —
> specifically, postgraduate study in professional ethics — differentiates
> its participants from the majority of the population, including the
> majority of ICT practitioners. It implies that professional ethics is a
> specialised pursuit critical to the success of someone seeking to be, and
> to be recognised as being, an ICT professional.
>
> All subjects in the CPe program require 8 to 10 hours of study per week
> for 13 weeks. The content of the professional ethics subject is structured
> as in Table 5 below.
>
> Table 5: Content of Business Legal & Ethical Issues subject
>
> Module 1 (weeks 1–3) The role of IT Professionals in Business.
>
> What is a professional?
>
> The client/professional relationship.
>
> Corporate culture and personal values.
>
> Frameworks to resolve ethical issues in the workplace.
>
> Module 2 (weeks 4–6) Risk Management Frameworks.
>
> Risk management principles and concepts:
>
> IT Risk Management.
>
> Module 3 (weeks 7–9) IT Governance.
>
> IT Governance Regulatory Frameworks.
>
> IT Governance's role in ISO/IEC38500:2006 IT GOVERNANCE standard.
>
> Module 4 (weeks 10–13) Managing Risk in the Business.
>
> Risk management issues, challenges and compliance with respect to social,
> business and ecological environments.
>
> Source: ACSEducation
>
> The ACS takes a more practical than normative approach to teaching
> professional ethics. Nowhere in the required readings, for example, is
> there mention of deontology or utilitarianism, though participants may
> encounter such concepts in their ancillary readings. Most effort is given
> to examining practical situations of ethical significance and discussing
> with colleagues the applicability to those situations of the ACS code of
> ethics, different risk-management frameworks, and standards of IT
> governance.
>
> A teaching week in the ACS professional ethics subject has two sessions;
> Sunday to Wednesday and Thursday to Saturday. In the first session,
> participants work individually, reading and, based on their personal and
> professional experiences, answering tutor-supplied questions. In the second
> session they work collaboratively in cohorts of up to 20 discussing and
> debating the questions previously answered individually.
>
> The role of the tutor in the professional ethics subject is to set
> questions and monitor discussions. Tutors must redirect dialogue that
> strays from the required theme, encourage less assertive participants to
> enter into an exchange of ideas, gently restrain dominating participants,
> and reprove participants who fail to contribute.
>
> For their contribution to weekly discussions, participants are graded, as
> noted previously, with no differentiation between work at, and work above,
> an expected standard. It is assumed that work above an expected standard
> will necessitate a participant not fulfilling their responsibilities in
> another aspect of their life; maybe professional or family. In a similar
> vein, participants who contribute below an expected standard are not only
> awarded low marks, but they are told that their behaviour is unprofessional
> in that they are not assisting with the learning of their colleagues.
>
> Assessment of discussion forums accounts for 20 per cent of the marks in
> the subject.
>
> Weekly discussions rely on each participant sharing their knowledge,
> skills and experience with their colleagues with the aim to address, as
> expressed here by the International Federation of Accountants, the reality
> that;
>
> In the case of complex ethical situations it is unlikely that there will
> be only one ‘right’ answer. While analysis may not give a single ‘right’
> answer to a problem or dilemma, it may lead to one or more answers that are
> more consistent with the fundamental principles … (2007)
>
> The approach of using weekly discussions separates the CPe program from
> many others courses that teach professional ethics and, in the view of
> ACSEducation, this process increases its educational effectiveness.
> Participants are obliged to reflect upon professional ethics every day in
> their workplaces and debate points of view with colleagues whose workplaces
> may be different from their own.
>
> In Week 6 of their 13 weeks in the professional ethics subject,
> participants submit an assignment addressing ethical issues as described in
> three case studies. Again, quoting the International Federation of
> Accountants, the aim is;
>
> By learning to analyze case studies and examples of ethical threats,
> individuals realize that problems and ethical dilemmas do have solutions.
> (2007)
>
> ...
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> I do not even see what the problem here is, What is so hard in having a
>> membership based organization (who's membership is open to all) regulating
>> policy, where members then can openly discuss, define, and review :
>>
>> a) What strengths we have as a nation on the ICT front,
>> b) What opportunities exist and how we can leverage this for the greater
>> good and
>> c) How we should behave so our status professionally keeps rising.
>>
>> Why should some people somewhere earn dollars to sit in expensive
>> committees to come up with a classroom style definition of what an ICT
>> professional is, and then spend even more money stopping people from
>> exploiting their creativity.
>>
>> *Bwana PS:*
>>
>> I do not know what the motivations for this bill are, The only point of
>> reference we have are the first one, I would still look at it suspiciously,
>> especially the urgency with which it is being reintroduced, period!
>>
>> Why not present the gaps as they are and we just focus on filling the
>> gaps.
>>
>> The one thing that differentiated how Britain's Industrial revolution was
>> by magnitudes far more successful than France, is that one had an open
>> policy to innovation, anyone could be listened to and the default challenge
>> was always "Prove it", In the other, Before you showed up before schooled
>> men & women, you had to prove you are qualified to even set foot on stage.
>>
>> Names like John Kay, Richard Arkwright, James Watt and Stephenson would
>> not exist today, in a worldview that seeks to strangle innovation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Collins Areba,
>> Kilifi, Kenya.
>> Tel: +*254 707 750 788 */ *0731750788*
>> Twitter: @arebacollins.
>> Skype: arebacollins
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Victor Kapiyo via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Jambo,
>>>
>>> As we mull over this discussion, let us also consider how we engage.
>>> Attached is a Kictanet brief for discussion that identifies some key
>>> characteristics for inclusive cyber policy making that would be useful
>>> moving forward.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> On 18 Dec 2017 10:16, "gertrude matata via kictanet" <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In support of  self  regulation, there are  at least  some traditional
>>>> guidelines  when coming up with new legislation:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Is there serious mischief clearly identified that the law should
>>>> address.
>>>>
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>>>> to create some other mischief ,if so
>>>> 4. Consider which is the worse mischief , the current ill or the side
>>>> effects of the cure.
>>>> 5.Who would be qualified to cure is the authority or institution that
>>>> is to be  given the mandate to deal with the mischief.
>>>>
>>>> So the pros and Cons of  the Bill should be subjected to the test.
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>>>> On Monday, December 18, 2017, 11:19:05 AM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)
>>>> via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Replying to Julius Njiraini who has been posting one liners in support
>>>> of the bill.....and also about this one organisation represents everyone....
>>>> we are a diverse country with varying interests. And diversity is good
>>>> as it helps us to get different points of view on the table. No one
>>>> organisation has monopoly of views in ICT or any other sector.
>>>> We must dissuade ourselves from the notion that people need the law or
>>>> a new law to organise themselves. Humans are social and they organise
>>>> naturally. KEPSA, KICTANet, ISACA and many others who engage on ICT policy
>>>> exsist without a special law?
>>>> I hope this debate can shift from forced association through ICT
>>>> Practitioners Bill to identifying the problems and seeking solutions.
>>>> In my view, one main challenge is that the Ministry could be more
>>>> responsive to stakeholders who want  to engage with it. And this should be
>>>> any and all stakeholders who are interested be they organisations or
>>>> individuals, all sectors- private, academia, techies and civil society.
>>>> More openess than closeness please!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18 Dec 2017 02:02, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> @Fiona
>>>>
>>>> I stand by my statement.
>>>>
>>>> We DID NOT mandate KEPSA to speak on our behalf but we created an
>>>> inclusive team. This was a partnership. Even the letter to parliament had
>>>> all our logos. KEPSA, BAKE, KICTANET etc. And yes that team was
>>>> specifically set up to kill the ICT Bill. That work was concluded. To hear
>>>> of a revived initiative that purported to have a representative from
>>>> KICTANet is really a surprise to us all.
>>>>
>>>> If I recall the representatives from KICTANet were myself and Grace
>>>> Bomu. John Walubengo was also part of the team in case one of us couldn’t
>>>> attend the meetings. If there were any further initiatives on this bill the
>>>> first time we heard about them was through the press.
>>>>
>>>> To be clear. I stand by my statement. KEPSA doesn’t have the mandate to
>>>> represent KICTANet.
>>>>
>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>> *Principal*
>>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>>> +254 0713 601113
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>
>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>
>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin. com/in/alihkassim
>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>>>
>>>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but
>>>> a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 11:17 PM, Liz Orembo via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For the record  KICTANet was opposed to the ICT practitioners bill.
>>>> Please see the submission to parliament https://www.kictane
>>>> t.or.ke/?page_id=28886 <https://www.kictanet.or.ke/?page_id=28886>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Listers,
>>>>
>>>> Allow me to add a comment or two. I believe we will start deviating
>>>> from the main issue.
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, I think we need to very much understand where the buck stops
>>>> on each matter. As much as yes, Bwana Mucheru, you require the industry to
>>>> take lead in defining frameworks, there also needs to be guidance from the
>>>> top. KICTANET <https://www.kictanet.or.ke/> is (as on the website) a
>>>> catalyst for reforms. Bwana Mucheru these reforms need to be worked on by
>>>> the both of us. We need you to become a part of the process together with
>>>> all of us. The whole point of having the MoICT and bodies like Kictanet
>>>> (which are catalysts) is the fact that we need to work together. Silos
>>>> don't solve a problem.
>>>>
>>>> Bwana Mucheru, also I may not recollect this list necessarily being
>>>> hostile in the past. And as any of us, you have a right to make your
>>>> comments heard, and also I believe we need to also have a feedback loop
>>>> between all of us. I think through the KICTANET website it is evident
>>>> KICTANET has been doing its job well. If there are ways KICTANET can
>>>> improve, Bwana Mucheru, feel free to raise the suggestions. This country
>>>> belongs to all of us Sir.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, Bwana Mucheru, this list has too many members who are strategic
>>>> to the development of our country. And all of us need to be engaged with
>>>> you. I think it will not do all of us much justice if we see you refrain
>>>> from commenting on it. Lets all work collectively.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Fiona Asonga via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Ali
>>>>
>>>> You were with us at KEPSA Offices when we asked that KICATNET nominate
>>>> representatives to work with us on the ICT Practitioners Bill. Because we
>>>> want to achieve more as an industry we ave continues to work with your
>>>> representatives even on the Vision 2030 MTP III plan and other engagements
>>>> we have had with the ministry of ICT. It is not about KICTANET being a
>>>> member but being a partner and working with TESPOK, DRAKE, KITOS, BAKE,
>>>> ICTAK and any other ICT association.
>>>>
>>>> The document we circulated through KEPSA to the Ministry and parliament
>>>> included KICATNET as part of KEPSA. You may need to reconsider your
>>>> statement to CS Mucheru. Secondly, the KEPSA partnership with KICTANET is
>>>> not compulsory. However, it is in the interest of achieving similar set
>>>> goals for the ICT sector as a whole. KICATNET is free to pull out of it at
>>>> any time just advise KEPSA secretariat on the same.
>>>>
>>>> Together we can achieve more
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From: *"Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke >
>>>> *To: *tespok at tespok.co.ke
>>>> *Cc: *"Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:11:02 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
>>>>
>>>> Dear Bwana CS
>>>>
>>>> KICTANet NEVER asked KEPSA to handle engagements on our behalf. We
>>>> engaged KEPSA to work as a team. Period. Never, did we abdicate our
>>>> responsibilities to KEPSA because we are not KEPSA members. If KEPSA gave
>>>> you that belief then I'm afraid that you were misled. And KEPSA should
>>>> apologise for misleading you.
>>>>
>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>>
>>>> *Principal*
>>>>
>>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>
>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>
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>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
>>>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>>>> organizations that I work with.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ali Hussein,
>>>>
>>>> This is the reason I keep off this list. You are calling me a liar and
>>>> yet your team asked KEPSA to handle the engagements in this matter.
>>>>
>>>> With all respect going forward let's follow the agreed engagements
>>>> between government and private sector.
>>>>
>>>> Ahsante Sana!
>>>>
>>>> JM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Dec 2017 11:17, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bwana CS
>>>>
>>>> With all due respect. You are a senior government official and
>>>> shouldn’t peddle untruths.
>>>>
>>>> KICTANet HAS NEVER BEEN PART OF KEPSA.
>>>>
>>>> We have collaborated only once on the ICT BIll. Most of us don’t
>>>> believe KEPSA is representative of the wider ICT Industry.
>>>>
>>>> We welcome dialogue with your ministry and KEPSA on this. We are happy
>>>> to be included in the conversation. We however CANNOT endorse a dialogue
>>>> and discussions we are not party to.
>>>>
>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>> *Principal*
>>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>>> +254 0713 601113
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>
>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>
>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.c om/in/alihkassim
>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>>>
>>>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but
>>>> a habit."  ~ Aristotle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 9:04 AM, Julius Njiraini via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Digital forensic expert is involved in investigation of fraud, abuse,
>>>> embezzlement, larceny, conversion of any digital device, records and
>>>> process. The report is supposed to be presented in courtroom and testify as
>>>> expert witness.  He is also supposed to corroborate evidence with other
>>>> segment of crime scene using relevant laws including evidence act, criminal
>>>> procedures code and cyber crime laws as best international laws in other
>>>> countries
>>>> On Dec 17, 2017 8:32 AM, "Julius Njiraini" <njiraini2001 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your enlightenment.  Am just concerned about new emerging
>>>> fields like information security and forensics which is mainly concerned
>>>> with digital cyber crime and evidence presentation in courtroom. These is
>>>> especially concerns for computer security and forensics professionals
>>>> On Dec 17, 2017 6:12 AM, "Joseph Mucheru via kictanet" <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The absence of dialogue and relying on media reports is a recipe for
>>>> discord. The current views, sentiments and concerns raised in the group are
>>>> justified only because there is no dialogue. Kicktanet is part of KEPSA
>>>> <https://kepsa.or.ke> who we are in constant dialogue even on this
>>>> topic. Going forward, the need to dialogue through the agreed channels is
>>>> key;
>>>>
>>>> So let me try and give a position on where we are;
>>>>
>>>>    - I did state that we will need a Practitioners Bill and even
>>>>    clarified to media it would not be the current one
>>>>    - There is currently NO Bill in parliament. The last one lapsed and
>>>>    we would need to start afresh
>>>>    - The bill identified a need/gap in our sector that requires some
>>>>    action, especially since ICT is at the heart of the Governments development
>>>>    agenda
>>>>    - The Industry was opposed with the method/solutions proposed by
>>>>    the Bill but not the fact there is a gap
>>>>    - Other Industries have self regulating bodies and if our sector is
>>>>    to grow, we need to get organised and set this up. Why should government
>>>>    have to do it?
>>>>    - We are exporting our skills regionally and internationally and a
>>>>    need to standardise and demonstrate our skills is key. This is because we
>>>>    are not working in isolation, we are competing with other countries and
>>>>    Kenya must be able to demonstrate consistent and quality skills -- today we
>>>>    are blacklisted on various online jobs platforms because of a few bad
>>>>    apples, while we know we have some of the best talents, we are also losing
>>>>    tenders and business because we have not conformed to specific
>>>>    international standards and so the rating of our products/services falls
>>>>    short. (KBS is working on the standards)
>>>>
>>>> And for the accusations...
>>>>
>>>>    - It was a private members bill and not sponsored by Government (We
>>>>    opposed it in its current form - you know that, otherwise google it).
>>>>    - Responding to questions from the sector does not amount to a
>>>>    "roadside decision", considering the level of engagement we have had on
>>>>    this issue
>>>>    - The Government is there to serve the people of Kenya and not just
>>>>    the sector in isolation
>>>>    - Skills Rating systems used by platforms such as Kuhastle.com,
>>>>    upwork.com., cloudfactory.com, monster.com..etc are examples of
>>>>    ways people are able to build and demonstrate skills both technical and
>>>>    otherwise
>>>>    - I have had engagements on this topic with KEPSA (ICT Sector
>>>>    Committee <https://kepsa.or.ke/sector-comittees/>) - Mike Macharia
>>>>    being the Chair
>>>>    - I saw in social media many of you opposed to ICTAK
>>>>    <http://www.ictak.or.ke/> being enjoined in the supreme court
>>>>    presidential petition, but none came out (Kicktanet included) to
>>>>    support/represent the sector, which was at the heart of the dispute. At the
>>>>    very least ICTAK <http://www.ictak.or.ke/> was willing to come
>>>>    forward.
>>>>    - Similar to the Law Society, The Supreme Court should have chosen
>>>>    the ICT experts from the ICT Industry body?
>>>>
>>>> My advice would be for the sector to take the lead and suggest how this
>>>> need/gap of* "SKILLS RATING" standards etc.. *can be addressed. We are
>>>> on the same side. If industry does not take the lead, then Government will
>>>> step in. As it stands, industry has various bodies and you need to agree on
>>>> how to engage amongst yourselves. We are going to be successful and so let
>>>> us push in the same direction.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, today the official engagement between government and the ICT
>>>> sector is through KEPSA <https://kepsa.or.ke/> . (KICTAnet, TESPOK,
>>>> KITOS etc.. are members and even when we engaged on the ICT Practitioners
>>>> bill, the sector was represented by KEPSA, when we met MPs).
>>>>
>>>> The last discussion on Tuesday 14th December 2017 between KEPSA and the
>>>> Ministry covered the following topics;
>>>>
>>>>    1. ICT Policy
>>>>    2. Kick-off Industry meetings
>>>>    3. Bills / Opinions - ICT Practitioners Bill
>>>>    4. PDTP <http://icta.go.ke/digitalent/> + Ajira Digital
>>>>    <http://ajiradigital.go.ke/> (Jobs)
>>>>    5. Flagship Projects
>>>>    6. Constituency Development Hubs
>>>>    <http://www.ict.go.ke/constituency-to-get-an-innovation-hub/>
>>>>    7. ICTA Engagement with Counties
>>>>    8. Enterprise Kenya
>>>>    9. Blockchain
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Andrew Alston via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So – having seen an article in the standardmedia in which elements of
>>>> what I stated below were quoted – and to which there seem to have been
>>>> responses – I now need to comment further:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Article found at: https://www.standardmedia.co.k
>>>> e/business/article/2001263257/ techies-oppose-move-to-introdu
>>>> ce-new-ict-watchdog
>>>> <https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001263257/techies-oppose-move-to-introduce-new-ict-watchdog>
>>>> )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Mucheru, however, denies that the Bill will lock out experts without
>>>> formal training insisting the reverse will be the case. “This Bill will
>>>> benefit the people who have been working in technical capacity for years
>>>> but have not acquired certificates,” he explained. “If they can demonstrate
>>>> their proficiency to the Institute then they can get certified and widen
>>>> the scope of jobs they can bid or apply for.” *
>>>>
>>>> So – I have a question – What will be the method of demonstrating
>>>> proficiency and how will this be tested – and what will it cost – and how
>>>> long will it take.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now – let me break the questions down a bit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. The ICT field is vast – are you going to test proficiency in
>>>>    programming? In networking? In security? In database administration? In
>>>>    desktop support? In Linux? Freebsd? Microsoft? Solaris? AIX? What is the
>>>>    test going to be – and who is going to administer these tests
>>>>    2. What makes an industry body more capable of testing proficiency
>>>>    than Cisco, Juniper, Huawei or any of the other vendors – the bill does *
>>>>    *NOT** cater for industry standard certification outside of formal
>>>>    education – it simply is not in there – and if you are not going to accept
>>>>    these and are going to have this industry body determine proficiency – we
>>>>    need to know how this will be done and how the people testing proficiency
>>>>    will be qualified to do it – and in what fields they are qualified to test
>>>>    proficiency.
>>>>    3. What is the cost of this testing of proficiency – does an
>>>>    individual who has certified as a CCIE at the cost of thousands – and in
>>>>    some cases tens of thousands – of dollars suddenly need to pay more to
>>>>    demonstrate something that he has clearly already demonstrated? Who will it
>>>>    be paid for? How will the money be utilized? Will this be included in the
>>>>    license fee for the first year?  Or will this suddenly cost extra so
>>>>    someone can make some money?
>>>>    4. How does does it take to “demonstrate proficiency” – and if I
>>>>    bring in someone from outside to train my staff in a new field of
>>>>    technology – is he going to be made to sit some kind of exam? Or pay some
>>>>    kind of fee before he can upskill Kenyans? Because – lets be real – that is
>>>>    not going to happen – it will be the death of bringing in people to impart
>>>>    knowledge.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let me be blunt – more than half the authors of the RFC’s within the
>>>> IETF would not qualify under the bill as it stands – this means they would
>>>> have to “demonstrate” their proficiency – despite the fact that they have
>>>> their names on Internet standards – and if people expect these individuals
>>>> to sit exams or prove to people that they know what they are doing –
>>>> despite the knowledge having been clearly demonstrated (which is why they
>>>> are being flown in in the first place, to train Kenyans in skills that are
>>>> not available in the country so that those Kenyans can continue to further
>>>> upskill and lift up the industry) – you can kiss goodbye to having cutting
>>>> edge people coming into this country – it simply won’t happen – and it will
>>>> be Kenya that loses out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then to comment on this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Mucheru adds that the Government has held several engagements with
>>>> practitioners in the sector on the provisions of the Bill. *
>>>>
>>>> Correct – there was massive engagement – and the bill was largely
>>>> defeated after the industry said it was broken – after people on this list
>>>> said it was broken – after it was slammed left right and centre – so yes –
>>>> there was engagement – but the article is wrong about the fact that the
>>>> engagement agreed that this bill in its current form was a good idea or
>>>> represented the correct solution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *“There was consensus that we need to establish a professional body to
>>>> regulate the industry,” he said. *
>>>>
>>>> I have no problem with the concept of a professional body – I have
>>>> major problems with forcing a situation where people who have potentially
>>>> decades of experience have to suddenly “prove” their skills via some
>>>> entirely undefined means at some undefined cost to a bunch of people who
>>>> may or may not have anywhere close to the experience or knowledge of the
>>>> person being tested. If we said that we had a professional body that people
>>>> could register to – and they needed to be registered – and in the event of
>>>> *substantiated* complaints the individual could be deregistered and
>>>> blacklisted – I would have no problem.  It is the arbitrary and
>>>> unsubstantiated and undefined criteria for registration that I take
>>>> exception to – and that I believe could result in expensive legal
>>>> challenges.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please – do not get me wrong – I do not begrudge anyone who has a
>>>> desire to genuinely root out the bad apples and clean up the industry and
>>>> remove scam artists and fraudsters.  I think that is a noble and pure
>>>> objective that should be pursued.  I however dispute the fact that this
>>>> bill is the right way to go about it – and I dispute the fact that
>>>> university degrees have anything to do with competence in this industry –
>>>> particularly with the rate that technology evolves – because an individual
>>>> doing a 3 year degree who is learning specific technologies in his first
>>>> year – by the time he graduates – those technologies are history – and when
>>>> he walks into the industry – he is having to self study it all again
>>>> ANYWAY.  Let me give you examples of technologies that did not exist a year
>>>> ago in any real form:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. Segment routing – the foundation of network routing going
>>>>    forward and the replacement to MPLS – how do I know this – because I’ve had
>>>>    my hands in crafting the specifications and doing a lot of the beta testing
>>>>    for it – so who is going to test proficiency here – it changes the game –
>>>>    and the only people qualified to teach it – or gauge the proficiency in it
>>>>    – do not themselves qualify under this bill to be registered.
>>>>    2. Network telemetry processing – first introduced in limited form
>>>>    in Q3 2015 – and only now becoming main stream – but within a year of it
>>>>    being main stream – it will replace standard network monitoring entirely –
>>>>    who is going to teach that with a university degree?
>>>>    3. Which university degree teaches BGP? BGP-LU? ISIS? Network
>>>>    segmentation? IPv6 addressing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The list is endless – these are things that cannot be learnt through a
>>>> degree – they are learnt through industry standard certification or
>>>> self-skilling by reading documentation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, Mr Mucheru – please – do not read me wrong – I have tremendous
>>>> respect for the regulator in this country – and it is testament to how well
>>>> the Kenyan industry and the regulatory environment here works that today –
>>>> Kenya has higher average mobile broadband speeds than either the US or
>>>> South Africa or a lot of other places.  It is testament to the regulatory
>>>> environment here that we have the high-speed networks we do – and that the
>>>> pricing is as low as it is – because the industry is competitive and open
>>>> and innovative.  This list of things the regulator has gotten right in this
>>>> country is long -  I do however plead with you, the bill as it stands would
>>>> break the industry that all of us – yourself – myself – and so many others
>>>> have worked so hard to build.  I am NOT against a professional body – I am
>>>> NOT against formalizing things – but I beg you – do not walk down the road
>>>> of this current bill in its current form – it will be death to this
>>>> industry in this country.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Alston
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.c om
>>>> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
>>>> *Date: *Monday, 4 December 2017 at 01:24
>>>> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke >
>>>> *Cc: *Liz Wanjiru <lizwanjiru at gmail.com>
>>>> *Subject: *RE: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have to say – personally I cannot think of a worse piece of
>>>> legislation that I have seen in recent history.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let us look at the net effects of this and the problems with it:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. Large companies bring in consultants or external people where
>>>>    necessary to supplement capacity, to train and upskill Kenyan staff etc,
>>>>    while those guys are here, even for a week or two, they are compensated,
>>>>    and my reading of this bill is – this would be illegal – because you’d have
>>>>    to get every consultant you bring in accredited and licensed first – which
>>>>    is impractical in the extreme
>>>>    2. The list of highly skilled people with 20+ years experience who
>>>>    would not qualify for accreditation under this bill is extensive, globally
>>>>    and within Kenya – this bill completely stops any form of knowledge
>>>>    transfer from those individuals and in fact will force a situation where
>>>>    Kenyan’s who wish to learn from some of the biggest names in the industry
>>>>    would be forced to go internationally to get that knowledge, rather than
>>>>    bringing those people in to train locally
>>>>    3. It forces Kenyans who have spent years learning and honing their
>>>>    skills without university qualifications out of work and could well result
>>>>    in large scale job losses looking at the number of highly skilled
>>>>    individuals I know of who are working without qualifications
>>>>    4. It prevents private companies from making what are normal
>>>>    business decisions – who they hire and who they pay.  That is problematic
>>>>    in the extreme – in any normal situation if a private company hires staff
>>>>    that don’t perform – those staff either get fired or the market rejects the
>>>>    company and the company disappears – standard market dynamics – in this
>>>>    case – if a company finds extremely talented people they may be forced into
>>>>    a position where they have to hire less skilled people because someone
>>>>    can’t meet some accreditation requirement.
>>>>    5. The bill has no recognition of prior experience – no recognition
>>>>    of those who have published papers and are world recognized experts – does
>>>>    not specify what the “recognized” universities are – does not take into
>>>>    account industry standard certification (CISSP/CCNA/CCIE/CCDP/JNCIE/JN
>>>>    CIP/JNCIA, the list is endless)
>>>>    6. May well end up in the constitutional court when it deprives a
>>>>    host of people who have spent their lives working in this industry and have
>>>>    no other options for a career of the ability to earn a living
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The bill relies on the belief that a university qualification some how
>>>> makes you better than those without – it’s reasoning that has been
>>>> disproved globally for years and years and years – and it flies in the face
>>>> of the global industry and the way the ICT industry has worked since the
>>>> day it began.  It is damaging to the industry in Kenya – it is damaging to
>>>> the growth prospects of the economy as a result – it is damaging to the
>>>> people of Kenya – and it will destroy the position that Kenya is in as one
>>>> of the leaders of the ICT industry on the continent (Kenya already has the
>>>> highest average broadband speeds on the continent and significantly better
>>>> ICT infrastructure than you will find even in South Africa – it is doing so
>>>> well – why break a system that is proving functional?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I really hope this does not pass – and if it does – will be curious to
>>>> see the court challenges and how they play out – but I think this is
>>>> madness personally – and in the name of stopping a few bad individuals –
>>>> penalizes the entire country and will destroy an industry that employs
>>>> thousands.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andre w.alston
>>>> <kictanet-bounces%2Bandrew.alston>=liquidtelecom.com at lis
>>>> ts.kictanet.or.ke <liquidtelecom.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf
>>>> Of *Liz Wanjiru via kictanet
>>>> *Sent:* 04 December 2017 06:43
>>>> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.c om
>>>> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
>>>> *Cc:* Liz Wanjiru <lizwanjiru at gmail.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While trying to push such laws shouldn't they be looking at
>>>> credentialing people without formal ICT schooling but have the experience,
>>>> knowledge and skills to back them? These people have talent and positively
>>>> contribute in the industry. Some countries have learning institutions
>>>> credentialing professionals based on their body of work and so long as they
>>>> can demonstrate this they are awarded the degrees or other government
>>>> approved certifications. Here is an example of such
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Link
>>>> <http://www.ara.ac.nz/study-options/centre-for-assessment-of-prior-learning-capl>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Liz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how some of the ground breaking technology companies - such as
>>>> for instance Google Kenya, can operate if this bill is passed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Watila Alex via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> EricKigada: Kenya’s controversial ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 to be tabled in parliament again
>>>>
>>>> techmoran.com/kenyas-controv…
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/EricKigada /status/937309893954031616 <https://twitter.com/EricKigada/status/937309893954031616>
>>>>
>>>>
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